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UFC 231: Holloway vs. Ortega

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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 05 2018 07:36. Posts 11559

Date: Saturday, December 8
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 00:15 LP.net / 3:15pm PST / 6:15pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 2:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 4:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
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Main Card (PPV)

Max Holloway (19-3) vs. Brian Ortega (14-0) (Featherweight Championship)
Valentina Shevchenko (15-3) vs. Joanna Jedrzejczyk (15-2) (Women's Flyweight Championship)
Alex Oliveira (19-5-1) vs. Gunnar Nelson (16-3-1) (Welterweight)
Hakeem Dawodu (8-1-1) vs. Kyle Bochniak (8-3) (Featherweight)
Jimi Manuwa (17-4) vs. Thiago Santos (19-6) (Light Heavyweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Claudia Gadelha (16-3) vs. Nina Ansaroff (9-5) (Women's Strawweight)
Katlyn Chookagian (11-1) vs. Jessica Eye (13-6) (Women's Flyweight)
Eryk Anders (11-2) vs. Elias Theodorou (15-2) (Middleweight)
Olivier Aubin-Mercier (11-3) vs. Gilbert Burns (13-3) (Lightweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Devin Clark (9-2) vs. Aleksandar Rakic (10-1) (Light Heavyweight)
Brad Katona (7-0) vs. Matthew Lopez (10-3) (Bantamweight)
Chad Laprise (13-3) vs. Dhiego Lima (12-7) (Welterweight)
Carlos Diego Ferreira (13-2) vs. Jesse Ronson (20-8) (Lightweight)

Other

- Antonio Carlos Junior and The Ultimate Fighter: Nations middleweight winner Elias Theodorou was initially scheduled to take place at UFC Fight Night: Santos vs. Anders. However, Junior pulled out on August 28 due to injury. The pairing was then rescheduled for this event. In turn, on September 13, it was reported that Junior was forced to withdraw as a surgery is required to treat the injury that caused the first cancellation of this bout. On October 1, it was reported that Eryk Anders would replace him.
- A featherweight bout between Renato Moicano and Mirsad Bektic was expected to take place at the event. However, Bektic was forced out of the bout due to an undisclosed injury on November 15. In turn, Moicano is not expected to compete and instead will serve as a "replacement" option in the event that one of the headlining participants is unable to fight at the event.
- John Makdessi was expected to face Carlos Diego Ferreira at the event. However, Makdessi pulled out of the fight on November 28 and was replaced by returning veteran Jesse Ronson that same day.

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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 05 2018 07:41. Posts 11559







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First impression of the match-ups:

• Ortega > Holloway
• Shevchenko > Jedrzejczyk
• Oliveira > Nelson
• Bochniak > Dawodu
• Santos > Manuwa
• Gadelha > Ansaroff
• Chookagian > Eye
• Theodorou > Anders
• Mercier > Burns
• Rakic > Clark
• Lopez > Katona
• Laprise > Lima
• Ferreira > Ronson

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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Dec 05 2018 14:48. Posts 1581

Can't wait for this.

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alejandicto   . Dec 05 2018 18:56. Posts 822

Nice card

I am gonna bet on Holloway, Nelson and Manuwa


Baalim   Mexico. Dec 05 2018 21:32. Posts 33136


  On December 05 2018 06:41 PuertoRican wrote:


First impression of the match-ups:

• Ortega > Holloway
• Shevchenko > Jedrzejczyk




Really ortega > holloway, why?


I also think Shevchenko will beat Jedrzejzyk

... lol those lastnames are hard to spell

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Dec 05 2018 23:37. Posts 8900

I mean Shevchenko is 3-0 vs Jedrejzcyk and its not like the MMA rules will change much. It's not like Joanna grapples or clinches. It would be such a bad idea to try to clinch with Shevchenko, considering she seems to be so much stronger, she could probably brute force herself in a better position every time

If Holloway comes out with his A game I dont see Ortega winning, unless he somehow manages to be in his face all the time or throw a random 1 hit KO. Then again Holloway most likely s gonna have a super hard weight cut... Media trying to push Ortega with the "only guy to ever KO Frankie Edgar" ... Frankie Edgar is 37 fuckin years old. He might be an absolute legend, but age is age.

 Last edit: 06/12/2018 00:13

PuertoRican   United States. Dec 06 2018 03:43. Posts 11559


  On December 05 2018 20:32 Baalim wrote:
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Really ortega > holloway, why?


I also think Shevchenko will beat Jedrzejzyk

... lol those lastnames are hard to spell

- Ortega is probably 1 inch shorter or so (UFC/Wikipedia shows 5'8, but I think that's wrong)
- Both have the same reach (Max has short arms for being 5'11)
- Ortega has the grappling advantage by a large amount and doesn't need wrestling to get it to the mat (his wrestling sucks, but he has multiple ways to get an opponent down)
- Max starts slow, which benefits Ortega
- Ortega striking has gotten better; it's not as good as Max's and Max has more output, but Ortega's MMA striking is underrated
- Ortega has a great chin, while Max relies on volume strikes
- Max needs to fight on the outside the entire time to win. If he wins, I think it will be by decision.
- Max pulled out of his last fight against Ortega in July 2018 cuz he had "concussion like symptoms." Nobody really knows the truth. If Max is even just 1% worse because of what happened in July, it opens another door for Ortega. If I was betting Max to win, I'd be worried about my bet cuz I don't know if he is going into this fight at 100% health or not.

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lucky331   . Dec 06 2018 04:04. Posts 1124


  On December 05 2018 20:32 Baalim wrote:
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Really ortega > holloway, why?




because mexicans are tough as nails. viva mexico!

no sarcasm.


Baalim   Mexico. Dec 06 2018 08:35. Posts 33136


  On December 05 2018 22:37 Spitfiree wrote:
I mean Shevchenko is 3-0 vs Jedrejzcyk and its not like the MMA rules will change much.



what are you talking about?

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Dec 06 2018 10:07. Posts 8900

Shevchenko is like a 10 time Muay Thai world champ, she met Jedrejzcyk 3 times and beat her all 3 times.


iakim322   United States. Dec 06 2018 18:09. Posts 1334

Valentina had been training since she was younger and was a lot more experienced than Joanna at the time who was relatively young in combat sports. And yes MMA rules do change the fight even if it's contested mostly on the feet. With that said, I think Valentina still wins but I also think Joanna is going to surprise most with a good performance

Actually see Max getting a late stoppage in the main. As long as his health issues are behind him

Manuwa for the upset


[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Dec 06 2018 22:38. Posts 1581

i think schevchenko crushes joanna too.

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lucky331   . Dec 07 2018 05:23. Posts 1124

don't know about crush. it will be close. there's value in the polish girl.


drone666   Brasil. Dec 07 2018 08:23. Posts 1730

I dont think it will be close, JJ usually gets hit a lot, doesnt seem to have a very good distance awareness, and Valentina is a master here

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Dec 07 2018 11:16. Posts 8900





Max looks pretty healthy so far, lets see the weigh ins later today

 Last edit: 07/12/2018 12:57

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Dec 07 2018 17:38. Posts 8900



Weigh ins

Holloway looks pretty good.

 Last edit: 07/12/2018 17:39

iakim322   United States. Dec 07 2018 20:45. Posts 1334

Ironically I thought Ortega was the one who looked drained on the scale and Max looked fine. Never seen Ortega weigh in before though so maybe that's normal for him

Joanna looked great not having to cut to 115. Too bad for her that the judges gave Nunes the close win vs Valentina otherwise Valentina would've stayed at 135 and Joanna prob could've had a stranglehold on the weight class she actually belonged at this entire time


lucky331   . Dec 08 2018 01:57. Posts 1124


  On December 07 2018 07:23 drone666 wrote:
I dont think it will be close, JJ usually gets hit a lot, doesnt seem to have a very good distance awareness, and Valentina is a master here



true. but we'll see. excited for this one nonetheless


PuertoRican   United States. Dec 08 2018 04:14. Posts 11559




Max Holloway (144.5) vs. Brian Ortega (144.75)
Valentina Shevchenko (123.5) vs. Joanna Jedrzejczyk (123.75)
Alex Oliveira (171) vs. Gunnar Nelson (170.25)
Hakeem Dawodu (145.75) vs. Kyle Bochniak (145)
Jimi Manuwa (204.75) vs. Thiago Santos (205.75)
Claudia Gadelha (115.5) vs. Nina Ansaroff (115.25)
Katlyn Chookagian (125.75) vs. Jessica Eye (126)
Eryk Anders (186) vs. Elias Theodorou (184.5)
Olivier Aubin-Mercier (155.75) vs. Gilbert Burns (155.75)
Devin Clark (205) vs. Aleksandar Rakic (206)
Brad Katona (135.5) vs. Matthew Lopez (135.5)
Chad Laprise (171) vs. Dhiego Lima (170.25)
Kyle Nelson (155.5) vs. Diego Ferreira (155.75)

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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 09 2018 00:06. Posts 11559



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My final picks:

• Ortega > Holloway
• Shevchenko > Jedrzejczyk
• Oliveira > Nelson
• Bochniak > Dawodu
• Manuwa > Santos
• Gadelha > Ansaroff
• Chookagian > Eye
• Theodorou > Anders
• Burns > Mercier
• Rakic > Clark
• Lopez > Katona
• Laprise > Lima
• Ferreira > Nelson

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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 09 2018 00:33. Posts 11559

Good comeback by Rakic... I almost lost everything in the first fight.

Good comeback by Ferreira...

And... Laprise gets knocked out with a nice hook that didn't have a ton of power on it... My night is over on DraftKings. Hopefully my televised-only teams win...

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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 09 2018 04:29. Posts 11559

That was a war between Manuwa and Santos!

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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 09 2018 06:27. Posts 11559

Shevchenko beat JJ like I thought she would.

The size, strength, and grappling were too much.

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whammbot   Belarus. Dec 09 2018 06:34. Posts 391

I think Max wins here, barring any long-term CTE that would affect how he usually fights

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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 09 2018 07:01. Posts 11559

Crazy fight between Holloway and Ortega.

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whammbot   Belarus. Dec 09 2018 07:05. Posts 391

Yeah my god that needed to stop 1 round ago. He wasn't defending himself and just looked so out of it already, that was just pure heart

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Floofy   Canada. Dec 09 2018 07:14. Posts 8692

Damn Ortega has so much heart. Max will need to move up for him to face real challenges, no one can hurt him at 145. I expected max to win, but i didn't expect such dominance.

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iakim322   United States. Dec 09 2018 08:32. Posts 1334

That performance really does shut the door on 145'ers beating him for now. Underrated strength/pop and as accurate as he's ever been. With his usual durability, length and cardio...nightmare for 45'ers. Like a 2018 Frankie Edgar getting the shot vs tonight's Max would've been a massacre. Hopefully they don't somehow still do that

Even though he'd always be a big dog, at least people can start to imagine him vs Khabib as a real fight soon. Some possibly poor matchups but also some high reward, winnable matchups too at 155 for Max


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Dec 09 2018 12:34. Posts 8900

Unfortunately the division is now cleared out. I dont see how anyone can challenge Holloway atm, he s just on another level. I hope he moves to lightweight, but that would be hard considering how much money is involved in that division with Khabib/McGregor/Diaz/Ferguson... doubt Holloway can make such a fuss to get shottons of PPVs.


Actually Zabit is coming up strong in the division, but doubt they give him a title shot right now.


  On December 09 2018 06:05 whammbot wrote:
Yeah my god that needed to stop 1 round ago. He wasn't defending himself and just looked so out of it already, that was just pure heart



Ortega probably won R3 what are you talking about :D

 Last edit: 09/12/2018 15:16

Baalim   Mexico. Dec 10 2018 02:22. Posts 33136

fucking a boring fight with Khabib, Conor vs Holloway would be amazing

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whammbot   Belarus. Dec 10 2018 04:11. Posts 391

How about El Cucuy vs Holloway? Throwing Holloway in at the LW division just makes for a ton of crazy matchups.

Askren vs Khabib

Holloway vs Ferguson vs Kevin Lee - these three vs any of the two above

Conor vs any LW who's not a wrestling monster

LW could probably generate 10 million ppvs combined

I even forgot Cowboy Cerrone who also wants to throw his hat in there at LW

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Dec 10 2018 14:53. Posts 8900

I'd rather see Ferguson vs Khabib, as would anyone I'd suppose and Holloway vs McGregor/Diaz, although I feel like Diaz would end up losing in points, Holloway would be a much smarter McGregor in that fight.
McGregor should've lost the 2nd fight w Diaz as well imo. In terms of entertainment Holloway vs McGregor would be best, in terms of actual skills Holloway vs Diaz imo

 Last edit: 10/12/2018 14:55

Baalim   Mexico. Dec 11 2018 06:45. Posts 33136

Holloway vs Ferguson would also be cool, their styles are so alike, it would be such an epic fight but as Spitfire said it would make more sense to fight Conor and let Khabib fight Ferguson

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K40Cheddar   United States. Dec 11 2018 08:05. Posts 2194


  On December 10 2018 01:22 Baalim wrote:
fucking a boring fight with Khabib, Conor vs Holloway would be amazing



Nothing boring about shit talking conor getting his ass handed to him like the little bitch he is.

GG 

Baalim   Mexico. Dec 11 2018 09:39. Posts 33136


  On December 11 2018 07:05 K40Cheddar wrote:
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Nothing boring about shit talking conor getting his ass handed to him like the little bitch he is.


Its all a show and you fall for it, I prefer that clownish over the top attitude than some fool who takes himself too seriously and cant control himself

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lucky331   . Dec 11 2018 13:17. Posts 1124


  On December 11 2018 08:39 Baalim wrote:
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Its all a show and you fall for it, I prefer that clownish over the top attitude than some fool who takes himself too seriously and cant control himself



yep. he's like andy kaufman.


drone666   Brasil. Dec 12 2018 23:39. Posts 1730

Aldo vs Moicano booked, wooo
seeing how beastly Holloway is, now I think Aldo might not be THAT past his prime
tough fight

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