[NL400] QQ vs UTG 3 barrels

Submitted by : lachlan

POKERSTARS GAME #19373979476: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2008/08/05 - 05:33:22 (ET)
Table 'Laomedon II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: tddykgb8 ($204.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Your Arsenal ($66.55 in chips)
Seat 3: YAOMINGMING ($394.25 in chips)
Seat 4: WCG|Rider ($412 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($417.90 in chips)
Seat 6: ArmthHomeles ($717.85 in chips)
Seat 7: Marccus85 ($502.85 in chips)
Seat 8: kimosan ($1352 in chips)
Seat 9: cc0695 ($213.60 in chips)
tddykgb8: posts small blind $2
Your Arsenal: posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
YAOMINGMING: folds
WCG|Rider: raises $12 to $16
Hero : calls $16
ArmthHomeles: folds
Marccus85: folds
kimosan: folds
cc0695: folds
tddykgb8: folds
Your Arsenal: folds

Flop (Pot : $38.00)

   
WCG|Rider: bets $28
Hero : calls $28

Turn (Pot : $94.00)

   
WCG|Rider: bets $76
Hero : calls $76

River (Pot : $246.00)

   
ArmthHomeles is disconnected
WCG|Rider: bets $162
Hero :

You're underrepped like crazy and if this is a fold he has to be really, really bad.

I might even shove on riv. You can avoid any doubtful feelings by repopping him w/ QQ pf to 46

not sure he would value bet you with worse than QQ here on the river, your hand looks a lot like 99-JJ but its not that under repped imo

On August 05 2008 06:35 eightfourO wrote: I might even shove on riv. You can avoid any doubtful feelings by repopping him w/ QQ pf to 46

uhh reraising preflop is pretty bad

I dont want to live a world where this is a fold

this world is what we call FR. I personally believe hes bluffing this river. I think he would c/c with a big overpair on the river since the FD missed.

I know this is full ring but I refuse to believe that villian isnt bluffing/valuebetting a worse hand here 30% of the time. 99/TT/JJ/A8/86 airball? Wat

On Augosto 05 2008 06:38 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2008 06:35 eightfourO wrote: I might even shove on riv. You can avoid any doubtful feelings by repopping him w/ QQ pf to 46 uhh reraising preflop is pretty bad

why? (not being a smartass i'm curious to learn)

well, if u 3bet QQ here you're gonna mostly fold out the weaker hands u want him to stay in with & make mistakes with postflop vs your disguised QQ and let him continue with hands that mostly dominate yours

u are also pot controlling pf incase he does have a monster hand, you have more room/bets postflop to figure out whats going on..

idk i dont play full ring but generally i think people standardly flat here

folding is bad and shoving is much worse (unless you want to bluff out AA/KK). this is a slamdunk call IMO.

On August 05 2008 08:45 ggplz wrote: well, if u 3bet QQ here you're gonna mostly fold out the weaker hands u want him to stay in with & make mistakes with postflop vs your disguised QQ and let him continue with hands that mostly dominate yours u are also pot controlling pf incase he does have a monster hand, you have more room/bets postflop to figure out whats going on.. idk i dont play full ring but generally i think people standardly flat here

also raising post flop this early turns your hand face up to the entire table, and the downsides of that are fairly obvious in so many ways.

I probably raise the flop here, but as played you gotta call because if you fold QQ here you fold pretty much everything and get owned.

looks good. now call

haha i like bob's analysis not only you turn your hand face up to villain it's to the ENTIRE TABLE ZOMGZ.

Yea 3 betting pf in this spot is terribad unless you're in the right game and in that case you have to be banking pretty hard.

i'd shove

not sure how WCG|Rider plays full ring - but 6-max he overplays a lot of hands - im preey sure he calls a shove with 100% of his value range

eh, i suppose without history this is a call however, nothing else

I also assume if hes turning something like 77, 78s, 56s, 55 etc.. into a bluff he will call a shove due to the fact that hes a station / your repping an insanley thin range (a range he expects you to reraise on earlier streets)

Snap call

id just call wuthout any stats

On August 05 2008 07:52 SakiSaki wrote: I know this is full ring but I refuse to believe that villian isnt bluffing/valuebetting a worse hand here 30% of the time. 99/TT/JJ/A8/86 airball? Wat

valuebetting a worst hand here happens close to never

On August 05 2008 08:50 n0rthf4ce wrote: folding is bad and shoving is much worse (unless you want to bluff out AA/KK). this is a slamdunk call IMO.

folding is worse than shoving imo but still this is a call

On August 05 2008 18:45 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2008 08:50 n0rthf4ce wrote: folding is bad and shoving is much worse (unless you want to bluff out AA/KK). this is a slamdunk call IMO. folding is worse than shoving imo but still this is a call

vs a competent FR reg i fold here sometimes and against that same reg i shove as a bluff sometimes (but less!). against this specific villain from what I've heard about him it seems shoving for value isn't half as bad as id originally thought.

i could see shoving for value being ok, i would still just call though

Snap river.
3betting pf is also fine depending on villain's opening range. A lot of FR regs open any pair EP and if that's the case I always 3bet here

On August 05 2008 15:01 JYang wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2008 07:52 SakiSaki wrote: I know this is full ring but I refuse to believe that villian isnt bluffing/valuebetting a worse hand here 30% of the time. 99/TT/JJ/A8/86 airball? Wat valuebetting a worst hand here happens close to never

yeah dude seriously, FR players almost never put 3 bets in postflop against a reg even with AA on a board like this