200nl jj vs donkbet? - Page 2

The reason I would advocate raising here is because there are so many cards I really do not want to see. Of course, mathematically, there is no difference between calling a bet and making it yourself and having it called, so if you are behind then you are paying $18 to see flop in a $13 pot, but the board is still kinda shitty to not be taking control of the pot. What's your take on that, myth?

what?

don't really get what you're saying. it's useless to protect your hand when you're never getting value from worse and always forcing out bluffs that will likely follow-up

i had already bet 18 into 13. wtf is the point of raising, so he can fold to a shove after spewing $50, or so he can call a shove and spew $200? all for the thin hope of winning $31 -.-a

if he just calls, he's either

- going to win the 31 anyway, plus possibly more, or
- going to lose just 18

so unless he thinks i am a pretty outrageous spewtard who is gonna overbet flop then get it in bad against his JJ, he definitely can't raise

-.-a???

See thats why you > me. Because my first thought here is a significant reraise on the flop, you know, "to see where im at". Once you shove over me, I'm probably thinking "mother fucker has J9/set/flush draw". And then the prideful fish in me makes me call anyway, and feel proud that I beat a bluff, yet knowing secretly everyone will now target me.

So even though he had you beat, the right thing for him to do here was either call down 3 streets, or just take the safe route and fold?

You cant call 3 barrels so easy. What if a scary card comes (most of the deck)?
and he cant easily have j9, becouse OP has 2 blockers. His range is anything reasonable (no air), probabbly all thoose hands he's not folding to a raise (combo draws, sets)
I think the only options are fold to donkb or raise, and the answer can be found making some calculations with estimated ranges

raising a lead overbet here is just terrible unless you are 100% comfortable getting it in on the flop

i mean minraising as a total bluff might be fine but raising with JJ is not

call flop call turn raise river.

Kind of interesting, I found myself in myth's situation a couple of days ago, before reading this thread. Im SB with AKo, but elect to reraise the cutoff. Flop comes 9910, I lead the flop with air, and he reraises. I shove and he calls. He had 77. Now he was getting like 3:1 to call by this point, so maybe that explains it, and the pot was larger due to my initial raise rather than calling preflop. Otherwise seems like a somewhat similar situation. Bad play on his part? Or bad on mine?

On July 20 2008 20:19 [vital]Myth wrote: i was recording for a video

where can i get this video

On July 20 2008 17:39 TalentedTom wrote: this is obviously based on nothing however, you provide no info no history, who the hell knows what to do

THANK YOU

I usually dont give front betting much credit unless a tricky player is doing it. Meaning, i would call down 3 streets here vs most people. Vs Myth I dont know what to do, I think most good / tricky players sees this flop as a good flop to check-raise sets on, representing a draw. Figures JJ is probably good or flipping IMO. I would probably reraise and call a shove.

oh baby

[vital]Myth doesn't donkbet,he leads