UFC 228: Woodley vs. Till

On September 09 2018 05:34 lucky331 wrote: bit srsly. who should woodley fight in ww that could beat him?

Colby Covington obviously is the last chance at this point

Kamaru Usman I believe is going to be getting and holding the belt for a looong time - that guy is insane, has strong chin, has insane gas tank, hits like a truck

Woodley is gonna beat Colby, and next is Usman or probably Nick Diaz

On September 09 2018 05:47 Baalim wrote: welterweights are fucking retarded.... the bigger southpaw with huge range adv skips into Woodleys range with is left hand resting at by his stomach, what could go wrong? I don't know if its shitty coaching or whats gong on, how is this possible?

maybe is not as easy as you think? not making fun of you but seems very unlikely to me that the top coaches in the world can't see what you see

On September 09 2018 05:34 lucky331 wrote: bit srsly. who should woodley fight in ww that could beat him?

I think the best chance might actually be GSP. Thompson could maybe win a rematch.

On September 10 2018 02:06 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2018 05:34 lucky331 wrote: bit srsly. who should woodley fight in ww that could beat him? I think the best chance might actually be GSP. Thompson could maybe win a rematch.

GSP... maybe. but wonderboy would have a better chance imho because probably learned a lot after fighting the wood twice.

i wonder, seeing woodley's game, what if till was more aggressive from the beginning swarming wood. would the fight go more on till's favor, or is there something about woodley that makes opponents more cautious?

It's funny that Till didn't expect it, even though Woodley made the mistake of not being aggressive from the opening in 1st fight against Wonderboy, so he instantly decided to do that in the 2nd fight, so it was obvious he'd do it against Till as well.

i think you misunderstood. i was asking, if till played his normal game and started aggressively from the beginning, would the fight then be in his favor, or would woodley still fell him?

and is there something in woodley that makes his opponents more cautious? i think there is. it'd like they know they can't go full rory on him anymore.

final question, if till fought usman instead of woodley, who would win?

On September 09 2018 17:21 impact69 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2018 05:47 Baalim wrote: welterweights are fucking retarded.... the bigger southpaw with huge range adv skips into Woodleys range with is left hand resting at by his stomach, what could go wrong? I don't know if its shitty coaching or whats gong on, how is this possible? maybe is not as easy as you think? not making fun of you but seems very unlikely to me that the top coaches in the world can't see what you see

what are you talking about? The superior striker with longer reach jumped into the powerful stocky right hooker's range with his left at his waist early on the fight (not when phisically and mentally exhausted), this isn't 3D chess, this is "Cat Zigano rushing Ronda" level of ineptitude, either by the coach or the fighter.

Till is known for holding his hands low, and also leaping in for strikes and leaving his chin up in the air. He usually gets away with it, but he paid for it against a guy who has 1-punch KO power and is fast when he isn't tired.

It's too bad he got subbed. I don't think Tyron would've finished him with strikes after that round was over. Till started to avoid the punches and Tyron eventually stopped throwing them so he wouldn't gas himself out.

Oh well.

On September 10 2018 23:16 PuertoRican wrote: Till is known for holding his hands low, and also leaping in for strikes and leaving his chin up in the air.

I know but I figured that when you have a full training camp preparing for the champ you would drill non-stop a workaround that right hook.

If Till can't fight with his left up then you make him hand fight Woodleys lead and keep jabing always circling left and pulling his head away when the hook comes Ali-style instead of slipping, I mean come on... theres dozens of things to try against that hook, but the LAST thing you should do is give away range, skip in with hands low to throw a looping unppercut , he tried to do what Gustaffson did to Texeira and thats retarded.

i agree with baal. it was a championship fight and it might be the only championship fight till could get. what a waste.

it could mean one of two things. till is overrated or his camp is incompetent. woodley's camp on the other hand is world class and he's a super athlete. how would till have a chance to win vs that?

it also shows how good dana white is on the build up of each match up. that's why i stopped watching those videos before making a bet. i watch them after.

On September 09 2018 05:47 Baalim wrote: welterweights are fucking retarded.... the bigger southpaw with huge range adv skips into Woodleys range with is left hand resting at by his stomach, what could go wrong? I don't know if its shitty coaching or whats gong on, how is this possible?

Till didnt have much of a range advantage actually; they have about the same reach

Till got overhyped for sure. I think a lot of people, me included, were just wanting to not see Woodley as champ anymore. Credit where it's due though. Woodley has always been misguidedly whiny and has 0 personality. Still. But he's been an active champ who's knocked off the last several legitimate contenders in his weight class one after the other

Till has technical flaws to work on. Definitely on the ground where his choke defense was super suspect and as well as being the aggressor on the feet. But those can be fixed since he's still just 25 and isn't in his natural adult weight class. Pretty stupid to write him off so fast even after a pretty terrible performance. Can't compare directly but the current champ with multiple defenses at 185 was a guy cutting unnecessarily to 170 where he got knocked out by Wonderboy

Might be a point to be made about his camp though. Could be a thing where he's still been young and loyal to his roots but such a clear loss will make him look for better training prob here in the States. Not everyone can be Conor

We were just sick of Woodley running around the cage dodging shots for 5 rounds every match, while trying to hit that right arm, if he goes out like this every time he'd be a cool champion. Don't really watch the media and whining or w/e ppl say he does. It's all bs doesn't matter if its McGregor, Woodley or wheover

about till not getting another title shot. it's not about his ability. it's about the huge psychological dent this loss did to him, which i think could be a little too much.

about woodley just running around the cage. he had to vs thompson, right? i mean that was the right play, right? same with maia. but did he do that vs lawler? who, during that time, was really vicious. condit? koschek? be fair.

0 personality, sure that's true. but we're here to watch mma, not the wwe.

On September 11 2018 15:31 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2018 05:47 Baalim wrote: welterweights are fucking retarded.... the bigger southpaw with huge range adv skips into Woodleys range with is left hand resting at by his stomach, what could go wrong? I don't know if its shitty coaching or whats gong on, how is this possible? Till didnt have much of a range advantage actually; they have about the same reach

wow had to google that one but its true, I guess its the difference between fighting "tall" while Woodley us hunched over and throws mainly hooks that are shorter.

Nonetheless the point still stands, jumping into the pocket trying to hit a looping upercut against Woodly is retarded beyond comprehension.

On September 11 2018 22:07 Spitfiree wrote: We were just sick of Woodley running around the cage dodging shots for 5 rounds every match, while trying to hit that right arm, if he goes out like this every time he'd be a cool champion. Don't really watch the media and whining or w/e ppl say he does. It's all bs doesn't matter if its McGregor, Woodley or wheover

Word thats why I dislike Woodley he is the most boring champ ever and its not likle he is just playing it safe to get the win, he is actually more beatable when he was doing that passiv shit than how he looked now.

I wouldn't necessarily agree that he isn't just as safe running around. Think people underestimate how fast he is and how a misstep or an overreach could open them up to an instant KO punch, thats why he was doing it imo.

Someone like Thompson, who is much faster, has a wider range and good counter-striking etc. had major issues w Woodley

Woodley seems to have trouble against good counterstrikes as they don't let him load up, thus being the aggressor wouldn't be a good option. Thompson could've easily been given the decision in both fights for example, and he didn't exactly perform in an intelligent manner

woodley also knocked down thompson in both fights too.

a woodley vs macdonald rematch would be sweet. i don't think mac will be able to win this time.