- A featherweight bout between Yair Rodriguez and Zabit Magomedsharipov was scheduled for the event. However, Rodriguez pulled out of the fight on August 23 citing injury. He was replaced by Brandon Davis on August 28.
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 03 2018 01:03. Posts 13041
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First impression of the match-ups:
• Till > Woodley
• Shevchenko > Montano
• Magomedsharipov > Davis
• Andrade > Kowalkiewicz
• Alhassan vs. Price (dunno)
• Suarez > Esparza
• Stamann > Sterling
• Rivera > Dodson
• Byrd vs. Stewart (dunno)
• Sanchez > White
• Miller vs. White (dunno)
• Pudilova > Aldana
• Brooks vs. Sanchez (dunno)
• Neal vs. Camacho (dunno)
- Stronger (probably, but they are 2 different weight classes on fight-night; Welterweight vs. Middleweight)
- Bad cardio (this is a fact, not a guess)
- Better pure wrestling, but doesn't use it much because he gasses fast
- He doesn't have any BJJ skills and isn't good while on top of his opponents because it causes him to use a lot of energy, which makes him gas
- He has good 1-punch power, but only throws 1 punch at a time and is facing a guy with a good chin and better movement
- He always puts himself against the cage unless he's facing a guy with terrible TDD, which then he can be aggressive. Till is all about aggression and always puts his opponents against the fence. Once against the cage, Woodley will try to explode like he did against Wonderboy, but that won't work against Till because there will be more punches coming his way.
- Woodley will be dumb if he even tries to go for a TD against Till. He won't do any damage, any Till will eventually be able to get back to his feet. This means Woodley will be faking TD attempts while purely boxing against a much better boxer/striker who has every advantage in this fight except a pure wrestling advantage.
Till is better at using his size and length, just like Rory was. Wonderboy was way too tentative for his own good. Plus Woodley has got the patience of a monk in throwing that overhand right so waiting for him to come to you is counterproductive as he never will. Till can beat him because he's got power in his hands and feet and Woodley respects that and trying to take down Till is going to be hard since he's one big dude.
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 04 2018 20:13. Posts 13041
Only odds for Woodley are if he manages to run long enough to do that one shot miracle before getting demolished no?
I wonder why you believe he has no gas tank btw @PR ... 3 5round fights vs pretty tough opponents which he won last 3 fights , he s had a year off, which might be problematic tho
I really wanna see Zabit make it look easy again so he can get a shot at the top dogs, guy seems so fucking good
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hiems United States. Sep 05 2018 03:25. Posts 2979
can someone start ggg vs canelo 2 thread?
I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img]
On September 04 2018 15:42 whammbot wrote:
Till is better at using his size and length, just like Rory was. Wonderboy was way too tentative for his own good. Plus Woodley has got the patience of a monk in throwing that overhand right so waiting for him to come to you is counterproductive as he never will. Till can beat him because he's got power in his hands and feet and Woodley respects that and trying to take down Till is going to be hard since he's one big dude.
true. leaning towards woody but will wait til weigh ins.
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 05 2018 22:00. Posts 13041
On September 05 2018 02:25 hiems wrote:
can someone start ggg vs canelo 2 thread?
Go for it.
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iakim322 United States. Sep 06 2018 05:23. Posts 1335
Like Till a lot here assuming he's still healthy after the weight cut. Prob boring early, both trying to counter. But Till seems durable if he does get caught a little early. Then I think he ramps it up and Woodley won't be able to get away with hanging off the cage like he does mid-late against someone who's just as long as Rory and Thompson were...with more raw power
Like Karolina, Rivera, White, and Sterling elsewhere
So as long as Till keeps a long left arm hand fighting and throwing jabs like Rory did its going to be hard for Woodley to connect with the overhand given Till's height, so he will have to time it to KO Till and Woodley isn't very good at drawing an attack and timing the counter.
and woodley should give till something to think about. as soon as till rushes forward, woodley should give him a big right hand on the body, or a double leg.
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 06 2018 19:22. Posts 13041
From the very few videos i have seen of those 2 girls
Nicco Montanos standup looked really shit level ...
like a real beginner who trained for maybe only about 1 year....
Shevchenko on the other hand looked pretty solid
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 08 2018 02:40. Posts 13041
Tyron Woodley (170) vs. Darren Till (169) - Kamaru Usman (169) weighed in as main event alternate
Jessica Andrade (116) vs. Karolina Kowalkiewicz (115)
Zabit Magomedsharipov (146) vs. Brandon Davis (146)
Abdul Razak Alhassan (170.5) vs. Niko Price (170.5)
Jimmie Rivera (136) vs. John Dodson (135.5)
Carla Esparza (115.5) vs. Tatiana Suarez (115)
Aljamain Sterling (135.5) vs. Cody Stamann (135.5)
Geoff Neal (170.5) vs. Frank Camacho (171)
Charles Byrd (185) vs. Darren Stewart (185.5)
Diego Sanchez (171) vs. Craig White (171)
Jim Miller (155.5) vs. Alex White (155)
Irene Aldana (135) vs. Lucie Pudilova (134)
Jarred Brooks (125.5) vs. Roberto Sanchez (126)
Cancelled
Nicco Montano (did not step on the scale) vs. Valentina Shevchenko (124.5)
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 08 2018 23:24. Posts 13041
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My final picks:
• Till > Woodley
• Magomedsharipov > Davis
• Andrade > Kowalkiewicz
• Alhassan > Price
• Suarez > Esparza
• Stamann > Sterling
• Rivera > Dodson
• Byrd > Stewart
• White > Sanchez
• White > Miller
• Aldana > Pudilova
• Brooks > Sanchez
• Camacho > Neal
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 08 2018 23:44. Posts 13041
Well, my read on Roberto Sanchez was way off.
He didn't do shit in this fight. WTF???
He is a Draculino black belt, and showed NOTHING on the ground...
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 09 2018 00:16. Posts 13041
If I had to describe the Irene Aldana vs. Lucie Pudilova fight in one word, it would be: SLOBBERKNOCKER
Those two ladies went to WAR...
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 09 2018 00:58. Posts 13041
Both Jim Miller and Diego Sanchez won a fight... on the same UFC card...
WOW~
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 09 2018 01:51. Posts 13041
what did you guys expect would happen? Till was overhyped.
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LikeASet United States. Sep 09 2018 05:26. Posts 2113
On September 09 2018 04:10 PuertoRican wrote:
Sigh...
I was hoping Till would fuck that annoying bitch up.
seriously, "Whenever I call someone out, I never get the response I should get."
Woodley is a horrible promoter, blames everyone else instead of him just having a shitty personality. Till was the closest chance we had to Woodley getting KTFO especially since Till just showed us his chin is strong as fk. Sadly I don't think GSP has a better chance since he can't afford to make a single mistake against Woodley.
welterweights are fucking retarded.... the bigger southpaw with huge range adv skips into Woodleys range with is left hand resting at by his stomach, what could go wrong?
I don't know if its shitty coaching or whats gong on, how is this possible?
On September 09 2018 05:34 lucky331 wrote:
bit srsly. who should woodley fight in ww that could beat him?
Colby Covington obviously is the last chance at this point
Kamaru Usman I believe is going to be getting and holding the belt for a looong time - that guy is insane, has strong chin, has insane gas tank, hits like a truck
On September 09 2018 05:47 Baalim wrote:
welterweights are fucking retarded.... the bigger southpaw with huge range adv skips into Woodleys range with is left hand resting at by his stomach, what could go wrong?
I don't know if its shitty coaching or whats gong on, how is this possible?
maybe is not as easy as you think? not making fun of you but seems very unlikely to me that the top coaches in the world can't see what you see
On September 09 2018 05:34 lucky331 wrote:
bit srsly. who should woodley fight in ww that could beat him?
I think the best chance might actually be GSP. Thompson could maybe win a rematch.
GSP... maybe. but wonderboy would have a better chance imho because probably learned a lot after fighting the wood twice.
i wonder, seeing woodley's game, what if till was more aggressive from the beginning swarming wood. would the fight go more on till's favor, or is there something about woodley that makes opponents more cautious?
It's funny that Till didn't expect it, even though Woodley made the mistake of not being aggressive from the opening in 1st fight against Wonderboy, so he instantly decided to do that in the 2nd fight, so it was obvious he'd do it against Till as well.
i think you misunderstood. i was asking, if till played his normal game and started aggressively from the beginning, would the fight then be in his favor, or would woodley still fell him?
and is there something in woodley that makes his opponents more cautious? i think there is. it'd like they know they can't go full rory on him anymore.
final question, if till fought usman instead of woodley, who would win?
On September 09 2018 05:47 Baalim wrote:
welterweights are fucking retarded.... the bigger southpaw with huge range adv skips into Woodleys range with is left hand resting at by his stomach, what could go wrong?
I don't know if its shitty coaching or whats gong on, how is this possible?
maybe is not as easy as you think? not making fun of you but seems very unlikely to me that the top coaches in the world can't see what you see
what are you talking about? The superior striker with longer reach jumped into the powerful stocky right hooker's range with his left at his waist early on the fight (not when phisically and mentally exhausted), this isn't 3D chess, this is "Cat Zigano rushing Ronda" level of ineptitude, either by the coach or the fighter.
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 11 2018 00:16. Posts 13041
Till is known for holding his hands low, and also leaping in for strikes and leaving his chin up in the air. He usually gets away with it, but he paid for it against a guy who has 1-punch KO power and is fast when he isn't tired.
It's too bad he got subbed. I don't think Tyron would've finished him with strikes after that round was over. Till started to avoid the punches and Tyron eventually stopped throwing them so he wouldn't gas himself out.
On September 10 2018 23:16 PuertoRican wrote:
Till is known for holding his hands low, and also leaping in for strikes and leaving his chin up in the air.
I know but I figured that when you have a full training camp preparing for the champ you would drill non-stop a workaround that right hook.
If Till can't fight with his left up then you make him hand fight Woodleys lead and keep jabing always circling left and pulling his head away when the hook comes Ali-style instead of slipping, I mean come on... theres dozens of things to try against that hook, but the LAST thing you should do is give away range, skip in with hands low to throw a looping unppercut , he tried to do what Gustaffson did to Texeira and thats retarded.
i agree with baal. it was a championship fight and it might be the only championship fight till could get. what a waste.
it could mean one of two things. till is overrated or his camp is incompetent. woodley's camp on the other hand is world class and he's a super athlete. how would till have a chance to win vs that?
it also shows how good dana white is on the build up of each match up. that's why i stopped watching those videos before making a bet. i watch them after.
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traxamillion United States. Sep 11 2018 16:31. Posts 10468
On September 09 2018 05:47 Baalim wrote:
welterweights are fucking retarded.... the bigger southpaw with huge range adv skips into Woodleys range with is left hand resting at by his stomach, what could go wrong?
I don't know if its shitty coaching or whats gong on, how is this possible?
Till didnt have much of a range advantage actually; they have about the same reach
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iakim322 United States. Sep 11 2018 19:27. Posts 1335
Till got overhyped for sure. I think a lot of people, me included, were just wanting to not see Woodley as champ anymore. Credit where it's due though. Woodley has always been misguidedly whiny and has 0 personality. Still. But he's been an active champ who's knocked off the last several legitimate contenders in his weight class one after the other
Till has technical flaws to work on. Definitely on the ground where his choke defense was super suspect and as well as being the aggressor on the feet. But those can be fixed since he's still just 25 and isn't in his natural adult weight class. Pretty stupid to write him off so fast even after a pretty terrible performance. Can't compare directly but the current champ with multiple defenses at 185 was a guy cutting unnecessarily to 170 where he got knocked out by Wonderboy
Might be a point to be made about his camp though. Could be a thing where he's still been young and loyal to his roots but such a clear loss will make him look for better training prob here in the States. Not everyone can be Conor
We were just sick of Woodley running around the cage dodging shots for 5 rounds every match, while trying to hit that right arm, if he goes out like this every time he'd be a cool champion. Don't really watch the media and whining or w/e ppl say he does. It's all bs doesn't matter if its McGregor, Woodley or wheover
about till not getting another title shot. it's not about his ability. it's about the huge psychological dent this loss did to him, which i think could be a little too much.
about woodley just running around the cage. he had to vs thompson, right? i mean that was the right play, right? same with maia. but did he do that vs lawler? who, during that time, was really vicious. condit? koschek? be fair.
0 personality, sure that's true. but we're here to watch mma, not the wwe.
On September 09 2018 05:47 Baalim wrote:
welterweights are fucking retarded.... the bigger southpaw with huge range adv skips into Woodleys range with is left hand resting at by his stomach, what could go wrong?
I don't know if its shitty coaching or whats gong on, how is this possible?
Till didnt have much of a range advantage actually; they have about the same reach
wow had to google that one but its true, I guess its the difference between fighting "tall" while Woodley us hunched over and throws mainly hooks that are shorter.
Nonetheless the point still stands, jumping into the pocket trying to hit a looping upercut against Woodly is retarded beyond comprehension.
On September 11 2018 22:07 Spitfiree wrote:
We were just sick of Woodley running around the cage dodging shots for 5 rounds every match, while trying to hit that right arm, if he goes out like this every time he'd be a cool champion. Don't really watch the media and whining or w/e ppl say he does. It's all bs doesn't matter if its McGregor, Woodley or wheover
Word thats why I dislike Woodley he is the most boring champ ever and its not likle he is just playing it safe to get the win, he is actually more beatable when he was doing that passiv shit than how he looked now.
I wouldn't necessarily agree that he isn't just as safe running around. Think people underestimate how fast he is and how a misstep or an overreach could open them up to an instant KO punch, thats why he was doing it imo.
Someone like Thompson, who is much faster, has a wider range and good counter-striking etc. had major issues w Woodley
Woodley seems to have trouble against good counterstrikes as they don't let him load up, thus being the aggressor wouldn't be a good option. Thompson could've easily been given the decision in both fights for example, and he didn't exactly perform in an intelligent manner
