set of Kings on the river by Joe - Page 3

On July 17 2008 10:53 phonetic wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2008 10:01 Pulda wrote: Obviously a push, AK is definitely in his range, not mentioning some weaker strangely played hands or random crap he might turn up with occassionally (possibly also AsQs). And no, playing FR doesn't necessarilly mean nitting it up. I'm a semi-regular at both 1-2 6 max and FR.I don't think 6 max players realize that it's almost not even the same game at FR.People don't 3 bet UTG raisers in UTG+1 with AQs (especially not this particular reg which I am quite familiar with). You can't even make the case that he's polarizing his 3 betting to an UTG raiser cause the reality is that almost all regs in FR 1/2 don't do this. Hell, in FR, lots of regs even flat JJ QQ in UTG+1 to UTG raise. His range here is AA, KK and AK, which leaves us with AK, AA. I even think ( not saying it is correct) that this particular player flats AK on the river the vast majority of the time because he might think you were set mining and were going for CR on flop with flopped set, and decided to bet river for value. IMO, he has AA 90% of the time here, and AK 10%. I certainly can't fault a push, but the extremely nitty dynamics + nitty reg make a fold a least an option to be considered.

Just to clarify this up, I've played a ton of FR in the past, especially NL100 and NL200 on PS.

Oh and of course I don't expect him to show up here with AQs very often, but it's not like its impossible. People 3bet it anyway from time to time.

I don't know this particular player much, but I would never fold this without much info, which is the same situation Joe was in.

On July 16 2008 18:03 phexac wrote: I think you should fold.

i think you should be banned from midstakes if you're serious

and wtf how is this even a question?

we have to shove given how small our river bet is

low/micro stakes players who have no idea how the midstakes FR games run should not comment on the subject, because your understanding of the game is horribly flawed..

AK and AA both in his range but you're getting decent odds and he isn't gonna flat AK so flat here

shoving is bad bc you are getting far worse odds on a shove, and the only reason you are calling the river is to gamble that he has AK instead of AA

tim,

KKK is foldable here, though it's pretty rare. if you don't have enough FR experience to know that, then don't tell people that they should be banned for suggesting it. i have definitely seen FR regs flat a hand like 999 in a spot like this. obv the villain here can't have 999 but if we know he would flat 999 in a spot where that hand was in his range, then we probably have to fold. (i do think that the post about folding may have been a joke though)

just for further clarification, if KKK is foldable here then i think we have butchered the hand previously (we should lead the flop and proceed accordingly)

On July 17 2008 13:27 [vital]Myth wrote: AK and AA both in his range but you're getting decent odds and he isn't gonna flat AK so flat here shoving is bad bc you are getting far worse odds on a shove, and the only reason you are calling the river is to gamble that he has AK instead of AA

YEA! this is wat i was tryin to say

get it in!!!

On July 17 2008 12:55 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2008 18:03 phexac wrote: I think you should fold. i think you should be banned from midstakes if you're serious

i agree LOL!!

i think its a snap call, possibly a snap minreraise/fold

i think if he vbet a standard amount on the river its a snap call. but since he induced a bluff i think he has to shove.

If he flats 999 to that bet shouldnt we be folding this preflop? I mean .. LOL

id prob fold

i flat

raising here is bad imo vs most

On July 17 2008 14:16 handbanana21 wrote: i think if he vbet a standard amount on the river its a snap call. but since he induced a bluff i think he has to shove.

why would we shove if the opponent is bluffing? so that he'll call with J high?

well the villain could be raising for value on the river with AK as well, which would be more prone to call a shove, so since he induced the play i think that villains range could include made hands that turned into a bluff on the river as well as AA and AK

On July 17 2008 17:13 handbanana21 wrote: well the villain could be raising for value on the river with AK as well, which would be more prone to call a shove, so since he induced the play i think that villains range could include made hands that turned into a bluff on the river as well as AA and AK

just help us out here and tell us wtf YOU had ffs ROFL