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RiKD   United States. May 11 2018 20:40. Posts 8506 | | |
Employers love for their employees to work a lot of productive hours just as long as they don't have to pay for insurance or shell out paid vacations. They love the word "part-time" but don't like if their employers are working 2 jobs. They don't care if their employees are struggling to pay rent or eating ramen for every meal as long as they show up and are good worker bees.
This criticism of neoliberal economics is the future. Criticism of education. Criticism of culture.
Donald Trump being president doesn't mean ANYONE can be president like a lot of people are saying. It's silly. There will be a Bernie 2.0 that comes along or even a number of them. I am not sure if that is Elizabeth Warren.
I still haven't figured out if Kanye would really be for the people or just to position himself to be a billionaire and massage his ego. |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 11 2018 21:08. Posts 9634 | | |
| On May 11 2018 18:52 Loco wrote:
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The USA is the only country in the world which would eat up that kind of a campaign and it only barely did so because he was running against Hillary, and tbh If I were American and was forced to vote I would've voted for him instead of Hillary as well, to punish the system and the people voting for Hillary |
Your vote wouldn't punish "the system" or anyone though. It would have just wasted some time out of your day. In any case, that was the big lie that everyone ate up, wasn't it? The idea that Trump was his own man and he wasn't going to be a mere puppet of the establishment like Hilary? It's unclear from your post whether you still believe that's true or would simply have been duped at the time.
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You're right about punishing the system, the only way to do so is by not voting on a global scale. I understand why your reasoning on the other part comes like that, but I wouldnt do it for those reasons. Hilary is a proven psychopath backed by the corporations, while the only thing Trump had proven is to be an idiot, with failing businesses (before any fanboy starts arguing on this - the facts are simple - he did not fund his own campaign, he did not release his tax records) and poor conman's skills. Then again the latter would only mean he's the easiest target for certain lobbyists as we can see
Also the real reason behind NK/SK "peace" is China and Russia. They finally enabled the mass sanctions, which would've definitely led to a revolution in NK. The masses are fed a different story and Trump will probably even get a Peace Nobel because of it. We can fast forward a few years in the future and the story between SK and NK will be the same. They have already struck peace before when NK were suffering |
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qwe5408   . May 11 2018 21:17. Posts 16 | | |
| On May 11 2018 08:05 RiKD wrote:
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On May 11 2018 07:25 NewbSaibot wrote:
My only issue with him is that he didnt deserve the win, it was simply handed to him as a "fuck you" to everyone by a loudmouthed minority |
Oh, he deserved the win alright. He ran an incredible campaign.
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you're giving this guy way too much credit. he is a fad diet or a popular self help book. he appealed to people who desperately wanted to believe in change or people who were too exhausted from all the campaigning to make a well conceived decision. and yea im sure he appealed to some vile people too.
but it's not some brilliant, strategic, underdog success story. |
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GoTuNk   Chile. May 11 2018 21:31. Posts 2860 | | |
Best American president of this century, maybe he can even end up there with the very best of the past. Can't wait to enjoy leftist tears when he steamrolls for his second term.
Will just comment on this point:
*Terrible social media user*
*Wins Presidency* * Destroys mainstream media against him* *Wins Second Term* |
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RiKD   United States. May 11 2018 22:10. Posts 8506 | | |
| On May 11 2018 20:17 qwe5408 wrote:
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On May 11 2018 08:05 RiKD wrote:
| On May 11 2018 07:25 NewbSaibot wrote:
My only issue with him is that he didnt deserve the win, it was simply handed to him as a "fuck you" to everyone by a loudmouthed minority |
Oh, he deserved the win alright. He ran an incredible campaign.
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you're giving this guy way too much credit. he is a fad diet or a popular self help book. he appealed to people who desperately wanted to believe in change or people who were too exhausted from all the campaigning to make a well conceived decision. and yea im sure he appealed to some vile people too.
but it's not some brilliant, strategic, underdog success story. |
America LOVES fad diets and popular self help books.
A brilliant, strategic, underdog success story is exactly what it is.
It also shows the sad shape our culture is in. It makes me want to vomit. It reminds me of the movie Idiocracy. |
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Floofy   Canada. May 11 2018 23:31. Posts 8708 | | |
| On May 11 2018 04:43 NMcNasty wrote:
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* racist
* compulsive liar
* corrupt
* inexperienced
Nothing on the list so far has anything to do with political stances. Trump becomes even worse if you start to care about healthcare, the environment, the debt, not starting WW3, etc..
But no, Americans aren’t “suffering” under Trump currently, but that’s due to several factors:
The economy was doing really well when he took office, 8 years of solid recovery from the financial crisis under Obama.
Tax cuts and gutting environmental regulations are good for the economy short term. The price might not be felt till decades later.
Trump failed to repeal Obamacare. You don’t have the inevitable sickness/deaths that would have occurred otherwise.
Democrats managed to negotiate to maintain funding for other social programs, in exchange for agreeing to increase military spending. So Americans don’t “suffer” from the loss of these programs, but again, the cost is a significant debt increase.
So yeah most Americans can’t at all feel the effects of Trump and politics is just theater. As long as he sticks it to the libs on Twitter and is funny he’ll hold to his ~40% approval rating, which is historically low, but still disturbingly high given how obvious of a shitstain he is. |
This is pretty much all true.
Unfortunatly, i think a lot of americans will think the same as my grandma used to think "well, i'm happy under this president, let's keep voting him". |
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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 12 2018 00:34. Posts 5296 | | |
| On May 11 2018 16:53 NMcNasty wrote:
Your own chart shows wages increasing, so that's hardly an argument for "suffering". Inequality is a different issue. You also aren't using any basis for comparison, its certainly not past America or other industrialized nations. American recovery has been much stronger than the European version precisely because of the stimulus package (not exactly sure why you're bringing that up here?).
But I'm generally with you (and Bernie and Piketty) that there are systemic problems with capitalism, just not the point where its worth throwing away votes for. I suspect many Bernie supporters were left disgruntled from the primaries (somewhat reasonably) and didn't vote. They weren't old enough to have learned the lesson from Nader in 2000. |
ok, perhaps this chart is the one i should have shown since it shows the era before neoliberalism:
wages stagnant. It's happened in all countries that have undergone the more extreme neoliberal reform. New Zealand is the same in that wages have stagnated since the 1980's. Yes, the stimulus package was better than none, it just wasn't big enough, that's krugman's point. I brang it up because Obama ignored the advice of economists like Krugman and that's why the economy looks like it did before the recession, that's not a good thing. I think my standards are very reasonable, given the rise in productivity; poverty, hunger, and extreme inequality shouldn't exist. |
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Baalim   Mexico. May 12 2018 05:03. Posts 34246 | | |
That graph isn't actually that bad, having steady income to inflation is ok, and you blame neoliberal economy yet the government is the one burning trillions in military and debt payments, its the failure of the government not the economic model (unless you consider the control of the budget as part of neoliberal economy, if so, then I agree with you) |
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Baalim   Mexico. May 12 2018 05:07. Posts 34246 | | |
I agree with Stroggoz that these criticism about racism, bigot, pussy grabber and stuff like that are for idiots (true or not), pollicy is what matters, who gives a shit if he fucks pornstars ffs.
I also agree with Loco that its clear now that Trump wasnt the anti-establishment guy he advertized to be, and I believe it was greatly to the masive battering he got recently elected, he probably felt he had to compromise and submit or he would lose the presidency fast. |
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Baalim   Mexico. May 12 2018 05:08. Posts 34246 | | |
Anybody has seen Homeland's last season? they draw a parallel with Trump in a pretty interesting non-partisan way. |
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whammbot   Belarus. May 12 2018 14:56. Posts 518 | | |
I watched homeland last season because I'm already balls deep invested in that show. Sometimes I just facepalm whenever she fucks up her life again and people trust her AGAIn. lmao |
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RiKD   United States. May 12 2018 18:33. Posts 8506 | | |
Trump is part of the American culture that needs to die. Born into the American dream everything about him is gaudy. It's like he's conned all these suckers that his semen tastes good and they swallow it up. |
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