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TT1   Canada. Jul 14 2008 19:05. Posts 465

how would you play this hand differently to extract the maximum amount of chips or did i play this ok? did i play the flop wrong?

Submitted by : TT1

PokerStars Game #18822838627: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/07/14 - 18:42:07 (ET)
Table 'La Silla' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: CMOT_Donkey ($592.15 in chips)
Seat 2: BertBlufffff ($207.50 in chips)
Seat 3: pedroyy ($275.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Grashupfer ($200 in chips)
Seat 5: iampayam ($374.85 in chips)
Seat 6: funkeemonkee ($368 in chips)
pedroyy: posts small blind $1
Grashupfer: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to iampayam QdQc
iampayam : raises $6 to $8
funkeemonkee: calls $8
CMOT_Donkey: folds
BertBlufffff: calls $8
pedroyy: folds
Grashupfer: folds

Flop (Pot : $27.00)

   JcQsKd
pedroyy leaves the table
iampayam : checks
funkeemonkee: bets $18
BertBlufffff: calls $18
iampayam : raises $22 to $40
funkeemonkee: calls $22
BertBlufffff: folds

Turn (Pot : $125.00)

   JcQsKd2h
iampayam : bets $90
funkeemonkee: calls $90

River (Pot : $305.00)

   JcQsKd2hAc
iampayam : bets $150
WushuTM joins the table at seat #3
funkeemonkee: folds
Uncalled bet ($150) returned to iampayam
iampayam collected $302 from pot
iampayam : doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $305 | Rake $3
Board  JcQsKd2hAc
Seat 1: CMOT_Donkey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: BertBlufffff (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: pedroyy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Grashupfer (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: iampayam collected ($302)
Seat 6: funkeemonkee folded on the River



i was sure a half a pot bet could get a call but i guess the ace scared him away, i though it wouldnt have made a difference because he probably had 2 pair or something, didnt see him calling this much with tp

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0.0Last edit: 14/07/2008 19:08

Balzamon   Sweden. Jul 14 2008 19:27. Posts 2868

you have the aggression pre, i would for sure just keep firing flop. Obvious your c/r is to small, its both a caller in between and the board has 3 cordinated cards and you miniraise...? Make it 60 for sure and nearly pot turn, hmm not sure about turn actually, just make it so the river is an ez shove (if not the worst card in the deck comes like now).

Imo you played flop and river pretty bad, i mean wtf is that river bet, you gonna b/f, b/c? maybe AK calls you... but most of the time he has a 10 or fold, if you c/c you at least give him a chance to bluff the pot if he realizez hes behind.

edit: actually i dunno about river, maybe your bet is good if hes really stationess and will look you up with alot of 2p combos.

 Last edit: 14/07/2008 19:31

TT1   Canada. Jul 14 2008 19:33. Posts 465

a 10 is pretty much impossible here imo..

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Balzamon   Sweden. Jul 14 2008 19:36. Posts 2868

why? imo he plays it very much like K10, Q10 maybe even J10


TT1   Canada. Jul 14 2008 19:38. Posts 465

all those hands except j10s is most likely a fold preflop and if not its a guarenteed fold after the turn

0.0Last edit: 14/07/2008 19:40

Baalim   Mexico. Jul 14 2008 20:10. Posts 34312

This is beyond horrible.... the pt on the flop is $62 and you raise 22 more... what in the hell?

BTW any Pair+T is calling 2 barrels.

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tokeweed   Philippines. Jul 14 2008 20:32. Posts 2149

raise flop more... but i like leading pot here

big hand = bong loads 

Fraser   Canada. Jul 15 2008 01:05. Posts 4605


  On July 14 2008 19:10 Baal wrote:
This is beyond horrible.... the pt on the flop is $62 and you raise 22 more... what in the hell?


gotta quote baal here... raise size is brutal. I'd probably just lead pot all 3 streets.


TianYuan    Korea (South). Jul 15 2008 10:09. Posts 6817


  On July 14 2008 18:38 TT1 wrote:
all those hands except j10s is most likely a fold preflop and if not its a guarenteed fold after the turn


You haven't included any reads so I'm gonna assume the players are random 1/2 fish.

And if you think random 1/2 fish fold KT or QT preflop then lol.

I'd play this board super fast probably, a ton of pair+draw type hands will call you. Dunno if pot pot small bet is better than pot pot pot since if he hasn't raised you before the river I suppose his hand will be more weighted towards JT/KT/QT than 2pair (this is assuming the river isn't an ace btw).

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

Logiabs~   Colombia. Jul 15 2008 10:17. Posts 9133

jesus
this is fuckin horrible

 Last edit: 15/07/2008 10:17

YoMeR   United States. Jul 15 2008 15:09. Posts 12438

i jack it up to like 75-85 on the flop and 3/4 the turn probably or enough so i have about 1/2-pot sized bet left for the river depending on the player.

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BrisbaneLion   Australia. Jul 21 2008 19:57. Posts 22

Bet $22 on the flop and play for stacks, if he just calls fire the turn hard and get it in. What you did is very very very bad.

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jully   Bulgaria. Aug 21 2008 07:56. Posts 430

make standart cbet and try to get it in as fast as u can
and the river bet .......
this is tilt bet any T shove and any other hand folds
you gain nothing,and u loose everithing
beter to c/c if u are 100% shure that he dont have T


Python817   Canada. Aug 21 2008 08:00. Posts 2733

tt1 is probably busto by now no need for more advice


EvilSky    Czech Republic. Aug 21 2008 08:22. Posts 8918

Def make it like 80 on the flop and ship it in
btw just bet out this flop, you would bet all your air so a c/r here looks ridic strong to people with half a brain.

 Last edit: 21/08/2008 08:23

TT1   Canada. Aug 21 2008 11:22. Posts 465

no but frustrated after playing 60 hours in 1 week and gaining 20$ on nl200 i feel like i make no progression and i get so weak mentally. havnt touched poker since like a week and a half and i have to focus on how to 5pool fayth and loco anyways

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n0rthf4ce    United States. Aug 21 2008 17:09. Posts 8119

wtf FPS. this is a good hand to pot/pot/shove

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[vital]Myth    United States. Aug 21 2008 18:25. Posts 12159


  On August 21 2008 16:09 n0rthf4ce wrote:
wtf FPS. this is a good hand to pot/pot/shove

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser 

nabz   Canada. Aug 21 2008 19:57. Posts 420


  On July 15 2008 09:17 Logiabs~ wrote:
jesus
this is fuckin horrible

Education costs money, but then so does ignorance 

capaneo   Canada. Aug 22 2008 00:11. Posts 8465

i make flop $60 and shove turn.
random 200nl players Always call with pair+T and sure as shit always hit river

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