HU - fighting the miniraise - Page 3

On July 17 2008 16:04 LandisReed wrote: i can't tell if rekrul is being sarcastic or not lol. love that guy

He is not, but im not even a HU specialist so i wouldnt pay that much for that info, and even if i were i wouldnt it only because i find the whole concept of selling advice that way to be appalling so no thx

selling advice is same as coaching, lol

isn't 3 betting a lot bad unless the guy you are playing is very bad?

All you are doing is building pots oop for him..

ignore the minraise it means nothing

pretend you're playing with an inverted button but take advantage of the fact that he can't raise his button if you limp

ignore the fact that he has the "betting lead" because he doesn't

proceed appropriately

On July 17 2008 16:35 BigRed0000 wrote: isn't 3 betting a lot bad unless the guy you are playing is very bad? All you are doing is building pots oop for him..

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On July 16 2008 18:11 SakiSaki wrote: I played this reg on tilt today who was 3-betting me like a madman so I started minraising preflop. He kept 3-betting me like every other hand and made some really huge 3-bets from time to time despreate to build a pot big enough to get him unstuck and thats like the worst possible thing you can do. Its a very retarded "counter" which is super ez and profitable to play against.

the advantage to the minraiser is that he gets to build pots in position... and since he is minraising 100% of the time, he can still play optimally to your 3bets (that is, you cannot exploit his strategy [except for the fact that you can limp in without fear, although this exploitation is minimal]).

i think the best way to learn to defend against this style is to try it out for yourself. ^^

wow very nice post myth(inverted button)

you hit the correct stategy 100% there

On July 17 2008 16:04 LandisReed wrote: i can't tell if rekrul is being sarcastic or not lol. love that guy

it's ez just read one sentence below where he sais he's not joking

Actually I like Myth's advice the best. When you break it down, the minraise HU isnt actually representative of anything. While villain is guaranteeing himself small pots, he is never getting to take advantage of big pots, b/c you wont give it to him without having what you would normally have to inflate the pot anyway, a good hand. You win most of the big pots, he wins 70% of the small pots, and you can still take a few of those away from him as well. I think minraising HU on the button in the long run will never be that profitable so long as you control the pot as best as you can OOP. Versus angry 3better's I think minbetting could really fuck someones day up if done with enough finesse. And you can always resort to the SNG's if youre a HU master b/c he can only minraise the first couple of levels before he is forced into "normal" play.

On July 17 2008 18:25 hawking wrote: You win most of the big pots, he wins 70% of the small pots, and you can still take a few of those away from him as well.

Your statement is false. The whole idea of minraising the button is to play larger pots in position, where the minraiser has positional advantage. It's not like the minraiser is going to create a large pot w/ any two cards though (if he's knows how to play the strategy profitably).

On July 17 2008 18:25 hawking wrote: I think minraising HU on the button in the long run will never be that profitable so long as you control the pot as best as you can OOP.

This is far from the truth as well. 100% minraising the button is nearly unexploitable (again, assuming competent minraiser). Claiming that pure pot control will let you win against a minraiser is naive.

uhm if you can't take the fight preflop to your advantage consider some flop/turn adjustments after flatting pf.

hall of fame forum now pls
a hu newb like me can learn some shit up in here

On July 17 2008 18:52 thundza wrote: This is far from the truth as well. 100% minraising the button is nearly unexploitable (again, assuming competent minraiser). Claiming that pure pot control will let you win against a minraiser is naive.

I whole heartedly agree. In my first response on page 1 I describe the anguish of playing against this style and how you have very few options other than to fold your blinds to avoid getting fucked up. I think minraising every button HU, (which I think people give Negreanu credit for pioneering?) is a rather brilliant strategy for HU only games, which is why I think one of the few things to do is to just mirror it. Baal wants more, wants to know how to exploit it, how to gain an edge over it. Im not sure there is any. And I dont think pot control OOP will help you win against the minraiser, but rather limit your losses. What do you think?

On July 17 2008 16:39 [vital]Myth wrote: ignore the minraise it means nothing pretend you're playing with an inverted button but take advantage of the fact that he can't raise his button if you limp ignore the fact that he has the "betting lead" because he doesn't proceed appropriately

you are so good at this game corwin cole! who taught you these things

wat? Stop talking about the brilliance of minraising the button 100% and how its "unexploitable"


Nigga please, its like such a trivial part of a HU match its silly. Who cares rly? Except baal and I still dont know why.

But doesnt it give him an edge postflop if you are "completing" a lot, since he will have some idea about your range yet you have no idea what he can have ?

no

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