Conspiracy Movie - Page 5

This movie was the biggest shitload of crap Ive ever seen. This movie fails on so many levels on its own logic.
To whoever wants to think that 911 was US plan. I have a few questions to be answered.

1: If the EVIL goverment and bush want the people's sopport to attack and control oil wealthy places
why not just get a bunch of brain washed morons and drive planes into buildings? Why the goverment need to carefully and secretly plan tons and tons of explosives in WTO buildings. Why they need to blow up the freaking WTC 7 building?

If there was no plane going into Pentagon. Then what happened to that missing plane?

2:Why the goverment sooo fuckin evil has to stage all this crap when they can just at least throw a freaking plane into pentagon? I mean its harder to plant bombs into pentagon. Then remove all the video tapes and creat a huge fuckin deal about it. When they can just stage a flight going into pentagon?

So on and so on. The arguments are soo fuckin retarded. The goverment is either behind all this or its not. If it is why are they going into such lengthy non-sense methods faking stuff while doing it for them is easier?


These nutheads are there for moonlanding as well. But over there the science is soo strong that within 2 min everyone understand how retarded these people are. It is actually easier to send a 3 people to moon than to do the retarded stuff these people say to fake moon landing.




And to answer the picture question. I dont even know where to begin. Baal do you know how the column should fail if it was a controled demolition? Do you know how it should have failed if there was no controled demolition? Is that picture with firefighters even real? How many columns like that was found in WTC site? How many should have been found if there was/wasnt control explosion? But there is no point in arguing. Cause like I said it sooo fuckin retarded to stage an explosion when they could just hijack planes and ram it into buildings. If one plane wasnt doing it then they could hijack 10 and then ram those.
This is beyond retarded.

And about the tax and finance laws and stuff in the movie they are all fuckin lies. same goes for their religion facts. Their explanation and facts citings is just sooo bad and fake that IMO thats enough to discredit anything that follows in a movie.

BTW are you kidding me? Who said steel doesnt melt in a building fire? Just put a steel in a BBQ and you see that it softens. You put that under a HUGE stress and you get a failure.

But like I said there is no point arguing these minor details. Cause there are MAJOR MAJOR flaws in arguments that need to be addressed before we start on arguing technical details.

On August 13 2008 17:53 capaneo wrote: This movie was the biggest shitload of crap Ive ever seen. This movie fails on so many levels on its own logic. To whoever wants to think that 911 was US plan. I have a few questions to be answered. 1: If the EVIL goverment and bush want the people's sopport to attack and control oil wealthy places why not just get a bunch of brain washed morons and drive planes into buildings? Why the goverment need to carefully and secretly plan tons and tons of explosives in WTO buildings. Why they need to blow up the freaking WTC 7 building? If there was no plane going into Pentagon. Then what happened to that missing plane? 2:Why the goverment sooo fuckin evil has to stage all this crap when they can just at least throw a freaking plane into pentagon? I mean its harder to plant bombs into pentagon. Then remove all the video tapes and creat a huge fuckin deal about it. When they can just stage a flight going into pentagon? So on and so on. The arguments are soo fuckin retarded. The goverment is either behind all this or its not. If it is why are they going into such lengthy non-sense methods faking stuff while doing it for them is easier? These nutheads are there for moonlanding as well. But over there the science is soo strong that within 2 min everyone understand how retarded these people are. It is actually easier to send a 3 people to moon than to do the retarded stuff these people say to fake moon landing. And to answer the picture question. I dont even know where to begin. Baal do you know how the column should fail if it was a controled demolition? Do you know how it should have failed if there was no controled demolition? Is that picture with firefighters even real? How many columns like that was found in WTC site? How many should have been found if there was/wasnt control explosion? But there is no point in arguing. Cause like I said it sooo fuckin retarded to stage an explosion when they could just hijack planes and ram it into buildings. If one plane wasnt doing it then they could hijack 10 and then ram those. This is beyond retarded. And about the tax and finance laws and stuff in the movie they are all fuckin lies. same goes for their religion facts. Their explanation and facts citings is just sooo bad and fake that IMO thats enough to discredit anything that follows in a movie.

Capaneo you are a moron read the thread before asking dumb questions that have been answered before:

1.- Because maniacs driving planes wouldnt bring down twin towers, and a bunch of people dead wont send you to 2 (or more) wars, you need the towers to fall, and that can only be archieved with explosives, and WTC 7 was an exclusively government building (that fell with no fucking plane hitting it lol ooops), that contained CIA, Departament of Defense and IRS offices, you cant picture a reason why some people would like those buildings gone when they carried investigations?.

2.- Because terrorists planting a fucking bomb in the pentagon? lol think about it more than 3 secodns before saying dumb shit... that would be like saying "we are the most incompetent departament of defense ever, terrorists can plant bombs in our fucking noses".

No its not the same than the moonlanding idioticy... if your way to disprove this is to linking it with another lunatics then im done talking with you, there is no correlation whatsoever so drop moonlanding that nobody has said shit about it.


Yes i know how a demolition column looks like, its cut in a degree obviously so it can "slide", the cut looks very precise (like the picture), a column that naturally fails looks torn, usually bent or with extremely rough edges and its never MELTED in the edges, never.


So you are suggesting its easier to literally kidnapp and fly 20 planes into the towers than simply plant explosives? are you an idiot? also letting the towers fall naturally would create an inmeasurable mess probably killing dozens more of deaths and 50% of newyork would be covered in rubble if they just fall sideways.

On August 13 2008 18:19 capaneo wrote: BTW are you kidding me? Who said steel doesnt melt in a building fire? Just put a steel in a BBQ and you see that it softens. You put that under a HUGE stress and you get a failure. But like I said there is no point arguing these minor details. Cause there are MAJOR MAJOR flaws in arguments that need to be addressed before we start on arguing technical details.

OH for fucks sake dont post until you read the thread moron -.-, MELTING.... MELTING steel dumbass... we are not talking about steel failing but about steel MELTING.

You didnt get what I said. Im saying WHY the goverment need to do all these in a very very complex way when they could achive the same goels doing stuff in a MUCH MUCH simpler ways?

Why they need to ram planes into WTC AND plant explosives?

Also another question for you

How many low level people were at this and for how long? From the people who planted the explosives to the people who bought them. and the ones who drove the trucks full of explisives. The guards who were paid to ignore the whole damn thing while at planning stages?

On August 13 2008 19:04 capaneo wrote: You didnt get what I said. Im saying WHY the goverment need to do all these in a very very complex way when they could achive the same goels doing stuff in a MUCH MUCH simpler ways? Why they need to ram planes into WTC AND plant explosives? Also another question for you How many low level people were at this and for how long? From the people who planted the explosives to the people who bought them. and the ones who drove the trucks full of explisives. The guards who were paid to ignore the whole damn thing while at planning stages?

1.- because planes alone wouldnt bring the towers down, and they cant justify how could terrorists plant hundreds or thousands of explosive charges without anybody noticing, the sophistication of a terrorist operation of that complexity is far far far more unlikely than just a few guys kidnapping planes with $1 cutters.

2.- how on earth would i know man, im not bush... you want my uninformed estimate? its really hard to tell becaue we dont know how long it took them to plan all the devices, it could have been a "long" process of setting them on the main columns stealthy and setting the majority at the previous night, or all in 1 night who knows, but you only need a couple of dozen demolition experts in the military and CIA to plant them and execute this.

wow

wtf

there's really a lot of substantiation and citation in this video. really surprising that they actually back up a good % of the claims they make, and support a good % of the interpretations they have. it's not like the be-all/end-all of truth-seeking, but it's very good and completely worth watching

i learned a lot from the banking section at least

reading capaneo's refutations now, thx cap for posting but dunno what you said yet

k after reading thread i'm clearly not as "shocked" and "wowed" as before

but few things

cap i respect your opinions on the 9/11 part and am with you

but can you provide citation or evidence that says the banking citations/quotes and the religious evidences are "just lies"?

gna go back and see if i can research their facts now, but i mean did they really just completely make up all the facts they cited about the formation of the US federal reserve bank...?

also in response to the claim that our education sucks because conspirators want us to be stupid:

cmon, we WANT to be dumber. it's SO much easier to just gobble up entertainment and be too cool for school. that's just the natural submission to vice and laziness, which is why we (americans) are fat too. we are wealthy so we're fat, lazy and stupid because it's easy (and fun) to be fat, lazy and stupid.

On August 13 2008 19:52 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2008 19:04 capaneo wrote: You didnt get what I said. Im saying WHY the goverment need to do all these in a very very complex way when they could achive the same goels doing stuff in a MUCH MUCH simpler ways? Why they need to ram planes into WTC AND plant explosives? Also another question for you How many low level people were at this and for how long? From the people who planted the explosives to the people who bought them. and the ones who drove the trucks full of explisives. The guards who were paid to ignore the whole damn thing while at planning stages? 1.- because planes alone wouldnt bring the towers down, and they cant justify how could terrorists plant hundreds or thousands of explosive charges without anybody noticing, the sophistication of a terrorist operation of that complexity is far far far more unlikely than just a few guys kidnapping planes with $1 cutters. 2.- how on earth would i know man, im not bush... you want my uninformed estimate? its really hard to tell becaue we dont know how long it took them to plan all the devices, it could have been a "long" process of setting them on the main columns stealthy and setting the majority at the previous night, or all in 1 night who knows, but you only need a couple of dozen demolition experts in the military and CIA to plant them and execute this.

DUDE answer the question. You know exactly what Im asking and you know its not that.
Im asking WHY THE GOVERMENT NEEDED TO BRING THE BUILDINGS DOWN TO ACHIVE THEIR GOAL??

Also on 2nd question. It takes way more than a dozen people to set explosives on 220 floors of WTC in secrecy THAT AND the WTC7 building. I hope you understand how naive it sounds to have probably weeks of times ahead and hundreds of people involved to bring down WTC in middle of day and NOBODY ever talked about it.
Or are you about to tell me that a bunch of global billioner bankers walked in WTC with explosives and planted everything?


But please answer the first question.
WHY the goverment needs to bring down the buildings?
I mean lets say hijackers would hit the buildings and 1500 would die insted of 3000. How would that in any way effect bush's goals of world domination?

On August 13 2008 22:07 [vital]Myth wrote: k after reading thread i'm clearly not as "shocked" and "wowed" as before but few things cap i respect your opinions on the 9/11 part and am with you but can you provide citation or evidence that says the banking citations/quotes and the religious evidences are "just lies"? gna go back and see if i can research their facts now, but i mean did they really just completely make up all the facts they cited about the formation of the US federal reserve bank...?

After watching the movie i did some research and i didnt find any matches on some of their claims, like claims of Horus being born from a virgin, or Mythra being bla bla bla, i couldnt find all the matches, however there is a huge resemblance in all the world's deities.

Also a couple of innacurancies like saying HORUS is the god of Sun, and he isnt, the egyptian god of the sun is Ra (amun-ra).

However imo its the least important part of the movie, its interesting in the way of all the matches but where is the importance in proving a random carpenter existed or not 2,000 years ago there is no possible way to prove it or to disprove it, but why even bother, its not relevant unless you are a catholic, and if you are a catholic that probably wont make u stop believe anyway.

I also researched about the banking institution and i couldnt find a single inaccurancy, and the most scary of all is that before watching the movie i knew about IG Farben and American Oil Standard because my dad is like the sickest WW2 encyclopedia so i know a lot of it, i also verified that scary quote from Woodrow wilson admitting that he sold the country to a few dominant men.

so it looks like the only important thing to learn from this movie (which appears to be true) is that the Fed is a completely unconstitutional entity and all the US money is controlled by a single private corporation

still that's a really major fact

On August 13 2008 22:11 [vital]Myth wrote: also in response to the claim that our education sucks because conspirators want us to be stupid: cmon, we WANT to be dumber. it's SO much easier to just gobble up entertainment and be too cool for school. that's just the natural submission to vice and laziness, which is why we (americans) are fat too. we are wealthy so we're fat, lazy and stupid because it's easy (and fun) to be fat, lazy and stupid.

But why countries like Norway, Sweden etc dont follow this pattern? people are richier than america but they have superb educational systems and the media is not a circus like its in america.

Dont get me wrong i dont swallow it completely, i think its also very likely it sucks because it just simply sucks and its not a machiavelic manipulation, but i think its necessary to question these things and well actually question everything.


There is one quote i love from one of those movies that says something like: Since the beggining of time, history has taught us that our leaders, Kings, Emperors, senates and all of them have taken advantage of the people to pursue their own goals, they have declared countless wars and they have mankind has shedded seas of blood because of these few in power, yet we stand today thinking that for any reason our current leaders are different, that we and only we are the exeption of thousands years of history, and this kind of obediant sheep behavior is only going to lead us to repeat history once again.

On the banking facts.
That thing about income tax in unconstitutional is a lie.
Also incoming tax is not a very mysterious way. Its all over the whole world. So I dont know how that makes the US goverment Evil. Or these global bankers are working all over the world?


And on FEDs. We all know it is created after the great depression because of the panic. I read the story of banking in US. And trust me before the FEDs it was a total chaos. And I feel much safter with FEDs than without feds.


Also quoting charles lindbergh on banking??!!!! give me a break. He was the first guy who crossed Atlantic and got famous. Ok his dad was congressman. But I dont know why someone would refer to him for banking system in US.
edit: OK I did a littel research and it looks like they are actually talking about his dad not himself. Which again tells you how stupid this movie is. Its like I quote geroge bush in some way and then I refrence this guy George Bush


I dont know. If america is soo Evil and if the system there is so corrupt and it sucks so much. Why US is the most powerfull country in the world? Why average people here live such a great life? Why everyone here can say/do anything they want without being afraid of THE POWERFULL EVIL GOVERMENT.

If education system in US is so bad why out of 777 nobel prize 300 was given to americans? Why about everything you see was invented in America?

Why this movie calling FDR a traitor and then it is quoting JFK on how we should live our lives??!!!!!


Why in this HUGE HUGE theories of conspiracy and anti american people movments there is no words of well known alive people like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet?



@Myth there is ZERO source in this movie. In the real world when you say something (like the origin of Jesus and Horus or the stars) You cite the source with page number and exact details and words.

I can go on and on and I bet money that I can investigate and debunk about everything they say in this movie.

On August 12 2008 04:41 Baal wrote: in case you missed it

Here in case you are wondering how that cut was created.
This photo was taken during the clean up of the site.

As a matter of fact I did a little research and IF columns were cut using thermite they wouldn't look like a clean at all. The edges would be rounded and molten. Not a clean cut like this. But like I said these very minor details are insignificant. Im just very intrested in you answeing a bunch of my very core questions of WHY the goverment has to do all these?
WHY they need a fat/darker/bigger nose Binladen in their videos? Cant they just get a better model? Or isnt binladen family having lunch in the morning with them? couldn't they just ask him to do this one video like the other many videos he has done? No the goverment had to go to a fat/dark man with a bigger nose for this one video!

cap dont bother man, unless this is just entertainment to you like it is to me

logic defies certain people

On August 13 2008 23:09 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2008 22:07 [vital]Myth wrote: k after reading thread i'm clearly not as "shocked" and "wowed" as before but few things cap i respect your opinions on the 9/11 part and am with you but can you provide citation or evidence that says the banking citations/quotes and the religious evidences are "just lies"? gna go back and see if i can research their facts now, but i mean did they really just completely make up all the facts they cited about the formation of the US federal reserve bank...? After watching the movie i did some research and i didnt find any matches on some of their claims, like claims of Horus being born from a virgin, or Mythra being bla bla bla, i couldnt find all the matches, however there is a huge resemblance in all the world's deities. Also a couple of innacurancies like saying HORUS is the god of Sun, and he isnt, the egyptian god of the sun is Ra (amun-ra). However imo its the least important part of the movie, its interesting in the way of all the matches but where is the importance in proving a random carpenter existed or not 2,000 years ago there is no possible way to prove it or to disprove it, but why even bother, its not relevant unless you are a catholic, and if you are a catholic that probably wont make u stop believe anyway. I also researched about the banking institution and i couldnt find a single inaccurancy, and the most scary of all is that before watching the movie i knew about IG Farben and American Oil Standard because my dad is like the sickest WW2 encyclopedia so i know a lot of it, i also verified that scary quote from Woodrow wilson admitting that he sold the country to a few dominant men.

What you didnt find out is that Woodrow said those stuff in 1912! source Feds act was signed DEC 1913. So right there you should just get a copy of the movie and throw it down the toilet.

Also on American Oil and IGfarben. When there is war there is STILL trade going on. So who cares if they were selling stuff to germany?

Also on Vietnam war part. Are you telling me Rockfeller owned factories in COMUNIST soviet union in the middle of the cold war?? If thats not enough it came as a bonus that they happen to be weapons and military equipment factories?? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!

The lies in this movie is just sooo clear that people fail to see it.

On August 13 2008 23:25 capaneo wrote: On the banking facts. That thing about income tax in unconstitutional is a lie. Also incoming tax is not a very mysterious way. Its all over the whole world. So I dont know how that makes the US goverment Evil. Or these global bankers are working all over the world? And on FEDs. We all know it is created after the great depression because of the panic. I read the story of banking in US. And trust me before the FEDs it was a total chaos. And I feel much safter with FEDs than without feds. Also quoting charles lindbergh on banking??!!!! give me a break. He was the first guy who crossed Atlantic and got famous. Ok his dad was congressman. But I dont know why someone would refer to him for banking system in US. I dont know. If america is soo Evil and if the system there is so corrupt and it sucks so much. Why US is the most powerfull country in the world? Why average people here live such a great life? Why everyone here can say/do anything they want without being afraid of THE POWERFULL EVIL GOVERMENT. If education system in US is so bad why out of 777 nobel prize 300 was given to americans? Why about everything you see was invented in America? Why this movie calling FDR a traitor and then it is quoting JFK on how we should live our lives??!!!!! Why in this HUGE HUGE theories of conspiracy and anti american people movments there is no words of well known alive people like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet? @Myth there is ZERO source in this movie. In the real world when you say something (like the origin of Jesus and Horus or the stars) You cite the source with page number and exact details and words. I can go on and on and I bet money that I can investigate and debunk about everything they say in this movie.

Again, you are a retard capaneo, i will answer your questions in numbers cuz i think the bitchslapping is more organized that way.

1.- Yes dumbass, central Banks are spread all over the world do you think USA is the only country working under a central bank model?, they even mention how the ENGLISH central bank wanted to establish one in the united states implying england works the same way.

2.- LOL so you think because USA is powerful therefore its leader must be honest? i dont see the correlation at all.... So you believe honesty and rectitude generates POWER? god u have as much clue about how the world works as floofy.

Oh and you think because you can diss the goverment you have freedom of speech?... you believe you are the exeption or something?, here in Mexico a country FAR more corrupt and shittier we can say whatever we want about our goverment, we actually do and they mock the president on daily basis like in USA and it doesnt make us any less corrupt.

3.- Because american basica educational system suck, nobody is saying that the MIT, Harvard or Yale are trying to keep people dumb... and you dont win nobel prizes by going to primary schools, you dont give a fuck about a handful of intelectuals, you care about the ignorance of the masses.

Also you are implying you believe that the US educational system doesnt suck compared to the rest of the world.... so do you want me to quote numbers in several test scores here so i can bitch slap u harder?, US educational system is falling behind the rest of the world very quickly and its not even at the top of the list.

This movie doesnt adress Bill Gates or Buffet but others do, and to be honest i saw outrageous claims about their philantrophy, but to be honest even if those claims are true it doesnt matter because they wouldnt even big big gears in this machinery, do you really think David Rockefeller gives a flying fuck about Gate's fortue? its pocket change, these people dont give a shit about money, they have all the money in the world, its all about power.

I know I've said this before but I'm almost convinced Baal is like the most elaborate troll ever.