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NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 22 2018 18:17. Posts 4943

^ well I've always struggled with training when it comes to emulation vs application. I learn best as a doer vs study. I have to actually play and make mistakes to realize what's going on. So to answer your question, I improve through the following:

Playing

Looking at opponent hole cards (ignition lets you download these whether they mucked or not), this is insanely valuable for understanding how a lot of players approach hands

Watching Doug Polk vids

Watching Live at the bike (Bart Hansen does an excellent commentary/practically free coaching through this)

Reading "PAHWM (Play a hand with me)" threads on 2p2

Bouncing hands off the 2 successful poker friends I have (I dont do this often so as to avoid bugging them, but they both make 6 figures per year and are willing to talk to me)

Posting here to get berated and consider alternative points of view to poker in general

bye now 

NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 22 2018 18:41. Posts 4943

If you wait until you're ready, you'll be waiting for the rest of your life

bye now 

gawdawaful   Canada. Apr 23 2018 07:41. Posts 9012


  On April 22 2018 17:17 NewbSaibot wrote:
^ well I've always struggled with training when it comes to emulation vs application. I learn best as a doer vs study. I have to actually play and make mistakes to realize what's going on.



In case you didn't realize this, if you're playing 200NL on a 3k bankroll with no other income source, you really can't afford to make mistakes to learn. Back when poker was easy, I think most responses on forums was to have 6-12 month of living expenses put aside (range referenced as a minimum, some say 6 months some say 12, etc.)



  On April 22 2018 17:41 NewbSaibot wrote:
If you wait until you're ready, you'll be waiting for the rest of your life



That hardly applies to you. If anything you should plan.. like just a little bit. Anyways, good luck this time around.

Im only good at poker when I run goodLast edit: 23/04/2018 07:48

NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 23 2018 08:58. Posts 4943

^ well saving 20k+ will take me years at this point, since the holes in my resume are only qualifying me for entry level IT work under 40k salary. Look I get it, I'm not delusional, I recognize the risk of ruin is almost 100%. But if I dont at least try to play i'll certainly fail. I'll save future blog updates for actual results from now on though since I know how annoying it is to see someone talk about trying to succeed and only just fail fail fail

bye nowLast edit: 23/04/2018 09:14

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 23 2018 11:25. Posts 15163

Your learning plan sucks for Online poker, it's like you're ready to fail without actually trying
TBH I didn't even ask you because it was obvious without you even saying anything

93% Sure! Last edit: 23/04/2018 11:26

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 23 2018 12:53. Posts 5290

I think today's climate favors the off table study player more than the 'learn by doing it' type of player,most of the very good players today are deep into the piosolver and off table study game, and if you don't excel in that area, it is unlikely you will do well, although you may still earn a modest living. one thing you have going for you is that you are american and that means you can still make it in online poker, since the american sites are a couple years behind pokerstars in terms of skill level.

All of the approaches you listed for learning poker are not good ones, imo: watching doug polk and live at the bike is fairly useless, so is watching runitonce, and posting hands on forums is also fairly useless. If you do well for a reasonable sample on ignition poker, and want to do serious off table work, I could help you in the off table analysis area since that's the only way i study poker and it is what i excel at. Ignition is the perfect site for off table study, as well.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings 

NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 23 2018 15:52. Posts 4943

^ ok as soon as I put in 50k hands I'll seek some hand review / training / whatever. You guys think I should go back and play NL200 live? The big motivator to play on Ignition besides being on a short roll was downloading my opponents hole cards and seeing the LUL worthy hands theyre playing. I mean look at this shit lol

Hand History driven straight to this forum by DriveHUD - http://drivehud.com

NL Holdem $2(BB)
HERO ($198)
SB ($75)
BB ($243.2)
UTG ($246.68)
HJ ($251.18)
CO ($285)

Dealt to Hero Jd Qd

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $8, CO Calls $8 , HERO Raises To $35, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $27), CO Raises To $277, HERO Folds, HJ Calls $216.18 (allin)

Flop ($574.18) 7s 4c Td

Turn ($574.18) 7s 4c Td Ah

River ($574.18) 7s 4c Td Ah 6c

HJ shows Kh 6h

CO shows Kc Ac

CO wins $536.36


This is like super regular occurrence at this limit on Ignition

bye nowLast edit: 23/04/2018 16:01

gawdawaful   Canada. Apr 23 2018 19:15. Posts 9012

I'm not rooting for you to fail and I'm not bothered seeing your blog. I'm just not sure you realize the variance involved in this game. I feel like you're finding ways to stack the deck against yourself and justify it by saying you're not cut out for 9-5, or how you're being mistreated at your job, or waiting gets nothing done. Those are to all truths to some degree, but we all make sacrifices one way or another.

Look, I'm not saying don't follow your dream, I'm saying the way you are going about it now, you're making it more likely to fail than to succeed because you don't have the necessary financial buffer to withstand a downswing. I'm saying your skill set now may work for this site you're playing on, but with almost 100% certainty, your skill set in time, will either not be suffice as others catchup or as your mental capacity/capabilities deteriorate.

The reason why I brought up the car is because you obviously needed one for the job you had. That car was serving a purpose, now its a drain on your monthly expenses. If you went and got another job, shit even stocking shelves at a grocery store, that would cover your monthly expenses including food and car and pride via I dunno, helping your girlfriend out with some of the household bills, your bankroll will still be growing faster playing a lower number of hours because you're not taking your BR to pay for bills and 18% loan for your car. Knowing that your job is an acceleration towards your goal/dream will make it that much easier to grind out the mindless hours.

If you're so set on going down this path of only poker, I would personally play whatever game has the lowest variance, be it live or ignite. If ignite, I would definitely play smaller than 1/2

edit: There used to be a poker variance calculator, I'm sure you can google one and play around on it

Im only good at poker when I run goodLast edit: 23/04/2018 19:18

NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 24 2018 21:57. Posts 4943

The only problem I have with NL200 live is that the players are buying in so short and the rake is the same as 2/5 @ $7 per hand. So you get people with $80 opening for $15. Just felt like playing a super short 2/5 game. At least on IG most of the people are sitting 75-125BB.

bye nowLast edit: 24/04/2018 21:58

Baalim   Mexico. May 02 2018 07:02. Posts 34246

This blogs are pretty interesting like the old Neilley's ones, getting a glimpse into the inner workings of a self-delusion

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online 

NewbSaibot   United States. May 03 2018 05:04. Posts 4943

well neilly posted blogs painting himself as a winning player who for a variety of circumstances just didnt have a bankroll at the moment. I suppose if there's any delusion I have it's that I might someday have a bankroll

The reality is that I post here for ya'lls amusement. The only reason I still play honestly is because my game today is not the same game it was 2 years ago or 2 years before that. I'm not saying I've improved, I'm just saying I play completely different, and therefore feel I'm always in the "testing phase" of whether or not this time I will yield strong results.

The other big issue for me is how to study. I have never once seen a video, read a book, a forum post, an article, or anything meaningful whatsoever that addresses some of the ludicrous play you see at small stakes. Every training video or book tends to just focus on rather straight forward play and none of the unorthodox stuff that requires a solid week of observation to encounter. Because of this I run into lots of issues with the spastic players and just cant make the proper adjustments.

bye nowLast edit: 03/05/2018 08:18

hiems   United States. May 03 2018 15:57. Posts 2979

srs question back when u were working did you ever start a retirement account or enroll in your company's 401k?

I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img] 

NewbSaibot   United States. May 03 2018 19:10. Posts 4943


  On May 03 2018 14:57 hiems wrote:
srs question back when u were working did you ever start a retirement account or enroll in your company's 401k?



Nah, I didnt get a job paying enough to make any worthwhile contributions till I was too late in the game. Any time I got a raise I just decided to upgrade my standard of living in case I die tomorrow.

bye nowLast edit: 03/05/2018 20:16

hiems   United States. May 03 2018 21:18. Posts 2979

ok another srs question, iirc didnt u receive some sort of inheritance a couple years ago from your dad or something (correct me if I'm wrong).

I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img] 

NewbSaibot   United States. May 04 2018 19:06. Posts 4943

Yes, it was around 10k or something. It wasnt an inheritance it was just whatever was left in his checking account that gets forfeited to next of kin. I used it for the downpayment on my house, which was another example of irresponsible spending because I literally bought a house with a mortgage that ate up nearly 100% of my income so that I couldnt save, invest, etc.

bye nowLast edit: 04/05/2018 19:09

hiems   United States. May 04 2018 22:54. Posts 2979

ok, i thought it was more, i probably shouldnt even have asked.

I wrote more random shit down but i keep deleting shit gl

I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img]Last edit: 04/05/2018 22:55

NewbSaibot   United States. May 05 2018 00:19. Posts 4943

lol saul good, like I said I'll keep future blog updates relevant with actual poker results so it wont be just another eye rolling "whats his new system this time" read

bye nowLast edit: 05/05/2018 00:20

spets1   Australia. May 05 2018 18:29. Posts 2179

you have to assume full responsibility for your situation and it sounds like you are not. you are blaming your boss, or poker players that are playing erratically. you are saying that you do not study - this is just another excuse so that you can still feel like you are a winning player and the only reason you do not succeed is because maybe you have not read a book or watched a video.

Now if you fully accept that the situation is completely in your control, and only your actions can fix it. Then you have no excuses and you must do everything in your power to make better of it. So stop making excuses and accept full responsibility and the make decisions that will achieve the best results to empower you to get better at life.

hola 

NewbSaibot   United States. May 05 2018 22:57. Posts 4943

Actually I take full responsibility for my situation and blame no one, sorry you got the wrong impression.

bye nowLast edit: 06/05/2018 00:09

thewh00sel    United States. May 30 2018 16:02. Posts 2734

Sounds like u got 6mos of expenses saved up @ 500/month. Maybe you should get a stake+coaching combination that lasts at least 6 months. Sounds like the best hope to come out the other side with more poker knowledge and some income minus most of the risk.

A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims. - Ayn Rand 

 
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