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Thanks Richard (and Stroggoz as well)

I'm such a tankie enabler, that's why they ban me from their subs when I counter their propaganda.



When you have to lie so desperately to try to get the upper hand in a debate...

On September 20 2019 01:51 Baalim wrote: Quasi ascetic philosophers from 2,500 years ago weren't for capitalism? what a shock!... I was hoping to find for advice about shorting the S&P500 in Aruelius's mediations.

"Plato's political philosophy has been the subject of much criticism. In Plato's Republic, Socrates is highly critical of democracy and proposes an aristocracy ruled by philosopher-kings. Plato's political philosophy has thus often been considered totalitarian." (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato's_political_philosophy)

Nice try, fail better next time. Zeno's anarchist views were not common in Ancient Greece at all.

A mixure meaning that both had valid points, often duty will force you inot politics but also you don't have to be involved in pollitics to live a virtuous life. And seeing what politics did to you, I say epicureans also had a good pont.

"Politics" didn't do anything to me, living in a society where I felt like I didn't belong did. Seeing people toil away trying to pursue the American Dream only to ruin themselves and create broken families (of which I am a part of) did. Being taken advantage of by people who have been taught to only think of themselves did. Losing friends to drug addictions because they cannot cope with the reality of our world and because this society is not set up to be able to help them did. Learning about "politics" made me become more aware, and that's not always a pleasant thing, but I happen to be more joyful now than I have ever been.

The guys who randomly calls others fascism enablers gets angry when he gets called a tankie lol, hypocrite much?

Just because I point out that you are pathetic doesn't mean I was angry. I could not have been more calm in ready your pathetic response. I have backed my claim that you have been radicalized by a fascist by providing evidence of (1) him being a fascist and (2) you sharing his talking points and economic ideology (an ideology that serves to advance fascism), as well as showing proof that you are literally taking the word of fascists on the internet as accurate and sharing their tweets. Unlike you, I posted evidence a number of times. I didn't just read a buzzword on the internet and started using it against all common sense. I have denounced Stalinism, Marxism-Leninism and all groups that support forming hierarchical structures of dominance/vanguard parties on here a number of times. I have pointed out that historically, they have always betrayed (i.e. murdered) anarchists. Anarchists despise tankies a lot more than right-wing libertarians do because we actually have a historical reason to. Right-wing libertarians have never had any skin in the game, so their pretense of caring is just comical.


"The anarcho-communists do not deny the need for coordination between groups, for discipline, for meticulous planning, and for unity in action. But they believe that coordination, discipline, planning, and unity in action must be achieved voluntarily, by means of a self-discipline nourished by conviction and understanding, not by coercion and a mindless, unquestioning obedience to orders from above. They seek to achieve the effectiveness imputed to centralism by means of voluntarism and insight, not by establishing a hierarchical, centralized structure. Depending upon needs or circumstances, affinity groups can achieve this effectiveness through assemblies, action committees, and local, regional or national conferences. But they vigorously oppose the establishment of an organizational structure that becomes an end in itself, of committees that linger on after their practical tasks have been completed, of a "leadership" that reduces the "revolutionary" to a mindless robot."

- Murray Bookchin (From "Listen, Marxist!", 1969)

On September 19 2019 22:23 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On September 18 2019 07:02 Loco wrote: The Stoics, just as Aristotle later presented it, believed that "man is a political animal" and they taught that you could only live virtuously if you were engaged in civic life and helping your fellow men. The Epicureans withdrew from political life entirely because they saw it as too troubling and frustrating and that went against their ultimate aim of attaining tranquility through pleasure. The never-ending "battle" of introverts and extroverts   On September 18 2019 20:59 Stroggoz wrote: some cultures view death as a pretty good thing. Thracians about 2500 years ago for example celebrated when someone died and mourned when someone was born (because of all the suffering they would have to endure). I personally am pretty indifferent. Weird. We're somewhat descendants of Thracians (and obviously a bunch of others) and was also taught that in school. I never ended actually checking the fact and I was taught quite a lot of shit in history in class, so assumed it was just a folks-tale given to little kids in history books, but if you know about that then it must've been true. It was a thing left in my mind from around 4th grade.

haha never believe anything in school, or anything i write for that matter, i read it from an extremely unreliable historian named herodotus, in the same book he also claims africa has goatmen, ethiopians have black coloured semen, and giant ants mine gold for India to pay their tribute to the persian empire. he also made a claim that a spartan king defeated persia with only several thousand hoplites. So it may be true it's not too likely to be true but then again it's not something you'd expect to be a lie.

There is still at least one existing culture that still celebrates death and mourns birth, the Rajasthani Tribe. Gnostics, Manicheans, Priscillians, Bogomils and Cathars also had similar beliefs in that they believed procreation was evil.

Herodotus is considered "the father" of history and am pretty sure he was living in current Bulgarian territories for some time, so prob same data source as my kid history books

lmao that communism subreddit reddit: "marxist answers only"; unashamedy worshiping the marxist religion eh.

On September 20 2019 06:27 Loco wrote: Thanks Richard (and Stroggoz as well) I'm such a tankie enabler, that's why they ban me from their subs when I counter their propaganda. When you have to lie so desperately to try to get the upper hand in a debate...

enablers get the bullet too I guess lol

On September 20 2019 06:48 Loco wrote: "Plato's political philosophy has been the subject of much criticism. In Plato's Republic, Socrates is highly critical of democracy and proposes an aristocracy ruled by philosopher-kings. Plato's political philosophy has thus often been considered totalitarian." (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato's_political_philosophy) Nice try, fail better next time. Zeno's anarchist views were not common in Ancient Greece at all.

What does Socrates has to do with what we are talking about?

What I meant is that people 2500 years ago don't have much weight into 21th century economic models, the same way you take Marcus Aurelius views on the importance of military life with a grain of salt, I thought it was quite obvious when I mentioned the S&P500 -_-

"Politics" didn't do anything to me, living in a society where I felt like I didn't belong did. Seeing people toil away trying to pursue the American Dream only to ruin themselves and create broken families (of which I am a part of) did. Being taken advantage of by people who have been taught to only think of themselves did. Losing friends to drug addictions because they cannot cope with the reality of our world and because this society is not set up to be able to help them did. Learning about "politics" made me become more aware, and that's not always a pleasant thing, but I happen to be more joyful now than I have ever been.

I've also had friends who were murdered, who killed themselves, who died of drugaddiction, I don't blame the economic model though.

Well good to know you are happier, I am happier now that I'm less engaged, so again, I think epicureans had a point, not only in regards to politics and thats what I mean both philosphies not only can co-exist but can be complimentary.

you sharing his talking points and economic ideology (an ideology that serves to advance fascism)

oh the good old "you like the free market, you are a fascist" argument again? lol.

both can play this game, you'd like to erradicate the free market, so you share that with Stalin, ergo you are indeed a tankie.

as well as showing proof that you are literally taking the word of fascists on the internet as accurate and sharing their tweets.[/quote[ Tweets exposing how shitty Antifa is aren't going to be from people you like, surprise! [quote] I have denounced Stalinism, Marxism-Leninism and all groups that support forming hierarchical structures of dominance/vanguard parties on here a number of times.

And I denoucne any form of ethnostate, ethnicity/sexuality/gender based unity, don't like the concept of nations, I've even said culture is worthless but that hasn't stopped you from mischaracterizing me has it?

I have pointed out that historically, they have always betrayed anarchists. Anarchists despise tankies a lot more than right-wing libertarians do because we actually have a historical reason to. Right-wing libertarians have never had any skin in the game, so their pretense of caring is just comical.

What is comical is you adhering to the history of people long dead across the globe, you are just some guy in Canada with some silly ideas, you haven't fought shit, you don't have any more or less skin in the game than I do

Identity politics are disgusting.

Oh, another day. Tomorrow I get to bust my ass for a meagre living. I don't even mind the meagre living much it's the busting my ass that gets tiresome. All to die one day. Any day now. Shouldn't that fire me up? I have realized that I've really fallen into routines and comforts. I had a text conversation with a really awesome friend today. I read the previous one from December. I have not really changed at all except I stopped shoehorning "wage slavery" and "comrade" into a every text. We are both on the fence with AA. It's hard. Difficult. You crash your life into the ground as bad as we did and then have this entity that was their to help us back on our feet it's tough to part. You gotta go into AA situations with the "Marxist approved" bullshit like in a Communism 101 sub-reddit. The prime one being that there is a God's will that we can live in and that the only way to get there is to pray for it.

I need friends. We've been through this before. This is not a lecture these are meditations. That's why they are repetitive. I need to get out of my comfort zone. I am going to die for crying out loud! As great as reading and re-reading "Infinite Jest" are there are other cool things outside too. My work schedule actually does make this difficult but it's still an excuse.

How is a sober 35 year old going to meet people?

Serious question.

Camus says that our first duty is to happiness. That we must will happiness if need be. Depending on how one interprets the ladder I think it's a bunch of crap. Can someone with severe depression will themselves to happiness?

I actually can get down with the whole absurdist view that we try to find meaning in a world without meaning and that we aren't actually living if we are searching for meaning. Our first duty is to happiness even with how fleeting it is. What about ethics? Ethics and happiness are surely linked. You can't be going around killing brown people on the beach and expect to have much joy in your life.

Imagining Sisyphus as happy is a bit of a stttrrreeeetttccchhhh. It seems desperate to me.

I do think we all are authentic and can be authentic. Joy has many different types. Some people like the mountains, some people like the beach, and some people like the desert. I have dreams of living in the mountains. Literal dreams. Vivid dreams. I don't know if this means I should live in the mountains but I could see myself very happy in the mountains attempting to carve out a life or it could be a disaster and I would make do or not be all that happy.

In the novel "A Happy Death" by Camus the main character Mersault buys a house a way from the city of Algiers and is fraught a bit with despair at this new project but finds himself occupied putting the house in order. He resolves to wake up at dawn and go for a swim everyday and finds that things just seem to fall in place. He befriends a fisherman. etc. So, I can see this interpretation of the earlier quote as valid. Mersault in a way is willing his happiness. He had a vision of where he wanted to live and pulled the trigger and then lived life.

So, I think I have been going about this a bit wrong. The definitions for meaning or no meaning can be a bit tricky. I don't think it matters. There is a lot in life that is worthwhile. There are some carryover items like helping people or getting a great blowjob or watching a beautiful sunset but at the end of the day it's about living an authentic life with dignity and joy and THAT'S the meaning of life ....... (in a universe of no meaning but is there terrestrial meaning? Gahhhhhhhhh..... (it doesn't matter)) I like the idea of just living life and when I am living life it's not a problem but I am prone to thinking about if I am living life the right way or not. (I am not)

I want a change in jobs
I want more friends
I want a better dating life
I want to be more independent (my own apartment, different city)

These are wants that come up a lot. If I full filled all these wants would I be that much happier?

What about the Taoist view to just be content and to be like water or the birds? We are simply part of the ocean.

Here I am again ruminating on LP. I do enjoy a nice lingering contemplation like my main man Byung-Chul Han. He wrote a book about how contemplative lingering is basically the most important thing (for him). That's basically my point here. Paul Bocuse would say that cooking is the most important thing. I've talked to people with children that are convinced that is the most important thing. Sometimes I think that masturbating in the shower is really important to my happiness and most of the time it's pretty good but all that important? No. I like eating. I have grown accustom to 3 meals a day. I could probably go 30+ days without eating and staring at the wall. That sounds pretty terrible though. Yeah, I'd much rather eat a vegan Thai curry and paint.

the way to make friends at our age is doing things, hobbies etc, go to a painting class and you will eventually have friends there, go to anime conventions and eventually you will have an otaku friend circle too.

I don't feel like sleeping. So, instead of mulling over that in bed I'll get out of bed and just write stuff.

Baal,

Yeah, I hear you. All of my hobbies are solitary at the moment. There was actually an anime convention this last weekend but I didn't go. I don't know if I'm qualified to go. I love anime but I am not otaku about it. The last woman I was involved with used to do cosplay at conventions. I loved her or thought I loved her. She didn't love me. She had the most amazing breasts. Her soul was a bit tarnished. Forever tarnished. Maybe that is one of the things I liked about her. Really a truly remarkable woman that *beep*.

I spent the day at Kiahwah Island. I probably spelt that wrong but I don't really give a fuck. It is an island for rich (white) people to buy multimillion dollar houses and play golf. Rather ridiculous. I couldn't help be a little resentful of everything. Why did I go? IDK, I figured it would be something novel. I kind of like the idea of staring absurdity in the face and saying fuck it dude. I didn't stay at home ruminating in meaning or no meaning I just fucking went to this bullshit island and had a good time.

Now, it's about time that I can keep writing stuff or I notice an unread "Fatal Strategies" by Jean Baudrillard in my bookcase. Problem is I might be up all night reading that thing. My plan was to continue re-reading "Infinite Jest" but my Kindle's battery is dead. I could go on a whole 'nother tangent about chargers and batteries and how fucked that situation can get but I won't. I guess I can conclude this paragraph with the fact that I love ending the night with re-reading a novel I love. There isn't the general danger of overstimulation that comes with good philosophy or novel literature. Oooh, I could continue re-reading "Money" by Martin Amis. I have that in book form. Maybe I will do that. Bon nuit.

They are solitary because thats how you are doing them, there are probably plenty of painting classes near you, it will motivate you, you will learn and meet people, perhaps it doesnt feel like its a thing you would do but you need to force it a bit, stop this useless self pitying rumiations and do it.

I found a class and I'm sleeping on it but most likely I'll sign up tomorrow. I was worried about work and having to call off Thursday mornings for the next 3 months or whatever it is but fuck that shit. Painting is more important than this job.

I also found a nearby Tai Chi place. I am looking to start classes there too. So, it should be fun.

Not sure who I am going to meeting at these places besides retired 60 year old women but it should be good regardless. Maybe they will like me and introduce me to their daughters.

I am still kind of wired. I drank an energy drink late to get me through the night at work plus work was ridiculous so I am writing again. I don't really have much to write tonight though. I may just read some Tao Te Ching or Infinite Jest until it's time for me to sleep.

Maybe somehow you are too picky and judgemental about people you get to know?

Could be. It's more so that I basically don't do anything outside of my house with people: Solitary walks, I eat lunch and dinner alone (unless I'm with my parents). The great thing about a bar is you can just show up and start meeting people even if it is the bartenders. Eventually, you just start meeting people next to you etc. or if you are there with friends it is even that much easier. That was my social playbook. It is basically super easy to meet people from age 21 to 29 doing that. Even now I'm sure it would be easy but I shouldn't be spending so many words on it because it is out of the equation now. I can't drink and it is stupid to hang around bars by myself drinking cranberry and fizzy water.

I signed up for a painting class. I don't particularly like the woman's art work but she is better than me and seems pretty cool so I'm giving it a go.

One moment I am perfectly content and comfortable sleeping in my bed. The next I've completely lost that feeling and can't sleep. Oh, how I long for that feeling.

I suppose I've been sleeping a lot. I am re-reading the Tao Te Ching. Much of the time I have nothing to do as suggested by the Tao Te Ching. Stay low, stay plain, stay simple. Do not want. Be contented. Etc. So, when it suggests do nothing I typically just fall asleep. Maybe that's what I'll do. Read some Tao Te Ching and fall asleep. That's how I follow the Way.