Barack Obama

What do you think of him?

I personally think he's the best candidate and i would vote for him for sure if i was in the US

well considering his only competition is a vampire women that dogs bark at, and babies want to beat her up, i agree with you

but my geography teacher is convinced that he will get murdered...

Obama never gets specific when he talks about issues and this allows him to portray himself as an "outsider" who will "unite Americans" through "bipartisanship", he repeatedly uses cliches like "Hope" and "Change" which allow him to sound like a good candidate without saying anything at all and therefore not betraying his inexperience

this kind of talk appeals to the many people who are disillusioned about the political process, particularly Democrats and liberal independents who are turned off by Hillary Clinton's divisive history and cold demeanor

unfortunately if you remember this was exactly the same tactic used by George W Bush in 2000 which allowed him to beat out more-qualified opponents and take control of the White House, control which he abused through ignorance resulting in a completely ruined economy and catastrophically managed war in Iraq

be VERY CAREFUL of politicians who speak in rhetoric and cliches without ever telling you EXACTLY what they plan to do once elected

Ted, no politicians really reveals what they want to do exactly

they will say they want to improve environnement, lower taxe, improve health system, improve economy, create new jobs, etc

newflash: they can't improve everything. they have to pay less attention to some field. but they won't tell you this...

for instance Obama's universal healthcare plan is not mandatory (except for kids) so you could choose not to pay your whole life, get cancer, and at that point buy in and be covered for your entire treatment at taxpayer expense (??????)

go to his site and read the "Foreign Policy" section under "Issues," it is ridiculously idealistic and naive (especially the part where he thinks he can talk out all our differences with Iran lol)

Floofy: not all politicians speak in cliches nonstop, watch some of the debates and you will see the difference I am talking about

he voted against the war.

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On February 20 2008 19:27 TedHastings wrote: go to his site and read the "Foreign Policy" section under "Issues," it is ridiculously idealistic and naive (especially the part where he thinks he can talk out all our differences with Iran lol)

well lets just attack any country we have differences with then.

its very simple to solve all of the Unites States problems with middle eastern countries.

1-get out of Iraq
2-get your military bases out of every country in the middle east.
3-stop sending money and weapons to israel.
4-pressure israel to create a palestinian state and get back to the 1967 borders.

Why would americans support palestinians ? You forgot jews are sitting in the white house next to the president ! But on a side note i've read that a lot of people think if Obama is elected he'll get assassinated, this is sick and scary at the same time. But i really think Obama is the best candidate for the democrats, fuck wasp people like Clinton, time for a black prez !

I win, bitch

On February 20 2008 19:45 albonycee wrote: Show nested quote + On February 20 2008 19:27 TedHastings wrote: go to his site and read the "Foreign Policy" section under "Issues," it is ridiculously idealistic and naive (especially the part where he thinks he can talk out all our differences with Iran lol) well lets just attack any country we have differences with then. its very simple to solve all of the Unites States problems with middle eastern countries. 1-get out of Iraq 2-get your military bases out of every country in the middle east. 3-stop sending money and weapons to israel. 4-pressure israel to create a palestinian state and get back to the 1967 borders.

yea, lets just let them genocide the sects of their own faith that they dont agree with. Great plan. Lets stay out of Sudan too, let's just let everyone kill eachother. Moral responsibility for saving and informing the weak and oppressed be damned, right?

Of course your rebuttal will just be "WERE JUST THERE FOR OIL/MONEY" or "LET THEM SOLVE IT THEMSELVES".

I dont necessarily agree with going into Iraq, but we sure as hell cant just leave. If you the think the murder commited there now everyday is gruesome, just imagine if we pulled out and left the power to whoever had the most guns. Would make for a good TV show though, no?

On February 20 2008 19:20 TedHastings wrote: Obama never gets specific when he talks about issues and this allows him to portray himself as an "outsider" who will "unite Americans" through "bipartisanship", he repeatedly uses cliches like "Hope" and "Change" which allow him to sound like a good candidate without saying anything at all and therefore not betraying his inexperience this kind of talk appeals to the many people who are disillusioned about the political process, particularly Democrats and liberal independents who are turned off by Hillary Clinton's divisive history and cold demeanor unfortunately if you remember this was exactly the same tactic used by George W Bush in 2000 which allowed him to beat out more-qualified opponents and take control of the White House, control which he abused through ignorance resulting in a completely ruined economy and catastrophically managed war in Iraq be VERY CAREFUL of politicians who speak in rhetoric and cliches without ever telling you EXACTLY what they plan to do once elected

American troops out from Iraq before 2010 is specific at least...

On February 20 2008 19:45 albonycee wrote: its very simple to solve all of the Unites States problems with middle eastern countries. 1-get out of Iraq 2-get your military bases out of every country in the middle east. 3-stop sending money and weapons to israel. 4-pressure israel to create a palestinian state and get back to the 1967 borders

1- leave now and that country devolves into anarchy, the Kurds set up their own state in the north prompting open rebellion among the Kurds in Turkey, and Iran finances sects it agrees with and ends up in de facto control of southern Iraq
2- this is actually an excellent idea and I agree with you
3- Israel has the bomb, if we stop supporting them the Arab nations will attack and if they are at risk of annihilation they will start nuking (aka end of the world)
4- the Palestinians were offered their own state under the original UN plan and refused because Jews also got a nation, Arabs dont want a Palestinian state they want the Jews out of the region (or better yet dead). The premise that other Arab nations are mad at us because of the treatment of the Palestinians is a joke, the neighboring countries refuse to grant the Palestinians entry (witness the recent Gaza/Egypt situation) and are in reality using them as pawns to create false tension with the West that they can exploit for their own ends (keep their own subjects focused on external issues, Al Qaeda recruitment).
As for the 1967 borders that is the gayest logic I have ever heard, Israel won those lands defending themselves against Arab aggression. You can make a better argument for the US return of California to Mexico.

"It's very simple to solve all the US problems with Middle Eastern countries" hey if you were half black you could run for the Democratic Presidential nomination!

On February 20 2008 20:52 VanDerMeyde wrote: American troops out from Iraq before 2010 is specific at least...

not really because he doesn't explain how or why or give any indication that he understands the root causes/history/current progress of the situation just that he knows how to say what his constituents want to hear

I've been trying to get an interview with Obama for like 2-3 weeks now sending in requests a few times a week.

Would be a sweet interview imo.

Honestly they all pretty much stand on the same sides on the important issues and personally I think it's a choice between a couple bowls full of shit.

In Obama's cause I just don't think the USA is ready for a Muslim president.

On February 21 2008 21:02 TedHastings wrote: Show nested quote + On February 20 2008 20:52 VanDerMeyde wrote: American troops out from Iraq before 2010 is specific at least... not really because he doesn't explain how or why or give any indication that he understands the root causes/history/current progress of the situation just that he knows how to say what his constituents want to hear

the things is it's not his place and he can't be blamed for doing this. HE IS A REPRESENTATIVE. If this what the people want to hear bc they are stupid then it's the people's fault

On February 21 2008 21:23 NotSorry wrote: Honestly they all pretty much stand on the same sides on the important issues and personally I think it's a choice between a couple bowls full of shit. In Obama's cause I just don't think the USA is ready for a Muslim president.

muslim=/=black

On February 21 2008 21:00 TedHastings wrote: Show nested quote + On February 20 2008 19:45 albonycee wrote: its very simple to solve all of the Unites States problems with middle eastern countries. 1-get out of Iraq 2-get your military bases out of every country in the middle east. 3-stop sending money and weapons to israel. 4-pressure israel to create a palestinian state and get back to the 1967 borders 1- leave now and that country devolves into anarchy, the Kurds set up their own state in the north prompting open rebellion among the Kurds in Turkey, and Iran finances sects it agrees with and ends up in de facto control of southern Iraq 2- this is actually an excellent idea and I agree with you 3- Israel has the bomb, if we stop supporting them the Arab nations will attack and if they are at risk of annihilation they will start nuking (aka end of the world) 4- the Palestinians were offered their own state under the original UN plan and refused because Jews also got a nation, Arabs dont want a Palestinian state they want the Jews out of the region (or better yet dead). The premise that other Arab nations are mad at us because of the treatment of the Palestinians is a joke, the neighboring countries refuse to grant the Palestinians entry (witness the recent Gaza/Egypt situation) and are in reality using them as pawns to create false tension with the West that they can exploit for their own ends (keep their own subjects focused on external issues, Al Qaeda recruitment). As for the 1967 borders that is the gayest logic I have ever heard, Israel won those lands defending themselves against Arab aggression. You can make a better argument for the US return of California to Mexico. "It's very simple to solve all the US problems with Middle Eastern countries" hey if you were half black you could run for the Democratic Presidential nomination!

1-The only solution to Iraq is splitting the country in three. There is no way in hell kurds, shiites and sunnies will live together in harmony in the same country. ( See ex-Yugoslavia for reference to what will happen ) Oh i forgot, theres another solution also. Get the most ruthless Sadam era army general and make him a dictator, which is not a realistic option.

3-This doesnt make sense. Israel doesnt need its nukes when it comes to war with the arabs. It only took them 6 days to basically destroy all their neighbors armies. Plus the arabs have too many problems with each other to unite and create a real threat to Israel. Plus Pakistan has nukes of its own leading to a "Cold War" type conflict if anything.

4-Arafat did refuse the Camp David proposal, which was a huge mistake since he would have basically gotten Gaza and most of West Bank except for a part of Jerusalem. Thinking that the muslim world hates the US just to create "false tensions" is plain ridiculous imo. They have been killing americans for the last 40 years, coincidentally since Israel annihilated them in the 6 day war with US weapons and cash. Also dont forget the US made Israel a nuclear power so they obv feel threatened by that. Remember what happened when the Soviet Union planted nuclear missles in Cuba ?

Obama will get a lot of critisim for his mistakes which is why he won't make any.

On February 21 2008 21:41 FoolsPlay wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2008 21:23 NotSorry wrote: Honestly they all pretty much stand on the same sides on the important issues and personally I think it's a choice between a couple bowls full of shit. In Obama's cause I just don't think the USA is ready for a Muslim president. muslim=/=black

I don't think the black part is that big of an issue in this day in age. However this war on terror has a large % of Americans thinking every last Muslim is a sleep cell bomber.

i think he's black and he's proud

say it loud

he's black and he's proud

On February 21 2008 21:45 albonycee wrote: 1-The only solution to Iraq is splitting the country in three. There is no way in hell kurds, shiites and sunnies will live together in harmony in the same country. ( See ex-Yugoslavia for reference to what will happen ) Oh i forgot, theres another solution also. Get the most ruthless Sadam era army general and make him a dictator, which is not a realistic option. 3-This doesnt make sense. Israel doesnt need its nukes when it comes to war with the arabs. It only took them 6 days to basically destroy all their neighbors armies. Plus the arabs have too many problems with each other to unite and create a real threat to Israel. Plus Pakistan has nukes of its own leading to a "Cold War" type conflict if anything. 4-Arafat did refuse the Camp David proposal, which was a huge mistake since he would have basically gotten Gaza and most of West Bank except for a part of Jerusalem. Thinking that the muslim world hates the US just to create "false tensions" is plain ridiculous imo. They have been killing americans for the last 40 years, coincidentally since Israel annihilated them in the 6 day war with US weapons and cash. Also dont forget the US made Israel a nuclear power so they obv feel threatened by that. Remember what happened when the Soviet Union planted nuclear missles in Cuba ?

1- The main problem with this idea is the fierce resistance from Turkey who is an important ally in the region. It seems at first glance to be best but the result will be revolt in Turkey from the Kurds and a close alliance between Iran and the southern (Shi'ite) province which has most of the oil; both of these are very negative results from our view.

3- I think that the reason we support Israel AT THIS POINT is so that we still have a voice in their decision making process and can serve to restrain the more radical factions within the military/government. Imagine if Israel was left to its own devices and began acting as belligerently as some of the Arab states. Do you think Musharaf and the Israelis have the restraint to make it out of a Cold War scenario? I don't want to find out, and Israel has shown willingness to preemptive strike when it destroyed Iraq's nuclear plant (forget the name) so I wouldn't be surprised if it did the same to Iran which would be just what was needed to unite the disparate Arab nations. I would like us to leave Israel to its own devices and completely pull out of the region but I think it is too dangerous to do so in this era with tensions so ridiculously high, plus I think it might be too late for that to be the simple answer to repairing our relations with the Muslim world.

4- I didn't say the Muslim world hates us to create false tensions I said they let the Palestinians suffer to inflame those tensions which seems pretty obvious to me maybe you disagree.

On February 21 2008 21:23 NotSorry wrote: In Obama's cause I just don't think the USA is ready for a Muslim president.

the other day I heard a woman call in to C-SPAN to say that she doesn't want Obama running the country because he's Muslim, the host corrected her and said his father was but he isn't, she said "well he has his father's Muslim blood in his veins" LOL.....

....wait that's not funny, that woman gets to vote for MY President, fuck

His father and his step dad were both Muslims, he went to a Muslim religious school in Indonesia for 6years.(Yes he also went to a Catholic school for 2years.) He was Muslim till the day he decided to get into politics. Just because he joined a "Christian Church nearly 4years ago" doesn't change that he was born and raised a Muslim, and that how people see it.

Muslim or not, he's still just as bad as the Neo Cons running this country in his views, and it's not like the president runs the country anyways.

I wouldn't mind him, I like him far more then the ugly bitch. I'd prefer the old dude though. Anyone who has ever seen a Die Hard movie has to vote for the McCain-dude.

On February 22 2008 00:39 NotSorry wrote: His father and his step dad were both Muslims, he went to a Muslim religious school in Indonesia for 6years.(Yes he also went to a Catholic school for 2years.) He was Muslim till the day he decided to get into politics. Just because he joined a "Christian Church nearly 4years ago" doesn't change that he was born and raised a Muslim, and that how people see it. Muslim or not, he's still just as bad as the Neo Cons running this country in his views, and it's not like the president runs the country anyways.

first of all I went to Catholic schools for 12 years and am in no way shape or form Catholic now nor could I really be considered Catholic while in high school, I just happened to go to school there, so where he went to school really has no bearing

second, I cannot swear to this because I haven't read his autobiography myself, but I am pretty positive that he was NOT raised Muslim nor was he at any point in his adult life a self-declared or practicing Muslim, I think that is a myth concocted by his detractors

third, how to do you figure his policies are at all similar to the neocons? out of curiosity what do you consider yourself politically?

I'm for separation of church and state. So I'm pretty much fucked when it comes US politics to begin with ^ ^

if i am from US i will definitely vote for BARACK OMAHA--

anyway concerning the election if there are no cheating again,....it will be VOX populi .
and don t worry he won t have that much power, it s just about the lobby... Muslim , green , or from Mars planet..he is just a muppet and have to obey..

peace all and gl for barack "omaha "....

On February 22 2008 00:39 NotSorry wrote: His father and his step dad were both Muslims, he went to a Muslim religious school in Indonesia for 6years.(Yes he also went to a Catholic school for 2years.) He was Muslim till the day he decided to get into politics. Just because he joined a "Christian Church nearly 4years ago" doesn't change that he was born and raised a Muslim, and that how people see it. Muslim or not, he's still just as bad as the Neo Cons running this country in his views, and it's not like the president runs the country anyways.

You don't inherit religion. And by all accounts his father wasn't particularly useful anyways. And he went to a public school in Indonesia - not a Islamic school. Indonesia is a Muslim country, but it is also a multicultural Southeast Asian nation. You shouldn't spread misinformation you don't know about.

nicely done aphelion...soft and straight to the point...

If anyone is gonna get the poker law changed, it'll be him.

Go Barack!

On February 22 2008 01:19 TedHastings wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2008 00:39 NotSorry wrote: His father and his step dad were both Muslims, he went to a Muslim religious school in Indonesia for 6years.(Yes he also went to a Catholic school for 2years.) He was Muslim till the day he decided to get into politics. Just because he joined a "Christian Church nearly 4years ago" doesn't change that he was born and raised a Muslim, and that how people see it. Muslim or not, he's still just as bad as the Neo Cons running this country in his views, and it's not like the president runs the country anyways. first of all I went to Catholic schools for 12 years and am in no way shape or form Catholic now nor could I really be considered Catholic while in high school, I just happened to go to school there, so where he went to school really has no bearing second, I cannot swear to this because I haven't read his autobiography myself, but I am pretty positive that he was NOT raised Muslim nor was he at any point in his adult life a self-declared or practicing Muslim, I think that is a myth concocted by his detractors third, how to do you figure his policies are at all similar to the neocons? out of curiosity what do you consider yourself politically?

Well said. as far as what that guys saying about him being a muslim, this is the exact type of thing that pisses me off. I've no problem with someone disliking obama for real policy issues (like they think staying in Iraq is right so they dislike obama - I I disagree but at least they're making a stand on what they think is the best policy) but when people just bring up ridiculous BS like this as a reason I wanna smack them for their idiocy.

btw, he grew up in a secular househould and became a christian by choice in the 80's. Not 4 years ago.

On February 22 2008 08:24 TalentedTom wrote: If anyone is gonna get the poker law changed, it'll be him. Go Barack!

damn straight

I think him being muslim would be really good for the US.

On February 23 2008 22:52 CrownRoyal wrote: I think him being muslim would be really good for the US.

ya until he yelled DEATH TO AMERICA!!! and nuked all of us

it could happen

this guy is so melliflous bullshit, and he is actually moralizingly retarded enough to believe all the shit that he says

About Iraq.



I have a hard time figuring out why Americans or anybody for that matter except Iraqis would give a flying fuck about what happens to Iraq if we pull out.



Americans fucked up big time in Iraq, why the hell do they need to make it even worse by "pretending" they care about what happens if they pull out and meanwhile staying put?



PULL OUT.


God damn that retarded gorilla monkey that Americans call their Commander in Chief is such a big fuck up it's unbelievable. I've been calling him a fuck up for 9 years now and only now do a certain number of people realize it, 9 years too late.



Watching Bush handle Presidency is like watching a penny table fish play at 5000 NL.

On February 24 2008 07:49 Tien wrote: About Iraq. I have a hard time figuring out why Americans or anybody for that matter except Iraqis would give a flying fuck about what happens to Iraq if we pull out. Americans fucked up big time in Iraq, why the hell do they need to make it even worse by "pretending" they care about what happens if they pull out and meanwhile staying put? PULL OUT. God damn that retarded gorilla monkey that Americans call their Commander in Chief is such a big fuck up it's unbelievable. I've been calling him a fuck up for 9 years now and only now do a certain number of people realize it, 9 years too late. Watching Bush handle Presidency is like watching a penny table fish play at 5000 NL.

wow youve been saying it for so long. you're so smart. teach us please

and just because you dont care about the insane amount of iraqis that would die and the instability that would come from yet another overthrow in that country doesnt mean we all dont you insensitive prick.

we're never leaving iraq.

there is no intention in leaving.

every US and UK corporation there is there with indefinite contracts. when the US invaded they knew before the first soldier landed that they would be there until further notice. there will be no exit strategy as long as shareholders profiting from the war are in politics.

it's just common sense skotty poo

On February 24 2008 08:43 SKoT wrote: and just because you dont care about the insane amount of iraqis that would die and the instability that would come from yet another overthrow in that country doesnt mean we all dont you insensitive prick.

why would he care. do you care about the insane amount of east timorians and malaysians and bengalis and somalians and other people? there's people in uganda getting limbs cut off right now. nobody gives a fuck cause there's not a money market out there.

to try and act like the USA is in the business of peace keeping is laughable

how is it the US buisness to 'help' other countires ? (afganistan? BAILED TWICE LOL) US needs to get out of the middle east, completly

On February 24 2008 01:36 sawseech wrote: this guy is so melliflous bullshit, and he is actually moralizingly retarded enough to believe all the shit that he says

qft
have you seen his budget plans? LOL its like the bush stimulus pack x 100

On February 24 2008 08:56 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2008 08:43 SKoT wrote: and just because you dont care about the insane amount of iraqis that would die and the instability that would come from yet another overthrow in that country doesnt mean we all dont you insensitive prick. why would he care. do you care about the insane amount of east timorians and malaysians and bengalis and somalians and other people? there's people in uganda getting limbs cut off right now. nobody gives a fuck cause there's not a money market out there. to try and act like the USA is in the business of peace keeping is laughable

qft again ;o

On February 24 2008 08:56 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2008 08:43 SKoT wrote: and just because you dont care about the insane amount of iraqis that would die and the instability that would come from yet another overthrow in that country doesnt mean we all dont you insensitive prick. why would he care. do you care about the insane amount of east timorians and malaysians and bengalis and somalians and other people? there's people in uganda getting limbs cut off right now. nobody gives a fuck cause there's not a money market out there. to try and act like the USA is in the business of peace keeping is laughable

Quoted for Truth.


Skot, stop pretending you actually care about what happens to these people.


American media doesn't even show Iraqi war coverage as much anymore, why? Because Americans don't give a flying fuck enough to watch. Do Americans really care?? Do they REALLY care?? No they don't.

They care as much about Iraqis as they care for the 6 year olds making Nike shoes for them.

They didn't care about Iraq before, they sure as hell don't give a damn about Iraq now. It's merely a bunch of puppet politicians guilt tripping the public.

On February 24 2008 08:43 SKoT wrote: wow youve been saying it for so long. you're so smart. teach us please and just because you dont care about the insane amount of iraqis that would die and the instability that would come from yet another overthrow in that country doesnt mean we all dont you insensitive prick.

Didn't 100 000 Iraqis die because of this war?


Did you lose any sleep?


I sure as hell didn't, and neither did you.


How insensitive.

Sure I didn't lose sleep over the Iraqis because I dont know them, but I sure as hell lost sleep over my friends that are over there. I'd love to live in a world with no widespread murder based on nothing more than ethnicity, and you can bet your ass I'd throw an extra couple grand at the government per year to do it. If that means killing people that will never change to stop killing people for no reason, im all for it.

Once again, just because you're not personally affected by it, doesnt mean everyone isnt. Also, for the record, I dont like the way my administration has handled this war, and I wish our efforts were better managed to destroy meaningless genocide all over the world. We'll see if we can get that changed this election year, but my hopes arent up very far.

If the American government actually cared for their own sons and daughters more than the sons and daughters of strangers they didn't know, there would be no Iraqi war.


If they cared more for their children as well as their friends in the war, they'd pull the fuck out and bring them back home.



You want to keep the American army over in Iraq for how many more years? 5, 10, 15? For what purpose? To kill more Iraqis and build a government? You've got to be kidding me.



They didn't learn anything from the Vietnam war. How much longer do you want to keep your friends over there to fight over a lost cause? The same argument was made about the Vietnam war and look what happened, they stayed there for 7 years and merely delayed the inevitable.




Your friends that are over there in Iraq aren't there for justice or for peace keeping, they're there to serve an alterior motive that has nothing to do with the reasons given to them for being there in the first place.



Wake up and smell the coffee. Pull the fuck out.

u need to stop watching CNN bro if u think iraq was to prevent genocide, theres a couple of other places around the world where genocide is more perminet then in the middle east. History doesnt lie, and america is the one conducting a genocide imo.
Also you contradict yourself

Sure I didn't lose sleep over the Iraqis because I dont know them

and just because you dont care about the insane amount of iraqis that would die and the instability that would come from yet another overthrow in that country doesnt mean we all dont you insensitive prick.

realize that North america is a new civilization, very inexperienced, a population that has been kept in the mist (aka american dream) since the country was created, and that it is run buy a bunch of old people who realize they are going to die in the next 20 years, conducting wars to keep a superpower in check. Vietnam? same old as arguments have been used (if we leave vietnam, there will be civil wars and millions of people will die).

you don`t fight violence with more violence, until you realize that i doubt we will change your mind ;(

I can't imagine being a soldier fighting in the Iraqi war.


The Bush administration took a big piss and shit all over the men and women spilling their blood for them and continue to do so with each passing day that the administration decides not to pull out.


But what the hell does it matter anyways, they're laughing their way to the bank.

On February 24 2008 12:05 uiCk wrote: you don`t fight violence with more violence, until you realize that i doubt we will change your mind ;(

Out of pure curiosity, what would you do if we just pulled out tomorrow and the Sunni Loyalists just started raping and killing everyone that stood up to them. Ask them politely to stop? Write letters? Use colorful language?

and your expert analysys of what would hapens comes from where may i ask? you think random groups of religious power are just going to start raping and pillaging everyone because they can? under international watch? if and if that actually would ahpen, then would be the time to act. you sound like a fox announcer who refuses to hear diferent side of the story, i would stop humiliating yourself with your hick ways bro

all you hear on CNN is ''OMG SUNNIES AND SHIATS, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE BUT THEY HATE EACH OTHER''

its not your war, jsut let go of it, and maybe u feel like you have to justify your countries actions because you have friends fighting for your country, and like any other job, the military are their jobs, they joined volountarly, and now they are being manipulated by their own gouverment. It sucks that all this is hapened, i hope it will end well for your friends, but u need to realize that if you dont realize what they are doing, they will repeat this in history, and your patriotic buddies will be treated the same way vietnam vets have been treated, LIKE SHIT. Especially when we realize that the US is in major debt, theres barly any money that goes elswhere then military and subsiedies (aka paychecks to lobbists), and i doubt your buddies are gonna get the help and support they need 10 years from now.

You would do exactly what you did in Vietnam in 1976.

History lesson:Vietnam

Americans arrive in 1967 to stop communism from spreading.

8 years later, 2 million Vietnamese and 50 000 Americans dead, America pulls out and accomplishes nothing.



Apply history lesson Vietnam with Iraq today and it should be crystal clear what America needs to do.

WHERES RON PAUL!

people need to realize that the fact is that the US has been in constant military deployment for about 100 years. they're going out of their way to keep the military industrial complex in action because it's an economic necessity more or less.