Spirituality

On November 13 2021 09:14 hiems wrote: Y ru dumb?

Y ru dumb?

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That Chappelle shit stunk. Can't believe people pay money for this.

Havn't seen much chappelle but always thought this was fukin funny

Chappelle was at Foxwoods when I was in Mass. earlier in the year. Tickets were $349 and I would have had to drive about an hour there and about an hour back. I didn't even consider going really but at $99 I might have. I saw Chappelle in 2003 and it was lit. Amazing show. He had legitimate claim for GOAT even though I could name 5 funnier comics for me. I respect him for just kind of hanging out in Ohio and doing random shows. To just assume GOAT and his fixation with the LGBTQ community on these Netflix specials tarnishes his funnyness which is all that really matters as a stand-up. I think Dave actually has a thing for trying to make unfunny things funny but some things are just not funny. It's not funny because it's not "politically correct." It's not funny because it's not funny.

Most people want to be rich and famous so they look up to rich and famous people no matter how poor their reasoning is. Once you've paid to be in that room you are a sheep; mesmerized by the power of a rich and famous individual. The sad thing is that being rich and famous dramatically affects the capacity for empathy. This has been well-studied. The more successful you are in this culture, the less human. And you'll hang out with people who are just like you, and this gets reproduced. And these are society's main engineers. They are the ones with the biggest platforms and the most influence. That's why we're fucked.

Chappelle is choosing to die on this TERF hill specifically because he is incapable of empathy with marginalized people. He is capable of performing it, which he does there, but it isn't convincing. Even when it comes to Black people, he is performing empathy. He has no more in common with Black people nowadays than Eminem does. The man is just playing a role, and it's not a very good role, so he's certainly not GOAT. The fact that he keeps mentioning it, and ends his special with pictures of himself looking cool with other celebs makes him pretty lame in my eyes.

That trans woman who killed herself must have had some serious cognitive dissonance while praising Chappelle. It's pretty disgusting that he's used her as a token for his act. It's not something that should warrant cancelling him, but it's definitely nasty.

I'll take Stanhope any day

Tim Dillon is someone relatively new on the scene that makes me laugh a lot

Richard Pryor is probably my GOAT

Yeah, and Chappelle always likes to play the card that he walked away from $50 million and that he is this hero for doing so but I mean he still has $10 million and millions more if he's active. Then you have Joe Rogan just praising the guy saying Chappelle is a legend for coming out with like 4 specials in 4 years. Chappelle was far from killing any of those shows. I wish he would have just stayed in Ohio.

I'd love to check out The Comedy Story someday where someone is actually living in their car and has a tight 20 min. or something and kills. I've been to noob standup before and nobody ever kills but it's impossible to kill in a small theatre performing to like 20 people. Stand-up is such a crazy proposition to me because everyone bombs for at least 6 months, are terrible for 5 years, and if one can stick around for 10 years maybe they are funny after another 10 years. I've gotten jokes together before but never had the nerve to bomb for 6 months to a year but it is something I've always wanted to try. I was very good at improv relative to my peers but improv is kind of weird and stand-up such a pure art form. Who knows if I'll ever have the nerve to put a solid 10 minutes together and cringe bomb at some small, dingy improv theatre or dive bar open mic. But I've killed in improv and that is a great feeling. Probably not what I should be gunning for or else I'll end up drunk and on cocaine. Everything is so fast in improv that if you are killing it's like you are floating. And if you are bombing everything is still so fast that it doesn't really matter it's fun. Going into a cave and agonizing over jokes and remembering them and having presence and telling them well is such a crazy thing.

High empathy makes you good at manipulating people IMO. Since empathy is defined as your ability to put yourself in someone's shoes and feel what they feel. I always thought that con artists and demagogues (like Hitler) had high levels of empathy and that perhaps some celebrities did too. But the problem is a lack of sympathy. In the case of celebrities, many seem to be highly narcissistic.

Anyway, what studies are these?

Chapelle is the GOAT of comedy. His jokes are multi-layered and people that get triggered usually don't grasp even 20% of what he's saying. That said - his last special was quite dull compared to any other work he's done with Netflix. It was his way of making an apology and showing sympathy towards the LGBT, but since they're not communicating on the same level he got taken as an arrogant prick and I feel like he diminished the value of his comedy in order to 'make amends' with them. The result was a show that didn't really satisfy any of the two goals.

Then again the majority of the viewers praise the show so maybe I'm the one that's off.

On November 14 2021 03:27 Stroggoz wrote: High empathy makes you good at manipulating people IMO. Since empathy is defined as your ability to put yourself in someone's shoes and feel what they feel. I always thought that con artists and demagogues (like Hitler) had high levels of empathy and that perhaps some celebrities did too. But the problem is a lack of sympathy. In the case of celebrities, many seem to be highly narcissistic. Anyway, what studies are these?

There are two kinds of empathy. One is cognitive, one is emotional. The cognitive part is the one that narcissists and other character-disordered individuals can use to their benefit. But they don't have emotional empathy. They don't have an emotional response to putting themselves into another person's shoes. Just a cognitive understanding of what they may be feeling.

Research "money-empathy gap".
https://www.pnas.org/content/109/11/4086
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-wealth-reduces-compassion/

On November 14 2021 19:26 Spitfiree wrote: Chapelle is the GOAT of comedy. His jokes are multi-layered and people that get triggered usually don't grasp even 20% of what he's saying. That said - his last special was quite dull compared to any other work he's done with Netflix. It was his way of making an apology and showing sympathy towards the LGBT, but since they're not communicating on the same level he got taken as an arrogant prick and I feel like he diminished the value of his comedy in order to 'make amends' with them. The result was a show that didn't really satisfy any of the two goals. Then again the majority of the viewers praise the show so maybe I'm the one that's off.

1A = Pryor, 1B = Carlin

I thought about it. Chappelle isn't even top 10 for me.

Personally I found nothing that he said triggering and I laughed a couple times. I just think he's very stupid on this topic and it's a cash cow and an ego issue, nothing more. It's like imagining Louis CK coming back with a special where he jokes and justifies why he likes to jerk off in front of girls without their consent and pretends to have a social message behind it. Not very convincing.

I find it amusing that they had to test 4-way intersections to prove rich people arn't compassionate. If you buy a luxury car, it automatically shows that you don't care about people, just based on emissions from luxury cars alone, which are very high. You don't need to do any further testing, because they are needlessly contributing to droughts in Somalia. By my standards they basically proved a tautology. Also it shows they spent money on a luxury car, instead of buying a normal car and spending the rest on some form of charity.

The meta-conclusion that I gain from this study, is that the researchers don't think at all like me-they think that making a choice to be ultra-consumerists instead of helping people at a very small cost doesn't necessarily show a lack of compassion.

Doesn't have to have to do with consumerism and morality. I remember there were studies where they had people look at different faces from people. Some faces were in distress, and we have evolved to be able to recognize them. The rich people were unable to recognize those facial cues.

https://www.livescience.com/8978-read-emotions-helps-poor.html

Possibly it's because rich people havn't seen many people in distress in their life, so there is a bit of a 'poverty of the stimulus' going on there.

The conclusions from these science news sites kinda reminds me of this comic lol: https://phdcomics.com/comics/archive_print.php?comicid=1174. They are prob far more overconfident in what it proves than what the actual researchers say.

I don't think I have a shot at dog-walking here. The top 20 walkers are all women and the number 1 walker maybe makes $30,000/yr but probably less.

I do need to branch out though. It's not like there is an influx of remote game tester jobs. Variance can be annoying.

Now is a terrible time for a move. I have to adjust some medications and don't have enough cash for travel. The only way I could do foreign English is if I had travel expenses covered and some sort of bonus in cash upfront or bonus contingent on staying for 2 years or w/e.

All of these self-employed private contractor jobs seem hellishly saturated. I'd rather just buck up and get a job. Uber probably being one of the worst of them all in a small city off-tourist season. At least with Uber I could have conversations with people. Delivery they need to just automate already and cut us a check. So frustrating.

On November 14 2021 21:25 Loco wrote: Personally I found nothing that he said triggering and I laughed a couple times. I just think he's very stupid on this topic and it's a cash cow and an ego issue, nothing more. It's like imagining Louis CK coming back with a special where he jokes and justifies why he likes to jerk off in front of girls without their consent and pretends to have a social message behind it. Not very convincing.

Oh I didn't imply you were triggered. Would've expected you to deem it of poor taste, which it is indeed. Now that I think about it, it really does sound like it was an hour-long rant of shit he doesn't understand.

Also true, Carlin is better. The dude predicted our current society 20 years ago, how disappointing

I've noticed a lot of top comedians are getting sucked into these twitter culture wars. Goat for me is bill hicks. I don't see any layers in his comedy but his delivery is amazing, and he is a solid social critic as well.

On November 16 2021 22:11 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2021 21:25 Loco wrote: Personally I found nothing that he said triggering and I laughed a couple times. I just think he's very stupid on this topic and it's a cash cow and an ego issue, nothing more. It's like imagining Louis CK coming back with a special where he jokes and justifies why he likes to jerk off in front of girls without their consent and pretends to have a social message behind it. Not very convincing. Oh I didn't imply you were triggered. Would've expected you to deem it of poor taste, which it is indeed. Now that I think about it, it really does sound like it was an hour-long rant of shit he doesn't understand. Also true, Carlin is better. The dude predicted our current society 20 years ago, how disappointing

Oh there's no doubt about that. He barely scratched the surface of the topic and he used JK Rowlings as an appeal to authority to get himself out of the mess he created (she sold the most books ever, this bitch knows what it's like to be a woman!).

Carlin and Hicks are legit street philosopher types. Just happened to be hilarious too. Their message was completely unambiguous and they didn't fuck with people who didn't deserve to be fucked with. Hicks especially is my GOAT, he never strayed from his roots and he never got the mainstream recognition because he was so raw. I've never followed Chappelle so I don't know what he was like at his peak but he fails to have a positive social critique from what I've seen. He should have done a much better job of criticizing cancel culture than he did there.