set of Kings on the river by Joe - Page 5

Thanks Corwin for advocating some of the points I thought about and creating the discussion

The result is that I shoved with little thought and got called by AA obviously. Wasnt sure if it was bad at that point, but later I started to think it was a mistake so thats why I posted it.

I didnt know villain much because I dont play NL 1/2 FR at all or very rarely, but I was playing already like 2-3 hours before having this guy on 3 or 4 of my tables and he really played very nitty and I knew it, just wasnt sure how nitty that exactly is.

And I think people who autoposted something in the lines "omg wtf how are u even thinking of not getting it allin here" should sometimes switch the autopilot off and actually think about situations themselves.

And Rekrul, I can assure u that it is sick painfull for me to FOLD ANYTHING DECENT EVER and I actually rarely do (you can notice that by seeing that I actually almost always have the result to the hands I post), thats why I have to post a lot of hand discussion topics at LP to have people like Myth keep reminding me that I should be folding a lot more

It was ridiculous obvios he has AA, not because of the hand... but for the fact this is a thread... if he had botton set this wouldnt be here.

the pf raiser gets a PERFECT flop to bet aces on. PERFECT!!! there is so little chance that a villain will not bet out aces that i think this really cuts back on the % of aces in his range @ river. i am in the camp that says shove river for value.

On July 18 2008 03:52 Joe wrote: And I think people who autoposted something in the lines "omg wtf how are u even thinking of not getting it allin here" should sometimes switch the autopilot off and actually think about situations themselves.

sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry

Its not autopilot -_-

still can't explain the river bet though

id fold this if this meant id have to die if i lose, but if someone elses life was at stake id snap reshove 100% ship ship

i would lead river more and call a shove here. he has AK here often and you want to get value for it. isn't the AK combination like 4 times more likely than AA according to stove? handbanana would probably be shovin' AK here too i think

also i think its a pretty big fail to raise UTG to 3 big blinds... there is nothing winning about doing this unless u intend to do it with like AT+ and all pps

On July 18 2008 19:11 lachlan wrote: also i think its a pretty big fail to raise UTG to 3 big blinds... there is nothing winning about doing this unless u intend to do it with like AT+ and all pps

^^

On July 18 2008 19:11 lachlan wrote: also i think its a pretty big fail to raise UTG to 3 big blinds... there is nothing winning about doing this unless u intend to do it with like AT+ and all pps

this is just a pretty big fail of a comment

opening 3bb is fine, opening 4bb is just better

and lol @ feeling like you "have to" open looser if you're opening for a smaller raise. come on, at least have a clue before being all snotty

On July 18 2008 19:37 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2008 19:11 lachlan wrote: also i think its a pretty big fail to raise UTG to 3 big blinds... there is nothing winning about doing this unless u intend to do it with like AT+ and all pps this is just a pretty big fail of a comment opening 3bb is fine, opening 4bb is just better and lol @ feeling like you "have to" open looser if you're opening for a smaller raise. come on, at least have a clue before being all snotty

true that comment did come off as a pretty big asshole, sorry, wasnt honestly my intention

all i meant was i think its really bad to raise 3 big blinds utg in any full ring game. the stuff i said about opening wider, well what i meant was i was trying to justify where u might be good to do it if u open heaps.

point of full ring is to stack them with ur monsters, just like all poker games, and raising 3bb with ur strongest range is already a big disadvantage

all of the above my humble honest opinion and i do not mean to offend anyone!

i usually click it back and celebrate.

On July 18 2008 19:42 lachlan wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2008 19:37 [vital]Myth wrote:   On July 18 2008 19:11 lachlan wrote: also i think its a pretty big fail to raise UTG to 3 big blinds... there is nothing winning about doing this unless u intend to do it with like AT+ and all pps this is just a pretty big fail of a comment opening 3bb is fine, opening 4bb is just better and lol @ feeling like you "have to" open looser if you're opening for a smaller raise. come on, at least have a clue before being all snotty true that comment did come off as a pretty big asshole, sorry, wasnt honestly my intention all i meant was i think its really bad to raise 3 big blinds utg in any full ring game. the stuff i said about opening wider, well what i meant was i was trying to justify where u might be good to do it if u open heaps. point of full ring is to stack them with ur monsters, just like all poker games, and raising 3bb with ur strongest range is already a big disadvantage all of the above my humble honest opinion and i do not mean to offend anyone!

point of fr isn't really to "stack them with your monsters" if you play midstakes. all the regs play extremely tight and just NEVER put their money in bad. you're constantly just trading coolers with the regs. sure, you stack the fish who call off with garbage but that's the same whether it's FR or 6max or anything.

the point of FR is to pick up far more small pots than anyone else because your opponents play too many tables and they don't fight enough for dead money. almost 100% of your edge in a typical FR game will come from your ability to outplay regulars in small and medium pots.

a side-point of FR is to play a style that induces regs to flip out but that's kinda the point of any game also

regs should die imo

On July 16 2008 16:16 rogier wrote: youre debating between instashove, normal shove or timebank shove?

LOL

he has royal flush here with 4 aces and a joker 90% of the time, ez fold

If this is a flat call I cry at how tough online poker has become

On July 18 2008 03:30 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2008 03:08 EvilSky wrote: But if we are 50/50 we just split whatever is in the pot, it doesnt matter if there is 200 or 200k in it, the EV is the same. no, this isn't true at all if we are 50% to win but we get 4:1 that's clearly far superior to getting 2:1 with the same winning %

No hes right, based on the assumption that we're 50% to win and villain calls a shove with both AA and AK (ignoring the fact that AK has 2 outs vs KK while KK only has 1 out vs AA). If we are exactly 50% to win any additional money going into the pot is neutral EV.

Anytime someone is calling a push with their entire range then pot odds are irrelevant when choosing between call or raise and only come into play when choosing between call or fold.

On July 19 2008 15:57 JonnyCosMo wrote: If this is a flat call I cry at how easy online poker has become