100NL FR AA on paired board

This is against your normal 13/10 FR TAG. What would you do?
Submitted by : veryGUd

POKERSTARS GAME #19417625085: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/06 - 20:59:02 (ET)
Table 'Aksnes II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: pokermon57 ($72.30 in chips)
Seat 2: SexiJen ($135.10 in chips)
Seat 3: verygud ($108.45 in chips)
Seat 4: yukonhd ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: GrauZ1 ($45 in chips)
Seat 6: FEASTDAY ($50.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Basadoni ($99.50 in chips)
Seat 9: olmanriv ($69.15 in chips)
pokermon57: posts small blind $0.50
SexiJen: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to verygud
verygud : raises $3 to $4
yukonhd: folds
GrauZ1: folds
smoky344 joins the table at seat #8
FEASTDAY: folds
Basadoni: folds
olmanriv: folds
pokermon57: folds
SexiJen: calls $3

Flop (Pot : $8.50)

   
SexiJen: bets $7
verygud : raises $15.50 to $22.50
SexiJen: raises $108.60 to $131.10 and is all-in

pretty ez fold

On August 06 2008 18:49 Yugless wrote: pretty ez snap call

i call too, looks like QQ/KK from him.

ok thats what i thought too

he ended up having 33 jsut want to make sure this was a call

fk, shouldve listened to my wife.

i also dont like the flop reraise since he NEVER has a draw, his range is 100% pairs

On August 06 2008 18:49 Yugless wrote: pretty ez fold

Listen to fullring regs pls.. People advising you to call this shove play 6max.

=( id have called the shove too simply coz he either has 33 or KK/QQ (55 also possible but super unlikely).

i like toms comment on how flop is a flat tho

this is definitely a fold. sexijen rarely ever gets out of line.

Fold. KK and QQ 3bet PF. Unless you think he can out of line like that with small PPs like 66-99, he has you beat here.

lol @ calling people "TAGs" when they're nits

also i'd either fold or flat the flop

seriously people are SOOOOOOOOO fucking transparent, if you make a really ez laydown in a small pot w AA and you laugh at your opponent for playing so face-up, that's a GOOD thing. if you spew just because you don't want to feel weak, that's a HORRIBLE thing

most people do the latter -.-

On August 07 2008 03:19 [vital]Myth wrote: if you spew just because you don't want to feel weak, that's a MONSTER thing most people do the latter -.-

this is good advice I appreciate it
I am still learning when it comes to not spewing in these situations

holy fuck...you guys fold?
and i thought i was a nit

On August 07 2008 03:08 phexac wrote: Fold. KK and QQ 3bet PF. Unless you think he can out of line like that with small PPs like 66-99, he has you beat here.

disagree that QQ is a 3bet here in FR vs a not too loose opponent(tighter as 16/13). utg range here is prolly 88-aa+AK+AQs which leaves you in quite gay postflop spots vs a competent opponent

well maybe this particular guy, if hes a reg that never bluffs or does trappy stuff then u can fold, but its hard to when theres like one hand he can have -_-

its a pretty important part of this hand, the fact that its UTG vs SB which is basically the two extremes of FR, one is extremely OOP preflop and flop and SB is always OOP postflop so sometimes regs will flat call from the SB here so there hand isnt turned into a bluff etc etc.

against a stock standard reg i would lean towards a call because i've seen QQ-AA played like this many a time, enough to justify calling.

and i hate folding when only one hand beats u but nothing else makes too much sense lol eg + Show Spoiler +

On August 06 2008 22:37 TalentedTom wrote: i also dont like the flop reraise since he NEVER has a draw, his range is 100% pairs

i dont mind it, we dont want a diamond scaring him off later. id rather get max value now with the best pair. anyway this guy must be the nittiest and most faceup players of all time if this is a slamdunk fold --;

On August 07 2008 10:37 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On August 06 2008 22:37 TalentedTom wrote: i also dont like the flop reraise since he NEVER has a draw, his range is 100% pairs i dont mind it, we dont want a diamond scaring him off later. id rather get max value now with the best pair. anyway this guy must be the nittiest and most faceup players of all time if this is a slamdunk fold --;

most people are slamdunk fold at fr at these stakes with those stats

On August 07 2008 10:37 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On August 06 2008 22:37 TalentedTom wrote: i also dont like the flop reraise since he NEVER has a draw, his range is 100% pairs i dont mind it, we dont want a diamond scaring him off later. id rather get max value now with the best pair. anyway this guy must be the nittiest and most faceup players of all time if this is a slamdunk fold --;

right im not saying i fold at any point - it just seriously pains me to see people with 13vpip winning all in pots

Raise flop is good. now call. relying heavily on your opponet's preflop stats won't make you improve as a player. I don't use hud at all and still beat fr for 6-8pt/bb.Just because he's a 13/10 nit doesn't mean he holds 33 100% of the time. what you should consider is how your opponet views of you or if hes even the type of player that thinks to that level. Does he think you would raise hand such as AK to his donk bet? and shit like that. he could very well be playing over pairs like this. this one is a clear snap.

Listen to AndrewSong.

i dont understand why this is a snapcall?
at 100NL, nits/regs would check/call with JJ or QQ vs an UTG raiser, not donkbet and shove over a raise.
if he had KK he would most likely 3bet preflop since he's OOP in the BB.
he's def not doing this with 66-TT either.

On August 07 2008 23:47 Exhilarate wrote: i dont understand why this is a snapcall? at 100NL, nits/regs would check/call with JJ or QQ vs an UTG raiser, not donkbet and shove over a raise. if he had KK he would most likely 3bet preflop since he's OOP in the BB. he's def not doing this with 66-TT either.

Theres all kinds of regs. Theres solid regs who even 3bet vs UTG raise with very light range or real nits who flats with JJ-KK here. What we know from this hand is that he flatted preflop when theres no callers. So without preflop stats we already know that he's not flatting with hand like 56. If this hand was 4way or deepstacked we can argue a fold. sure, you won't ever be against a draw but his range of hands he could do this with is not just 33. donk bet does not mean more then a check raise here. I actually would like check raise from him since it can give room for aggressive regular to shove over the top with complete air.

On August 06 2008 20:21 n0rthf4ce wrote: fk, shouldve listened to my wife.

good idea if u want to make sexy time later that night.

well played if you called.

snapfuckingcall
seriously 360 that shit
oh baby

Call because he can have queens.

I would 100% call here unless he has like 85% won @ showdown r something silly over a big sample. Seeing that it's not considered terrible to fold here makes me glad i play 6 max...

Suici

i cant fucking believe anybody who said fold. that is so incrediubly exploitable, if u fld aa on this board, then youre folding 100% of your range. i should write down the sns of everybody who said fold, and then take this line with 100% of my range and own u

On August 22 2008 17:46 rossi094 wrote: i cant fucking believe anybody who said fold. that is so incrediubly exploitable, if u fld aa on this board, then youre folding 100% of your range. i should write down the sns of everybody who said fold, and then take this line with 100% of my range and own u

lolllllllllllllll yeah tons of people are gonna see you fold here and then go "oh fuck, now i can own this guy every single time"

because they knew you had AA when you folded so wow you just opened the door to get yourself fucked

are you insane, nobody knows what the fuck you folded and nobody decides to just raise you every time on this board trying to figure out whether you fold 100% of your range either.

you aren't going to exploit shit against anybody and neither is anybody else, don't be an idiot

this is myth trying to sound like rekrul btw

actually this is just myth knowing that rekrul would be 100% correct if he posted that

funniest shit when nits think they can/will play like monsters to "exploit" you when you advise them to make very simple nit plays vs other nits

because it just isn't true

oh it's really myth considering he posted 3 times in a row.

On August 22 2008 18:08 Rekrul wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2008 17:46 rossi094 wrote: i cant fucking believe anybody who said fold. that is so incrediubly exploitable, if u fld aa on this board, then youre folding 100% of your range. i should write down the sns of everybody who said fold, and then take this line with 100% of my range and own u lolllllllllllllll yeah tons of people are gonna see you fold here and then go "oh fuck, now i can own this guy every single time" because they knew you had AA when you folded so wow you just opened the door to get yourself fucked are you insane, nobody knows what the fuck you folded and nobody decides to just raise you every time on this board trying to figure out whether you fold 100% of your range either. you aren't going to exploit shit against anybody and neither is anybody else, don't be an idiot this is myth trying to sound like rekrul btw

whatever, fodlding aa hre is bad, here are so feww hands that are ahead of aa here and its ust wayy mor elikely hes taking this line with a medium pair, some kind of flush draw, etc etc., folding here is bad thtas my main point. poop on you

even if folding here is bad, thinking like that is far worse

and getting taken to valuetown with your AA because you think like that is the path to being stuck at 1/2 and 2/4 forever

you just have to know your players.

also anyone who thinks this player ever shows up with QQ here is insane.

i think without a good read we should be putting QQ in his range though

looking back, in the absence of a read i think this is really good as long as you are happily calling the shove and putting him on JJ-KK usually

but if you have some kinda super sick nit read then yeah flat and fold later to more big bets i guess