Fold all butAA/KK UTG to 3bet at NL100/NL200

OK before you call me a nit and dismiss this post, I am talking about a rather specific situation. Imagine this. NL100/200 you raise QQ or JJ UTG and are 3bet by 19/16 player with 4-5% 3bet of all the pots he enters. He has position.

Now, in my experience, this player almost never to never has anything but AA/KK/QQ/AK. Sometimes QQ and AK actually call UTG raises. Against such range, QQ and JJ simply cannot be played profitably.

Well what if they pick up on that and start 3betting u more? Well that will become pretty obvious because then they'll actually 3bet you more than once in a blue moon. And you can adjust accordingly. But against your typical player who just plays his cards and respects UTG raises, I just cannot recall a single time when they did not have AA/KK.

So what do you guys think about this super-nit concept? Or have I just gotten too many setups and shud shut it and play QQ for stacks every time?

EDIT: This is 6-max. FR situation is completely different.

On July 24 2008 21:30 phexac wrote: OK before you call me a nit and dismiss this post... So what do you guys think about this super-nit concept?

errrr...

i dont think playing for stacks w QQ/JJ is usually profitable in most FR games @ those limits unless its against the right opponent, so utg lessens the likelihood u should be doing this.

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On July 24 2008 21:33 shaneomac wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2008 21:30 phexac wrote: OK before you call me a nit and dismiss this post... So what do you guys think about this super-nit concept? errrr... i dont think playing for stacks w QQ/JJ is usually profitable in most FR games @ those limits unless its against the right opponent, so utg lessens the likelihood u should be doing this.

I am talking 6-max. Should have clarified.

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uh my UTG raises get reraise by trash and mid strength hands all the time, i'm not folding queens unless it's against like.. alphablend but he doesn't play 400 NL

On July 24 2008 21:49 Loco wrote: uh my UTG raises get reraise by trash and mid strength hands all the time, i'm not folding queens unless it's against like.. alphablend but he doesn't play 400 NL

You did notice I was very specific about stakes in question, right? Obviously at NL400 and NL600 where people are a lot more aggressive, the situation changes.

On July 24 2008 21:49 Loco wrote: uh my UTG raises get reraise by trash and mid strength hands all the time, i'm not folding queens unless it's against like.. alphablend but he plays freerolls

fyq

On July 24 2008 21:52 phexac wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2008 21:49 Loco wrote: uh my UTG raises get reraise by trash and mid strength hands all the time, i'm not folding queens unless it's against like.. alphablend but he doesn't play 400 NL You did notice I was very specific about stakes in question, right? Obviously at NL400 and NL600 where people are a lot more aggressive, the situation changes.

ya I know I just wanted to laugh at alphablend

On July 24 2008 22:07 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2008 21:52 phexac wrote:   On July 24 2008 21:49 Loco wrote: uh my UTG raises get reraise by trash and mid strength hands all the time, i'm not folding queens unless it's against like.. alphablend but he doesn't play 400 NL You did notice I was very specific about stakes in question, right? Obviously at NL400 and NL600 where people are a lot more aggressive, the situation changes. ya I know I just wanted to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

On July 24 2008 22:07 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2008 21:52 phexac wrote:   On July 24 2008 21:49 Loco wrote: uh my UTG raises get reraise by trash and mid strength hands all the time, i'm not folding queens unless it's against like.. alphablend but he doesn't play 400 NL You did notice I was very specific about stakes in question, right? Obviously at NL400 and NL600 where people are a lot more aggressive, the situation changes. ya I know I just wanted to laugh at alphablend

heh

Poker is about adjusting to ranges/frequencies/opponents/flow. Fold QQ sometimes sure. Call QQ sometimes for set value or to outplay them OOP postflop. Shove QQ sometimes and get called by worse. It's good to formulate rules against a random though, and vs a standard random at any stake I will never fold QQ to a reraise.

that n0rthf4ce guy is so kind.

These are my top 6 hands that i've lost the most money on. Fuck anything with a Q in it.

who the hell is that tight in 6max

nobody

but in theory if they are that tight then yeah sure

also yeah qft @ peachy

i thought this was FR for sure, and even at FR i will at least call a reraise with AK and 88+

im sure this thread will populate with people who think its super-awesome-fun to put yourself in marginal spots alot, but playing ssnl is all about maximizing profit and you do whatever you need to do which obviously includes constantly adjusting to each table

playing qq and ak for stacks every time will lose you money

On July 25 2008 01:07 SKoT wrote: im sure this thread will populate with people who think its super-awesome-fun to put yourself in marginal spots alot, but playing ssnl is all about maximizing profit and you do whatever you need to do which obviously includes constantly adjusting to each table playing qq and ak for stacks every time will lose you money

this, but 24tablers will intepret it as fold qq to 3bets everytime

Lulz 4%+ 3-bet range already includes a lot more than AA/KK/AK/QQ or w/e. But I'm sure someone already said that.

Its not the same range against an utg tag open muh, just the overall %. Anyway OP has a point, but even against a ridic tight 3b range like KK+ and AK you have 40% equity w QQ.

On July 24 2008 23:37 [vital]Myth wrote: who the hell is that tight in 6max nobody but in theory if they are that tight then yeah sure also yeah qft @ peachy

this is the 2nd time you're talking about nits when I think someone says something reasonable and I play 28/23 or something of that nature. HOW LAGGY ARE YOU!?

If they have ONLY AA/KK, can't we setmine? I forgot the math here, but if we are really really sure they never have AK, QQ, JJ etc I think it was possible to do so..

I guess you should use the 5-10 rule, and if YOU KNOW that he will just 3bet AA/KK, I would call the 3bet a little bigger than 10% of the stack

because if you hit you'll probably stack him off

As muhweli said QQ/KK/AKs/AKo/AA is only 2.6% of all hands so unless u just have a small sample size and theyve been running hot pf 4% pf 3bet is wider than the mentioned range.

blasphemy !!!!!!

On July 25 2008 17:09 tae-g wrote: As muhweli said QQ/KK/AKs/AKo/AA is only 2.6% of all hands so unless u just have a small sample size and theyve been running hot pf 4% pf 3bet is wider than the mentioned range.

Someone with 4% 3betting range 3bets quite a bit less than that vs UTG raisers. That 4% includes when they are in blinds and OTB vs LP opens.

the peach man knows his stuff

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confidence interval
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4-5% > AAKKQQAKQAKAKQKQKKAKQKA

just widen limping range when utg imo. cant just keep folding qq to a random 3bet esp a reg

On July 26 2008 12:28 whamm! wrote: just widen limping range when utg imo. cant just keep folding qq to a random 3bet esp a reg

Can't remember the last time I limped UTG in 6-max.

On July 25 2008 01:49 Muhweli wrote: Lulz 4%+ 3-bet range already includes a lot more than AA/KK/AK/QQ or w/e. But I'm sure someone already said that.

obv.. 4% from every pos but assuming that number goes way down when 3betting an UTG open