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lucky331   . Sep 22 2017 06:26. Posts 1124

AAAAAWWWW YEEAAHHH!!! too bad the internet is slow over here. back at zhe beach. cant wiat to go home and watch this.


FrinkX   United States. Sep 22 2017 06:43. Posts 7561

Ro 24 Day 4 posted above, watch the game starting @ 1:43:40 for some ultimate ROFLs

bitch on a pension suck my dong 

PuertoRican   United States. Sep 22 2017 07:23. Posts 13030

Man...

I wish I had time to play this game... ...I'd be slow and terrible, but I'm sure it'd be fun.

December can't get here soon enough.

Rekrul is a newb 

Silver_nz   New Zealand. Sep 22 2017 10:43. Posts 5647


  On September 22 2017 05:43 FrinkX wrote:
Ro 24 Day 4 posted above, watch the game starting @ 1:43:40 for some ultimate ROFLs



Quick thinking on Rains part to adjust what he was building from the stargates and still get great mileage out of them


whamm!   Albania. Sep 24 2017 14:53. Posts 11625


blackjacki2   United States. Sep 25 2017 00:50. Posts 2581

new graphics suck. marines and medics look so similar you can barely tell them apart in a ball of bio.


whamm!   Albania. Sep 26 2017 13:51. Posts 11625


Daut    United States. Sep 28 2017 02:28. Posts 8955

These were really enjoyable to watch, thanks for posting. Love the new maps.

Group C tomorrow? Not that I've watched nearly enough Starleagues to make a statement like this, but group D might be the toughest group of all time.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 28/09/2017 02:29

PoorUser    United States. Sep 28 2017 05:33. Posts 7471

^ week and a half break for sc2 super tournament and korean thanksgiving

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whamm!   Albania. Oct 08 2017 11:37. Posts 11625

Live group c today bisu, mind, etc
afreeca fucking up youtube by not releasing streams live, oh well

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Afreeca%20ASL%20EN

Odds for tuesday's games from Pinnaclesports

Soulkey -140
Rain +115

Jaedong -310
Stork +243

 Last edit: 08/10/2017 11:43

blackjacki2   United States. Oct 08 2017 18:01. Posts 2581


Loco   Canada. Oct 09 2017 02:21. Posts 20963

^ Tasteless was never a very good caster to me but holy shit I miss him so much after hearing this guy. Where do they find these people? Doesn't even know which half of the map belongs to which player.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount 

whamm!   Albania. Oct 10 2017 15:29. Posts 11625

He's an SC2 guy who was a good caster for the game but yeah i feel for the dude he's been getting a lot of hate lol
Group d JD, Stock, Rain and Soulkey - group of death

http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/26852529


blackjacki2   United States. Oct 10 2017 17:20. Posts 2581


spets1   Australia. Oct 10 2017 18:16. Posts 2179

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blackjacki2   United States. Oct 10 2017 19:38. Posts 2581

^spoiler please for people that haven't watched yet


Daut    United States. Oct 10 2017 23:24. Posts 8955

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blackjacki2   United States. Oct 11 2017 06:11. Posts 2581

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spets1   Australia. Oct 11 2017 10:22. Posts 2179

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whamm!   Albania. Oct 14 2017 04:18. Posts 11625

Betting is on! Won last time picking Soulkey and Jaedong which was a gimme. It gets more compllicated with Bo5s later next week

Larva - he is terrible vs top TBLS and vs 2nd tier players BEST ZERO LAST SK etc, well he sucks vs them too lol. I'm not fooled by the colored beard/glasses, that guy is shit. His willingness to play TBLS 24/7 makes him dangerous against lesser players though, his sheer confidence and experience makes him better than he really is vs others.
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Odds to win Bo3 +119

Rain - is kind of the best of the 3rd tier players so it's really close here, but probably going with betting on him and his creative PvZ. His macro is shitty but he can micro and multitask very well, does well if there aren't a lot of exchanges early on or his creative builds somewhat hurt his opponent.

Odds to win Bo3 -145

Personally I'm taking Rain here all day, Larva though is a bit "lucky" having fought 2 Zergs and beating them with hustle plays, not really indicative of skill. Also bet on Soulkey-165 to beat Hero, Bisu -385 to beat Killer (i hope "brainfart" bisu doesnt show up though)

About Jaedong, him coming back was great but he was on a downward trajectory the first time he retired. His skills have definitely left him and all that's left are his metagame mastery and his ability to play courageous strats and make opponents pay if they don't play perfectly.

 Last edit: 15/10/2017 02:43

Loco   Canada. Oct 14 2017 04:24. Posts 20963

^ I thought Jaedong lost?

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount 

whamm!   Albania. Oct 14 2017 04:30. Posts 11625

^ bets were only for the first matches and not the eventual qualifiers which was odd. maybe it was because he was popular and there would be action

 Last edit: 14/10/2017 04:31

whamm!   Albania. Oct 15 2017 12:31. Posts 11625

Larva vs Rain

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Afreeca%20ASL%20EN


Joe   Czech Republic. Oct 15 2017 23:35. Posts 5987


  On October 15 2017 11:31 whamm! wrote:
Larva vs Rain

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Afreeca%20ASL%20EN



Awesome games, esp. games 3 and 4.

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

FrinkX   United States. Oct 16 2017 00:00. Posts 7561

entertaining defensive bw o_O

bitch on a pension suck my dong 

whamm!   Albania. Oct 16 2017 00:22. Posts 11625

bah i hate larva, rain played terribly too lol


blackjacki2   United States. Oct 16 2017 06:45. Posts 2581

Rain vs larva series was great

 Last edit: 16/10/2017 06:46

whamm!   Albania. Oct 17 2017 11:42. Posts 11625

Soulkey vs Hero ZvZ

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Afreeca%20ASL%20EN


FrinkX   United States. Oct 18 2017 01:10. Posts 7561

Best part about the ZvZ Bo5




ROFL

bitch on a pension suck my dong 

Daut    United States. Oct 20 2017 00:53. Posts 8955

What's the schedule for rest of ASL?

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

blackjacki2   United States. Oct 20 2017 01:17. Posts 2581

Next 2 matches are oct 22 and oct 24 at 1900 KST. Not sure after that


whamm!   Albania. Oct 22 2017 05:45. Posts 11625

fucking soulkey and rain must hate me for throwing both games lol

I hope the beastly bisu shows up and not that brainfart version of himself


whamm!   Albania. Oct 22 2017 08:52. Posts 11625

Btw sports bettors, what does this mean?

Starcraft BroodWar - Afreeca Starleague, E Sports
Bisu Sun 22/17 03:00 AM
Spread (or run line) -1.5 for Match -200
Risking 20.00 to Win 10.00 USD


and this


Starcraft BroodWar - Afreeca Starleague, E Sports
Bisu Sun 22/17 03:00 AM
Spread (or run line) -2.5 for Match +147
Risking 10.00 to Win 14.70 USD

TIA

 Last edit: 22/10/2017 08:52

Loco   Canada. Oct 22 2017 13:48. Posts 20963

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount 

NMcNasty    United States. Oct 22 2017 18:12. Posts 2039

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 22 2017 23:33. Posts 9634

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PoorUser    United States. Oct 23 2017 00:08. Posts 7471

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alejandicto   . Oct 23 2017 19:19. Posts 865

This is not from ASL but a recent epic game between Flash and Larva

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Joe   Czech Republic. Oct 23 2017 21:32. Posts 5987


  On October 23 2017 18:19 alejandicto wrote:
This is not from ASL but a recent epic game between Flash and Larva




Epic

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

traxamillion   United States. Oct 24 2017 00:03. Posts 10468

Whamm larva is a top 3 player now. TLBS does not crush him, in fact he would virtually never lose a bo5 to stork.

And if you want to argue he isn't top 3 he is at least top 5. Don't be fooled by his previous offline performances. He has improved a ton, got over his nerves, and is a monster in spon matches


traxamillion   United States. Oct 24 2017 00:04. Posts 10468

He will almost certainly be playing Flash in these ASL finals


Daut    United States. Oct 24 2017 00:15. Posts 8955

I didn't know anything about Larva before this event, but he seems amazing -- great defense, great micro, better tactics than JD ever had, and clever strategies. He seems to macro worse than other top guys, but he makes up for it with unreal defiler control. Think Hero would get demolished by either Flash/Bisu in finals, really hope Larva wins.

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Daut    United States. Oct 24 2017 00:55. Posts 8955

Seems like Bisu is a moderate to large favorite vs Larva, Flash is a moderate to large favorite vs both Bisu/Larva but less of a favorite vs Larva than Bisu?

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Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 24 2017 01:37. Posts 3093

flash is favorite against all, but I do think Larva has the best shot at beating him - and it's a fair shot. He's a complete player, good at everything, and with the ability to mix it up in a series. Game 1 vs Rain is such a great way to start off a bo5 - when you face that, it really fucks with your mindset for the rest of the series. That's exactly the type of play you see from a champion.
I really hope we get a flash vs larva finals. Larva has a zvz to go through though, so in a way, I'm more confident flash makes it. Flash vs Hero would be anticlimatic imo, I see that ending in a 3-0.

I also don't think I would regard bisu as a favorite against larva. Larva seems to really excel at defending against harassment, from the games against Rain, his issues were more related to handling a huge mid-game army, but the way he handled the continuous storm drops was absolutely amazing. I expect that if he faces bisu, he's actually gonna make a spore colony in his third, and not die against the sair+dt harassment. In a way, I think Bisu is a better fit for Larva than Rain was, even if Bisu is also a superior player and harder to face for most zergs. Also wonder how Flash vs Bisu is gonna play out (I don't see mind winning at all), I think both crossing field and gold rush can favor reaver into carrier, and that's what I expect Bisu to show up with.

lol POKER 

Daut    United States. Oct 24 2017 02:23. Posts 8955

I watched Larva play a series against each player from last week. Bisu went 3-0 in very one sided games while Flash went 5-5 vs Larva (in games I saw). I think Bisu's PvZ is just too strong/relentless

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 24 2017 02:44. Posts 3093

I did not watch those games, but I saw that he went 6-4 against Bisu in sponsored matches in September. (and 3-7 vs Flash).

lol POKER 

Daut    United States. Oct 24 2017 03:35. Posts 8955


  On October 24 2017 01:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I did not watch those games, but I saw that he went 6-4 against Bisu in sponsored matches in September. (and 3-7 vs Flash).



So basically he's really good, lol

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

PoorUser    United States. Oct 24 2017 04:34. Posts 7471


  On October 23 2017 23:15 Daut wrote:
I didn't know anything about Larva before this event, but he seems amazing -- great defense, great micro, better tactics than JD ever had, and clever strategies. He seems to macro worse than other top guys, but he makes up for it with unreal defiler control. Think Hero would get demolished by either Flash/Bisu in finals, really hope Larva wins.


a hero/flash finals would be tragic but heros zvp is great and hero/bisu finals would probably be fun.

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whamm!   Albania. Oct 24 2017 10:06. Posts 11625

larva is garbage. Rain played like me in that series. Larva has been a long running joke in the pro scene, online stream games he might pull off some wins vs flash, but that's because he plays flash 200 games a week lol. he's got the swagger of a top 10 but he's just technically bad. He's just the most masochistic bw player alive which is why flash loves playing him when flash is trying something

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Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 24 2017 11:01. Posts 3093

whamm you're totally out of date. What you said was true like 4 months ago, but lately he's been sporting the best win rates of anyone against the top dogs. It's probably the masochism paying dividends tbh.
there's a thread on teamliquid dedicated to Larva's progress, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522647-larvas-progress-report

between june 2016 and april 2017 his stats against 'the top 3' were:
Larva vs. Bisu: 30/113 = 0.265
Larva vs. Last: 44/169 = 0.260
Larva vs. FlaSh: 59/216 = 0.273

July, August, September 2017 against the same players?
Bisu: 17-18
Last: 38-24
Flash: 16-37

So flash still has his number tbh. But Flash sports those winrates or better against pretty much anyone.
And apparently the october games have been going worse. But now with ASL coming to an end, I actually think it's fairly likely that he's not showing off his best builds in less important and streamed matches.

lol POKER 

lucky331   . Oct 24 2017 11:09. Posts 1124


  On October 24 2017 10:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
whamm you're totally out of date. What you said was true like 4 months ago, but lately he's been sporting the best win rates of anyone against the top dogs. It's probably the masochism paying dividends tbh.
there's a thread on teamliquid dedicated to Larva's progress, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522647-larvas-progress-report

between june 2016 and april 2017 his stats against 'the top 3' were:
Larva vs. Bisu: 30/113 = 0.265
Larva vs. Last: 44/169 = 0.260
Larva vs. FlaSh: 59/216 = 0.273

July, August, September 2017 against the same players?
Bisu: 17-18
Last: 38-24
Flash: 16-37

So flash still has his number tbh. But Flash sports those winrates or better against pretty much anyone.
And apparently the october games have been going worse. But now with ASL coming to an end, I actually think it's fairly likely that he's not showing off his best builds in less important and streamed matches.



interesting, where did you ge those numbers. tanks.


Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 24 2017 12:03. Posts 3093

from the thread I linked.

lol POKER 

Loco   Canada. Oct 24 2017 14:26. Posts 20963

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount 

ggplz   Sweden. Oct 24 2017 18:41. Posts 16784

Most of the games in lower tiers were pretty shit but love the latest games.

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

WhyYouKickMyDog   United States. Oct 25 2017 22:49. Posts 1623

I've been watching larva stream, he's incredible, hard work is paying off. glad he's handling the pressure well.

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blackjacki2   United States. Oct 29 2017 18:07. Posts 2581

https://youtu.be/0T5OQqP-7CU


whammbot   Belarus. Oct 30 2017 13:53. Posts 517

the one time i get on the larva bandwagon he decides to lose to hero and lose my bet lol
fuck larva


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 30 2017 21:09. Posts 9634

felt like Larva is a much better micro player, yet he lost to some minor macro mistakes - am i correct?


Daut    United States. Oct 30 2017 21:51. Posts 8955


  On October 30 2017 12:53 whammbot wrote:
the one time i get on the larva bandwagon he decides to lose to hero and lose my bet lol
fuck larva



What odds did you get? And where were you betting?

Hated Larva's cheese attempt in game 1, but other than that it seemed like he had slightly superior positions based on strategy than hero but got outmicroed in muta battles. Also noticed he lost an overlord right after the mutas popped in games 4/5 partially due to slightly slower mutas, but he should have brought them back earlier in a greedier build. It's probably just a lot of variance in matchup, but I heard hero is known for godly muta v muta control.

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whamm!   Albania. Oct 31 2017 05:06. Posts 11625

zvsz is just a coinflip between these two but like i said larva is basically a subpar player in MMM but he's got tons of experience playing Flash and other top guys so he's really developed an uncanny ability to craft sneaky strats with all that playtime vs Flash (coz daily he's trying to break a genius player who has all his bases covered). hero is the superior player overall but he's kinda too soft a zerg to hold up vs top 5 guys. Flash is getting great odds -1.5, +117 vs Bisu so I'll just bet on that


whamm!   Albania. Oct 31 2017 06:27. Posts 11625

Stork vs AI bot
live
http://play.afreecatv.com/aslenglish2

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Daut    United States. Oct 31 2017 08:17. Posts 8955


  On October 31 2017 05:27 whamm! wrote:
Stork vs AI bot
live
http://play.afreecatv.com/aslenglish2



The AI bot's 4 pool economy build is going to revolutionize ZvP.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

whamm!   Albania. Oct 31 2017 08:42. Posts 11625

needs a bit of work to defend like flash and cover it's bases early. once it reaches 3 base macro and efficiency kicks in, it's going to be interesting


Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 31 2017 13:52. Posts 3093

the bots have amazing macro and watching them micro 40 individual mutas at the same time, that's something. But their decision-making is horrendous. I'm not really gonna be impressed by them if the only reason why they compete is that they literally have more than 10000 apm - right now, they have 10000 apm and still can't compete. If a bot however is able to compete with humans on an equal mechanical footing I would be immensely impressed and consider it a far greater achievement than the chess or go or poker AIs.

lol POKER 

whamm!   Albania. Oct 31 2017 14:22. Posts 11625


NMcNasty    United States. Oct 31 2017 17:15. Posts 2039

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blackjacki2   United States. Oct 31 2017 17:54. Posts 2581

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Daut    United States. Oct 31 2017 18:13. Posts 8955

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FrinkX   United States. Oct 31 2017 21:29. Posts 7561

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bitch on a pension suck my dong 

whamm!   Albania. Nov 01 2017 00:27. Posts 11625

WHere the helll are the Tastosis duo? Afreeca trying to save some money here or did the ASL didn't really live up to the hype?


Loco   Canada. Nov 01 2017 00:27. Posts 20963

There's pretty much always two different english streams I think. Just switch to the second one that doesn't have the annoying noob casting without Artosis. It's not great either but it's a great relief coming from that guy.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount 

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Nov 01 2017 00:31. Posts 3093

Tastosis were busy with Blizzcon. I expect they are back for the finals and third player match. (I don't actually know this for sure)

lol POKER 

PoorUser    United States. Nov 01 2017 03:42. Posts 7471


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whammbot   Belarus. Nov 01 2017 04:57. Posts 517

Bisu vs Larva is the only match worth betting on, obv a flash vs hero final would suck


ggplz   Sweden. Nov 01 2017 15:04. Posts 16784

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if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhANLast edit: 01/11/2017 15:45

whamm!   Albania. Nov 01 2017 15:27. Posts 11625

vultures should cost slightly more,


YoMeR   United States. Nov 04 2017 07:37. Posts 12435

omg who is this solo noob casting. he's so fucking bad it's depressing.

eZ Life. 

whammbot   Belarus. Nov 05 2017 02:24. Posts 517

that guy literally killed the ASL lmao


Ryan Neilly   United States. Nov 06 2017 04:18. Posts 1631

i just love checkin in on day9, him and his brother really kick ass met them wcgusa been too long marshall [dak]tnt and i got so fuckin stoned back then it was awesome ahaha


Daut    United States. Nov 08 2017 02:09. Posts 8955

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

ggplz   Sweden. Nov 08 2017 02:39. Posts 16784

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if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

blackjacki2   United States. Nov 08 2017 06:52. Posts 2581

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whammbot   Belarus. Nov 08 2017 08:43. Posts 517

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Nov 08 2017 23:40. Posts 9634

Aren't progamers allowed to play in the army? Or they actually do the real fulltime serving?


FiSheYe   Germany. Nov 09 2017 13:09. Posts 214

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CCMoz   United Kingdom. Nov 10 2017 10:48. Posts 925

Agreed FiSheYe.

my balls your mouth 

Daut    United States. Nov 12 2017 16:00. Posts 8955

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

NMcNasty    United States. Nov 12 2017 18:31. Posts 2039

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Daut    United States. Nov 12 2017 19:42. Posts 8955

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blackjacki2   United States. Nov 12 2017 20:09. Posts 2581

http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/27877620


whammbot   Belarus. Nov 13 2017 10:13. Posts 517

We want that dream battle of two equally skilled players but we all know that never happens now in BW. If Flash goes to army we'll always be thinking that he stomps everyone no question and be a little bugged by it so interest will kinda fade. Soulkey is great in dealing with Flash in their battles online but you can clearly see Flash eventually just catching up to him and shutting him down after a week of studying. SK is the only Flash threat in a bo5 out there right now, period. Unfortunately he cannot devote 100% of practice/study only to Terran, he dies to P and Z in the process.

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blackjacki2   United States. Nov 13 2017 19:28. Posts 2581

I really feel kind of bad for zergs having to face Flash. You can't win in the early-game but you can lose. You can't win in the mid-game but you can lose. You can win in the late game but you have to micro your ass off with defilers and you can still lose. They literally have to play optimally just to not die for the first 15 minutes just so they can hope to have a chance to win. Flash is just the best I've ever seen at finding any chink in the armor to exploit and win the game. He knows exactly how many sunkens you need at your natural, exactly how many lurkers you need on a ramp. If at any point you have 1 too few it's just gg.


whammbot   Belarus. Nov 13 2017 23:51. Posts 517

yea it's getting pretty bad. we used to see some youngin catch up with whoever's been stompin everybody but in Flash's reign it's quite clear nobody comes close to consistently beating him or even closing in skill-wise. the worst thing about Flash is that he is never fancy nor does amazing new things, just godly mechanics with unbelievable gamesense. SoulKey is coming in to his own but poor guy is so focused on beating Flash his ZvZ has turned to shit lately lol


 



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