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Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 07 2018 18:05. Posts 2224

yeah the presidency is at the expense of his business, obviously when you are globally loathed your brand loses value

why not have no ambition at all? is that your question?

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

RiKD    United States. Jan 07 2018 18:38. Posts 8442

His brand is what is wrong with this world. Gaudy ties at Macy's bullying celebrities. He is not a self-made millionaire. He is a fake. His hair and skin complexion are an easy tip off. For his market becoming president is obviously huge. They want to be kings without the philosophy. They rather watch network television than read Plato or Marcus Aurelius. That's the thing about it. They all dream to be this boss of the boardroom but they don't realize these guys have serious privilege and it is not real. It's hyper real. I can respect Trump funding his own campaign and the work he did on the road but for what? Why not start his own charity and try and out ego Bill Gates?

"Why not have no ambition at all? is that your question?"

No, that is not my question. There are many worthwhile projects in the world... becoming president to help rich, white males does not seem like one of them.

My issue is in how we define "success" in the USA (and world). Not in ambition. Of course ambition is often times a positive trait.

Do you see what I am saying with Trump though? Similar to what you were talking about Trump gets gifted $100 mil and a Wharton school of business education. The potential is so vast. To go into real estate, get no sleep, and run that up in line with inflation just seems kind of masturbatory to me. I am certainly not going to label that some great success. Now, I am sure in doing that he got an even greater education in real estate, deal making, etc. With $100 million and all the potential in the world there are just more worthwhile projects than barely beating inflation and becoming president. President of the USA while much of bourgeois society may think that is the pinnacle of success or status my life would look a lot different if I had $100million. While I would be spending a fair amount of time on beaches that gets old and it is time to get into the thick of some things. Which the question could be asked if I am doing this currently, locally, scalable? Not as much as I should be or could be to be honest.

If Trump is your hero great. I am not going to discount everything you say but I am going to be skeptical and suspicious of everything you say. If that whole sort of ideologies that goes with loving Trump is working for you then great. Get 5 hours of sleep, GET RICH AND KICK ASS (I think that is one of Trump's books), and chase that success and status of that particular Trump'ish social sphere. Make sure to get that particular kind of haircut, that particular kind of self tan, and again TRUMP BRAND horseshit MADE IN CHINA can be purchased at Macy's. Go forth my docile brethren! My brethren that I would pray for if I prayed.


Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 07 2018 19:17. Posts 2224

rikd what color is your skin? I didn't want to get into politics but getting sidetracked by staggering ignorance like this is my weakness

-bill gates has like $50 billion the foundation can do anything they want, $100 million wouldn't stack up at all, what are you talking about out-ego bill gates
-privilege is an excuse, of course if you tell someone something's impossible and they believe you they aren't going to fucking do it

just listen to these sour grapes yeah what kind of moron would want to be president of the united states, I just said define success with your own criteria but come up with something legitimate that's not lying to yourself like &quot;yeah I'm wandering I'm kind of a little bit good at everything&quot;


Poll: Would you take the job of president of your country if asked?
(Vote): Yes, in less than a second
(Vote): Yes, but in longer than a second
(Vote): No
(Vote): Don't know

Trump is not my hero but he's a useful example because he's so hated and it pisses people off to reintroduce them the actual perspective of someone they look down on so much is kicking their ass in many ways, which if they haven't given up should serve as a motivator

Feynman is probably my top favorite because of his unflinching commitment to deciding to use his brain all the time

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

RiKD    United States. Jan 07 2018 19:52. Posts 8442


  On January 07 2018 18:17 Santafairy wrote:
rikd what color is your skin? I didn't want to get into politics but getting sidetracked by staggering ignorance like this is my weakness

-bill gates has like $50 billion the foundation can do anything they want, $100 million wouldn't stack up at all, what are you talking about out-ego bill gates
-privilege is an excuse, of course if you tell someone something's impossible and they believe you they aren't going to fucking do it

just listen to these sour grapes yeah what kind of moron would want to be president of the united states, I just said define success with your own criteria but come up with something legitimate that's not lying to yourself like "yeah I'm wandering I'm kind of a little bit good at everything"


Poll: Would you take the job of president of your country if asked?
(Vote): Yes, in less than a second
(Vote): Yes, but in longer than a second
(Vote): No
(Vote): Don't know

Trump is not my hero but he's a useful example because he's so hated and it pisses people off to reintroduce them the actual perspective of someone they look down on so much is kicking their ass in many ways, which if they haven't given up should serve as a motivator

Feynman is probably my top favorite because of his unflinching commitment to deciding to use his brain all the time



I'm white. Does that discount that Trump was/is incredibly privileged?

According to the internet Donald Trump has 3 billion. He could definitely still compete in that space. It's not like there are any losers. He could be the more liked billionaire. The billionaire who makes better deals in charity. Has the better charities.

$100 million is what his daddy gifted him. It could still go very far in terms of helping people or creating something.

success

the accomplishment of an aim or purpose.

It's individual man. It should be individual. Being gifted the presidency doesn't seem like much of a success either. The poll is stupid. It takes a full life of hard work and dedication and basically a DETERMINED amount of privilege, intelligence, conscientiousness to become president. If someone's aim is to become president and they succeed that is a wonderful success on paper and highly valued by much of society. It's tainted by the current systems of government.

Where is the "No, I have no idea how to be president what are you nuts?" That is what everyone in this website should choose.

If my aim is to be content and I am content that contentedness can be as sweet as any bourgeois chase and catch KICK ASS AND GET RICH AND KICK ASS! So, you end up in this big house that you have to take care of. You have empty rooms. Empty closets. So, you have the Trump suit in navy and charcoal and all the colors of the rainbow for ties. Maybe get a grey, or a pinstriped or whoa! a purple. The boys down at the country club might not like that one. But, the hooker on the side might go on a date for that one. You only get 5 hours of sleep, work 10 hours a day, and sit in traffic for 2 hours but at least you can listen to your GET RICH AND KICK ASS, KICK ASS AND GET RICH, THINK BIG AND BECOME A BILLIONAIRE on tape. Since you aren't GOD TRUMP you are too tired to do much besides come home, eat a microwaved meal and watch netflix until you pass out and do it all over again the next day.

Go shuffle around Macy's and listen to a Kiyosaki book on tape you docile chimp. Go get a POWER TIE. RESPECT IS IMMINENT! Do I like this red or this? This red or this? This red or this?


lebowski   Greece. Jan 07 2018 20:15. Posts 9205

Backtracking a bit here, but when I see eloquent people having an opinion I wholeheartedly disagree with, I find it very intriguing to hear their thought process. They will often be good at explaining and there's always value in seeing how other people connect dots. I would definitely cringe through a conversation with a younger version of myself and that's a solid reminder not to attribute opinions that I find wrong to limited brain power by default (my brain prob works way worse now, heh).

  On December 28 2017 04:15 Loco wrote:
To have great insights, it follows that you have to have a great mind. A great mind doesn't say terribly stupid things on one topic and incredibly insightful things on other topics. The definition of a great mind is one which has cultivated pertinent knowledge. Pertinent knowledge is the ability to contextualize one's knowledge. To think globally, multidimensionally. It's actually enough to know if someone has a great mind (capable of great insights) based on a single important topic of discussion, because one topic is enough to illuminate their approach to knowledge and whether they have acquired pertinent knowledge or not.


Life is too huge and complicated to assume that a couple of the greatest of minds would reach similar conclusions on all topics. There's just too little time, too many things to devote that time to and the sum of life's experiences with their infinite small details provide people with tendencies and biases that are usually neither avoidable nor transparent. Defining a great mind the way you do seems a bit limiting to me, it excludes incredible achievements by people who would definitely never agree on most things and focuses too much on philosophers/people who think a lot about thinking/knowledge etc. Devoting your genius 100% to music or chess could easily leave you with really stupid/underdeveloped opinions on other aspects of life
edit:
aaaand thread's back to politics. I tried to vote no and failed miserably though

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Loco   Canada. Jan 07 2018 20:38. Posts 20963


  "Life is too huge and complicated to assume that a couple of the greatest of minds would reach similar conclusions on all topics"



That's precisely what I warned not to mistake my position as being. My position is that a truly great mind is ultimately a mind that reflects upon its own knowledge. What I was saying is not that great minds will have an uniformity of beliefs, obviously that's not possible and they can be wrong about some topics or some piece of information in specific, but the way that they approach the topic in itself, the way in which they are right or wrong in the proper context can be enough to tell you that they have a great mind . You can be wrong and still be insightful too, being wrong means next to nothing. Being wrong about something because you have the wrong data is also completely different than saying something terribly stupid on a very important subject.

Incredible achievements are a sign of an incredible talent/work ethic, but it says nothing about having a great mind. When I talk about a great mind, I'm talking about a mind that is able to contextualize one's knowledge geographically and historically. So a great mind from 400 years ago has vastly different things to say than a great mind of today on specific topics, and probably nothing at all on some topics, but they both can have the same approach to knowledge, e.g. have the same epistemological framework and value the same things. It is their approach to knowledge and their beliefs on the whole that matter, not isolated beliefs and statements out of context.

Obviously, I'm using "great mind" in a philosophical context here. I'm okay with using it colloquially in another context as well, e.g. for someone who came up with a great magic trick or something but who knows nothing about science, politics and philosophy.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 07/01/2018 21:36

lebowski   Greece. Jan 07 2018 21:13. Posts 9205


  On January 07 2018 19:38 Loco wrote:
Show nested quote +



That's precisely what I warned not to mistake my position as being. My position is that a truly great mind is ultimately a mind that reflects upon its own knowledge. What I was saying is that someone can be wrong about some topic, some piece of information in specific, but the way that they approach the topic in itself, the way in which they are right or wrong in the proper context can be enough to tell you that they have a great mind. You can be wrong and still be insightful. Being wrong means next to nothing. Being wrong about something because you have the wrong data is also completely different than saying something terribly stupid on a very important subject.

Incredible achievements are a sign of an incredible talent/work ethic, but it says nothing about having a great mind. When I talk about a great mind, I'm talking about a mind that is able to contextualize one's knowledge geographically and historically. So a great mind from 400 years ago has vastly different things to say than today on specific topics, if anything at all, but they both can have the same approach to knowledge, e.g. have the same epistemological framework and value the same things. It is their approach to knowledge and their beliefs on the whole that matter, not isolated beliefs and statements out of context.

I see, but it seems that such a definition doesn't characterize the potential of a person's wit but the way in which it operates,which could be a simple matter of upbringing

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

Loco   Canada. Jan 07 2018 21:21. Posts 20963

Right, that's a completely different context, I edited my post to clarify that. In the post you were initially responding to I'm talking about knowledge of important subjects of discussion (the political and the philosophical) which have ethical implications. I think if someone has great wit and they use it to some great success then it makes more sense to say they have great wit than they have a great mind, but I'd still be okay with using the latter as long as it's not confused with the other. Problem is that, if a great mind is someone who is just inventive or influential, then it banalizes the very notion of a great mind. We could then treat as equals Da Vinci and the guy who has invented the toaster.

A less ridiculous example would be comparing a transdisciplinary thinker with someone who knows absolutely nothing other than his own discipline. I don't think someone like Richard Dawkins is a great mind for instance, I'd just say he's a great evolutionary biologist (possibly, I'm not sure of that). I'd actually take offense to him being characterized as a great mind. It's not a great analogy but it's somewhat like saying that a guy who only trains his biceps in the gym is a great bodybuilder because he beats everyone else in the big biceps department.

I think upbringing is fairly inconsequential in my definition as long as one is in a position to have access to relevant educational material, i.e. not living in a totalitarian hell. Whatever ignorance/restraints have been imposed on you by your parents/culture you can work to overcome through study.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 07/01/2018 22:43

Loco   Canada. Jan 07 2018 23:33. Posts 20963

So, Santafairy's definition of success is basically this, right?




I guess my own would be something like, being fulfilled while not harming others. Mega-success would be being fulfilled and having influenced social change in a positive way.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount 

RiKD    United States. Jan 08 2018 00:24. Posts 8442

Yeah, I meant to ask you Santafairy what is your definition of success?

How old are you?

What is wrong with wandering and wanting to be good at a lot of things?

What is wrong with being fulfilled and helping people/environments?

I remember in poker someone gets a breitling and then everyone gets a breitling and that was like the pinnacle of "success" in poker. I mean they are really sharp watches and everyone playing 25/50 and above should have one why not? Was Antonius one of the first? I know Rek had one pretty early. I don't know why I snap remembered this but I am finding it incredibly entertaining. You really made it if you had a Breitling watch. Is that success? I mean yes it is if the aim was to spend a flag or 2 or 3 or so on a really sharp watch but is that overarching success?

I just can't really see having material or monetary aims as that viable. Actually I think they are extremely viable up to a certain point and then they become silly. Silly is not quite the word. Arbitrary is a better word. The utility of making say $70k in a year is tremendous. The utility of making $140k in a year is not nearly double that of $70k. One may be poorer at $140k if they decide to try and live with the $200k-$400k people rather than be rich with the $40k-$80k people. I think a lot of people have the attitude of why are we working so hard, sitting in all this traffic everyday to not live some ostentatious bourgeois life. We don't need it. I had a friend whose goal in life was to buy a Lotus by the time he was 40. I kind of cringed when he told me this. This obsession with stuff. Like, hasn't anyone ever watched "Fight Club"? Tyler Durden is always scheming, fighting, fucking, building bunk beds, fucking around with nun chucks. That's what I want to be doing. Not fucking writing on Liquid Poker but here I am. I want to be in my friend's basement deadlifting to "Wake Up" by Rage Against the Machine and then off to eat some vegan Indian food. I had a lentil soup for dinner. It was delicious.


Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 08 2018 12:24. Posts 2224

"define success with your own criteria"

>so how about this vacuous youtube animation?
>so how about a timepiece?

when I hear "rich white men" it's difficult to differentiate it from "the jews control everything"

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

Loco   Canada. Jan 08 2018 13:24. Posts 20963

"vacuous youtube animation" lol

curious to see one of your creative projects

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 08/01/2018 13:35

Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 08 2018 13:29. Posts 2224

https://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=1129247

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

RiKD    United States. Jan 08 2018 16:08. Posts 8442

Being fulfilled while not harming others. Helping people on an individual/local level is also not that daunting. Influencing social change in a positive way on a global level is quite daunting. We all could start locally and that would give us skills to maybe just maybe having a part in change globally.

What are some of your aims Santafairy?

I know it is scary to put them out there in the world but I think it is the next logical step in this thread.


RiKD    United States. Jan 09 2018 02:22. Posts 8442

Should we judge people by the worth of their house (houses)?

I was out to dinner with someone tonight who followed up "he is doing really well for himself" with immediately discussing the combined cost of his houses. I guess it seems pretty reasonable. It's a very herd thing to do. I like to wear black and read Nietzsche so I was more concerned with how is he doing? What is he doing? Stuff like that. Turns out he is a pretty goofy, down to earth guy that is well liked by his friends, seemingly great relations with his life partner, and an all around good guy. I was like ohhhhh ok. You should have just led with that.


hiems   United States. Jan 09 2018 03:21. Posts 2979

rikd u realize you are also incredibly privileged right. I remember u blogging about knowing "poverty" and being forced to "live like a peasant." real poor ppl dont have the luxury to spend all their time blogging learning philosophy and whatever art music stuff.

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RiKD    United States. Jan 10 2018 00:59. Posts 8442

I am below the poverty line. The fact that I live with my parents and some stuff ends up getting subsidized by them makes it a bit better but I am still below the poverty line. Not a lot is subsidized anymore. I needed new tires so they got that as a Christmas gift. I go out to dinner with them occasionally and they typically pay for it. I am privileged compared to those say living below the poverty line in "the democratic republic" of Congo but we are talking in the context of the USA. Privilege typically goes along with rich, affluent, wealthy. It is defined by having special rights, advantages, immunities. I don't really fit in with that. There was this one time I got stopped at a DUI checkpoint and I was drunk but they let me go because I worked in the steel mill. That is a different kind of privilege. I am thinking of the crook bankers that got off scot free in 2008. That is the definition of privilege. George Bush and Donald Trump: Privilege.


hiems   United States. Jan 10 2018 01:15. Posts 2979

no I meant poverty in america. The fact that you have wealthy parents is a luxury actual poor pepole don't have. I think if people in actual poverty in America read that blog post you made about your parents making 250k a year they'd be laughing saying wtf? To those people you had/have priviledge.

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RiKD    United States. Jan 10 2018 03:16. Posts 8442

I definitely had privilege. My high school was really good and my college was paid for. I will admit I still have privilege. If my car breaks down that will be subsidized by my parents. If I lose my job my parents will help. At the same time if I am not faced with outliers I live on less than $1k/month. I at least have a taste of what it is like to be poor because I am poor.


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 10 2018 07:14. Posts 8646


  On January 09 2018 23:59 RiKD wrote:
I am below the poverty line. The fact that I live with my parents and some stuff ends up getting subsidized by them makes it a bit better but I am still below the poverty line. Not a lot is subsidized anymore. I needed new tires so they got that as a Christmas gift. I go out to dinner with them occasionally and they typically pay for it. I am privileged compared to those say living below the poverty line in "the democratic republic" of Congo but we are talking in the context of the USA. Privilege typically goes along with rich, affluent, wealthy. It is defined by having special rights, advantages, immunities. I don't really fit in with that. There was this one time I got stopped at a DUI checkpoint and I was drunk but they let me go because I worked in the steel mill. That is a different kind of privilege. I am thinking of the crook bankers that got off scot free in 2008. That is the definition of privilege. George Bush and Donald Trump: Privilege.



The poverty line is determined by household income, and it's super cringe-worthy that you would ever think the word applies to your situation. When you say not a lot is subsidized anymore, do you mean that you pay them rent at a fair market rate? Otherwise, they are subsidizing a hell of a lot. And on top of that, they still take you out to restaurants and buy shit like tires for your car? This post shows how delusional you are.

Let's be clear. You are not living in poverty, you are living in luxury off the backs of your parents. Time is our most precious asset. There are many people who work long hours and come home too exhausted everyday to do anything but unwind a little and go to sleep. They do this not to save money or get ahead, but to be able to make their rent payment on time. They don't go to restaurants because their entire food budget is $100/month.

Do you think it never occurred to these people that "Hey, all this struggle just to maintain this meager existence isn't that fulfilling, maybe it would be nice to move back home and do some reading and self-reflection and figure out what I really want to do with my life"? The reason they don't do it isn't because they lack the necessary level of introspection, it's because they have enough dignity not to take advantage of their families.

Do whatever mental gymnastics you need to in order to justify leeching off of your family, but for fuck's sake don't call that poverty.

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