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I think this isn't the case, the way I see it I just have to get better to beat the regulars, didn't really expect to see that much fish at NL1k+

On May 08 2008 04:36 Maynard! wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 04:31 CrownRoyal wrote: yeah, terrible topic, terrible content full of what ifs and shit that some heatered 1ptbb/100 lifetime poker player thinks about the online poker world. seriously, don't do this. Seriously don't criticize someone like that when you play microstakes.

[ ] Playing low stakes means you can't have way better ideas of global economical tendencies that may affect near future player pool booms than a mostly uneducated ex BW playing poker player


I am not targetting anyone in particular I am simply annoyed by unneccessary generalization. Wait, that's not true.

On May 08 2008 11:17 Repusz wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 04:36 Maynard! wrote:   On May 08 2008 04:31 CrownRoyal wrote: yeah, terrible topic, terrible content full of what ifs and shit that some heatered 1ptbb/100 lifetime poker player thinks about the online poker world. seriously, don't do this. Seriously don't criticize someone like that when you play microstakes. [ ] Playing low stakes means you can't have way better ideas of global economical tendencies that may affect near future player pool booms than a mostly uneducated ex BW playing poker player I am not targetting anyone in particular I am simply annoyed by unneccessary generalization. Wait, that's not true.

He made that generalization towards me. I responded in kind.

On May 08 2008 10:26 Maynard! wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 10:15 neveragain wrote:   On May 08 2008 09:39 Maynard! wrote:   On May 08 2008 09:33 neveragain wrote: Maynard, it sounds like you just want easy money and don't want to work for it too hard.. So it's only a matter of how easy you want your money to be. When it becomes too hard for you, you will quit and someone who is willing to work harder will take your place. It's like that with everything in life.. If you work hard, you have nothing to worry about and if you don't want to, well, then no forum thread on the internet is not going to help you.. 1. You know nothing about me. 2. That wasn't really the point of the post. Fair enough, maybe I'm wrong. So what's the point then? Oh just saying pool of players that aren't as skilled is shrinking and its becoming harder. Before many people I spoke with wondered "I wonder if this will last." Now it seems that we're starting to see the beginning of the end. Some of my pals who were playing from the start are now playing several levels below where they were 2 years ago. Players I know and respect seem to share the same sentiment. Recently I've just decided that profitability (thats all poker is to me: $) might be greater in the real world.

If they can't keep up it's their own fault.

On May 08 2008 11:21 Maynard! wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 11:17 Repusz wrote:   On May 08 2008 04:36 Maynard! wrote:   On May 08 2008 04:31 CrownRoyal wrote: yeah, terrible topic, terrible content full of what ifs and shit that some heatered 1ptbb/100 lifetime poker player thinks about the online poker world. seriously, don't do this. Seriously don't criticize someone like that when you play microstakes. [ ] Playing low stakes means you can't have way better ideas of global economical tendencies that may affect near future player pool booms than a mostly uneducated ex BW playing poker player I am not targetting anyone in particular I am simply annoyed by unneccessary generalization. Wait, that's not true. He made that generalization towards me. I responded in kind.

The generalization of saying he thinks you're wrong? How dare he!

Besides that not even being a generalization. Your memory fails

On May 08 2008 11:27 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 11:21 Maynard! wrote:   On May 08 2008 11:17 Repusz wrote:   On May 08 2008 04:36 Maynard! wrote:   On May 08 2008 04:31 CrownRoyal wrote: yeah, terrible topic, terrible content full of what ifs and shit that some heatered 1ptbb/100 lifetime poker player thinks about the online poker world. seriously, don't do this. Seriously don't criticize someone like that when you play microstakes. [ ] Playing low stakes means you can't have way better ideas of global economical tendencies that may affect near future player pool booms than a mostly uneducated ex BW playing poker player I am not targetting anyone in particular I am simply annoyed by unneccessary generalization. Wait, that's not true. He made that generalization towards me. I responded in kind. The generalization of saying he thinks you're wrong? How dare he! Besides that not even being a generalization. Your memory fails

He dismissed my opinion on his perceived basis that I played microstakes poorly. I responded in kind by dismissing his opinion because he played microstakes. We both generalized and discounted each other's position on the basis of perceived poker ability.

On May 08 2008 11:21 Maynard! wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 11:17 Repusz wrote:   On May 08 2008 04:36 Maynard! wrote:   On May 08 2008 04:31 CrownRoyal wrote: yeah, terrible topic, terrible content full of what ifs and shit that some heatered 1ptbb/100 lifetime poker player thinks about the online poker world. seriously, don't do this. Seriously don't criticize someone like that when you play microstakes. [ ] Playing low stakes means you can't have way better ideas of global economical tendencies that may affect near future player pool booms than a mostly uneducated ex BW playing poker player I am not targetting anyone in particular I am simply annoyed by unneccessary generalization. Wait, that's not true. He made that generalization towards me. I responded in kind.

Maybe, but since you probably don't blog in this thread, you started it to exchange oppinions. He shared his, which may be wrong, or the manner in which he has written it might be wrong, but dismissing him based on a fact that is only partially relevant to the potential depths of his reply is kind of self defensive, and since the initial theme of the thread wasn't a "let's discuss Maynard's future" it's kind of pointless. Ignore him.

The Yomer from a year ago would get crushed by the yomer of today.

The same goes with the online games. They are evolving and why wouldn't they with all the resources available to you? A fish loses 10k playing 2/4 NL and if he wants to continue playing i'm sure most of them will try to educate themselves on poker. And there's many ways to get information (and good information at that) about poker.

Just because the games are tougher doesn't mean they aren't beatable. I wish i could go back in time a few years

Now they just need to repeal that gay poker law and open the floodgates of profit

Im convinced of the opposite, more and more people will play the game and internet is almost a tool used by this new generation on a daily basis. What we really have to watch for is credibility, expose cheaters publicly and send the message: "Look, online poker is friendly and fair, you can make huge money and have fun, come and play".

AP scandal was a kick in the nuts for online poker, the poker fauna needs to hunt the black sheeps or the money will get out of the circuit. Do the games get tougher ? Only the high stakes regs can say it , do casual players get better ? Hell no, because it's a recreational game for them and they're willing to spend a couple of hundos for the fun of it and this is exactly what makes this game profitable.

Now we know the pool of players will grow exponentially as China and India will open to the world, and they'll make more money per inhabitant, meaning more cash flow injected in the industry of entertainment which im convinced Poker belongs to. Now the food chain will do its job and the better player will gather money off the fishes, maybe you're feeling like it's changing on the short run but long term, online poker will still be highly profitable.

On May 08 2008 10:26 Maynard! wrote: Recently I've just decided that profitability (thats all poker is to me: $) might be greater in the real world.

How much are u looking to match in the real world?

yeha to make more from RWorld job than from poker u need a pretty damn kick ass job !

i dont have the energy to share my entire philosophy on why i think poker will never become too hard to profit from, suffice to say i disagree completely with the OP. games are not particularly tougher right now than they were a year ago. imo games will never dry up, at least not at the levels 95% of us play.

New people are born every day...think about it.

if you spent the same amount of time playing and working on your game as you did making and arguing this point you might not have to make and argue your point. i think it's always been the case that if you don't improve you go broke but i agree that it is more true now than ever and you can also physically see it w/ a lot of the big winners from 2-3 years ago. the ones that really enjoy poker and working on their game continue to be winners. the ones that don't went broke or have 100% risk of ruin if they keep playing or were smart and are doing something else now.

On May 08 2008 08:52 Rekrul wrote: WHO IS MONSTER85

You took Oyvind Riisems nick ? There was a famous norwegian player under the nick "monster85" playing on crypto network before, he changed to "Staalmusa" now thou.

He was famous? He was a pretty solid reg on crypto.

Anyway, I just take a look at brood war and see that the same people who were good 5 years ago and still playing are still on top of the game (looking at the non-korean scene), i.e. mondragon. Brood War has evolved a shitload over the past 3 years but there are still bad players (bad regulars) and really good players (good regulars) who still bring innovative shit to the game. That adaptivity is what sets apart good poker players from average poker players. If you strive to be that good player there's no way the games won't be profitable for you.

Everyone gets better, so should you. Don't whine when people catch up because your rate of progression sucks.

On May 08 2008 13:37 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 08:52 Rekrul wrote: WHO IS MONSTER85 You took Oyvind Riisems nick ? There was a famous norwegian player under the nick "monster85" playing on crypto network before, he changed to "Staalmusa" now thou.

Let me guess why he took it :
- Monster poker... check
- born in 1985... check
MONSTER85 IS BORN

I guess several good players were born that year !

awesome thought process catul

i agree with u maynard
its very hard to find fish these days