Q3 push all-in ????

Submitted by : JohnnyMoss

Full Tilt Poker Game #7196189378: $15,000 Guarantee (52055228), Table 18 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:23:14 ET - 2008/07/12
Seat 1: miloso (21,934)
Seat 2: JFINK01 (149,358)
Seat 4: ludko (45,820)
Seat 5: ProbBluffingYou (133,160)
Seat 8: kooli66 (46,793)
miloso antes 500
JFINK01 antes 500
ludko antes 500
ProbBluffingYou antes 500
kooli66 antes 500
ProbBluffingYou posts the small blind of 2,000
kooli66 posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #4

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to ludko
miloso folds
JFINK01 folds
ludko raises to 45,320, and is all in
ProbBluffingYou raises to 86,640
kooli66 folds
ProbBluffingYou shows
ludko shows
Uncalled bet of 41,320 returned to ProbBluffingYou

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $97,140.00)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $97,140.00)

   

River (Pot : $97,140.00)

   
ProbBluffingYou shows Ace King high
ludko shows Queen Ten high
ProbBluffingYou wins the pot (97,140) with Ace King high
ludko stands up

Summary
Total pot 97,140 | Rake 0
Board:  
Seat 1: miloso folded before the Flop
Seat 2: JFINK01 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: ludko (button) showed and lost with Queen Ten high
Seat 5: ProbBluffingYou (small blind) showed and won (97,140) with Ace King high
Seat 8: kooli66 (big blind) folded before the Flop

any advice ?

dont commit everyting on a steal in this spot with such a weak hand. If i wanna steal raise to like 10-13.

On July 13 2008 09:38 kvejkr wrote: dont commit everyting on a steal in this spot with such a weak hand. If i wanna steal raise to like 10-13.

stop.

if they're tight it's fine, play to win in mtt and this would appear to be a good spot to steal

standard.

super standard

is raising to 10 and folding that bad against tight players?

super super standard

standard

On July 14 2008 11:34 Yugless wrote: is raising to 10 and folding that bad against tight players?

I wonder this, too. I want to learn

On July 14 2008 11:34 Yugless wrote: is raising to 10 and folding that bad against tight players?

only if your name is Phil Hellmuth =D

anyone cares to explain how is this super standart? im noob ;(

I wouldn't mind open folding or raising to something like 10k and fold to a raise... given that they are very tight, they are not going to make a play to you i would guess...

On July 14 2008 11:34 Yugless wrote: is raising to 10 and folding that bad against tight players?

I do this often at these tourney stages...how is this bad? any1 care to explain? tyty

I'm pretty sure the simple answer is that you dont want to be investing a quarter of your stack in a raise to have them be able to craftily re-steal and if he is gonna call you light it's not like you're a huge dog to his range or anything so its best to just put your money in and hope you run like timdawg

i think this one is pretty standard considering you are pushing 45000 to win 8500. They probably wont call you down with anything less than 88+ A10o+. You got unlucky to run into the 5% chance they have a hand.

yeah this almost seems like an example right out of Harrington on Hold Em where you might think for a minute that it's a fold, but in reality it's shove all day with the info you are providing. hey at least you had live cards

clee and crown's posts are essentially the answer

you're not in awful shape if they do call, and theres just way too much money in the pot to pick up with a shove

also, raise/folding a quarter of your stack in an obvious steal spot is awful

a lot of players will insta reshove any ace, any king, any broadway combo or something.. but its a lot harder for them to just stack off/call your shove with it. goes against all poker ideals that you wanna be the aggressor and have fold equity etc.

especially with the bb in this hand having an identical stack to us, he's not going to want to call off for his tournament with a weak holding like K10o, but he would most likely reshove it. big difference.

someone who is playing 14/12 6 handed isn't going to reshove KT on the final table bubble very often. a lot of players will reshove any ace or king but these players wont based on op's description and i think thats a really important distinction to make

you would

I did some math. The shove is quite profitable for about 1BB with some pretty normal calling ranges. I doubt you can do significantly better than that in any other way.

fold shove any 2 on 20k stack's bb next hand.

On July 18 2008 09:38 thewh00sel wrote: fold shove any 2 on 20k stack's bb next hand.

if you're serious i think this is awful

i dont think you need to shove right now, although you can and show a small profit, the bb next hand though is going to be extra tight bc he wants to FT and the button is less likely to call with less money in the pot. I don't think you have to shove this hand and will show more of a profit shoving on the shorter player's blind next hand.

you dont need to shove this but i'd do it a majority of the time. depends a little on dynamics and everything.

Q3 = quake 3 = always all-in :D