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traxamillion   United States. Oct 24 2017 00:03. Posts 10468

Whamm larva is a top 3 player now. TLBS does not crush him, in fact he would virtually never lose a bo5 to stork.

And if you want to argue he isn't top 3 he is at least top 5. Don't be fooled by his previous offline performances. He has improved a ton, got over his nerves, and is a monster in spon matches


traxamillion   United States. Oct 24 2017 00:04. Posts 10468

He will almost certainly be playing Flash in these ASL finals


Daut    United States. Oct 24 2017 00:15. Posts 8955

I didn't know anything about Larva before this event, but he seems amazing -- great defense, great micro, better tactics than JD ever had, and clever strategies. He seems to macro worse than other top guys, but he makes up for it with unreal defiler control. Think Hero would get demolished by either Flash/Bisu in finals, really hope Larva wins.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 24/10/2017 00:16

Daut    United States. Oct 24 2017 00:55. Posts 8955

Seems like Bisu is a moderate to large favorite vs Larva, Flash is a moderate to large favorite vs both Bisu/Larva but less of a favorite vs Larva than Bisu?

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 24/10/2017 00:56

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 24 2017 01:37. Posts 3093

flash is favorite against all, but I do think Larva has the best shot at beating him - and it's a fair shot. He's a complete player, good at everything, and with the ability to mix it up in a series. Game 1 vs Rain is such a great way to start off a bo5 - when you face that, it really fucks with your mindset for the rest of the series. That's exactly the type of play you see from a champion.
I really hope we get a flash vs larva finals. Larva has a zvz to go through though, so in a way, I'm more confident flash makes it. Flash vs Hero would be anticlimatic imo, I see that ending in a 3-0.

I also don't think I would regard bisu as a favorite against larva. Larva seems to really excel at defending against harassment, from the games against Rain, his issues were more related to handling a huge mid-game army, but the way he handled the continuous storm drops was absolutely amazing. I expect that if he faces bisu, he's actually gonna make a spore colony in his third, and not die against the sair+dt harassment. In a way, I think Bisu is a better fit for Larva than Rain was, even if Bisu is also a superior player and harder to face for most zergs. Also wonder how Flash vs Bisu is gonna play out (I don't see mind winning at all), I think both crossing field and gold rush can favor reaver into carrier, and that's what I expect Bisu to show up with.

lol POKER 

Daut    United States. Oct 24 2017 02:23. Posts 8955

I watched Larva play a series against each player from last week. Bisu went 3-0 in very one sided games while Flash went 5-5 vs Larva (in games I saw). I think Bisu's PvZ is just too strong/relentless

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 24 2017 02:44. Posts 3093

I did not watch those games, but I saw that he went 6-4 against Bisu in sponsored matches in September. (and 3-7 vs Flash).

lol POKER 

Daut    United States. Oct 24 2017 03:35. Posts 8955


  On October 24 2017 01:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I did not watch those games, but I saw that he went 6-4 against Bisu in sponsored matches in September. (and 3-7 vs Flash).



So basically he's really good, lol

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

PoorUser    United States. Oct 24 2017 04:34. Posts 7471


  On October 23 2017 23:15 Daut wrote:
I didn't know anything about Larva before this event, but he seems amazing -- great defense, great micro, better tactics than JD ever had, and clever strategies. He seems to macro worse than other top guys, but he makes up for it with unreal defiler control. Think Hero would get demolished by either Flash/Bisu in finals, really hope Larva wins.


a hero/flash finals would be tragic but heros zvp is great and hero/bisu finals would probably be fun.

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whamm!   Albania. Oct 24 2017 10:06. Posts 11625

larva is garbage. Rain played like me in that series. Larva has been a long running joke in the pro scene, online stream games he might pull off some wins vs flash, but that's because he plays flash 200 games a week lol. he's got the swagger of a top 10 but he's just technically bad. He's just the most masochistic bw player alive which is why flash loves playing him when flash is trying something

 Last edit: 24/10/2017 10:10

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 24 2017 11:01. Posts 3093

whamm you're totally out of date. What you said was true like 4 months ago, but lately he's been sporting the best win rates of anyone against the top dogs. It's probably the masochism paying dividends tbh.
there's a thread on teamliquid dedicated to Larva's progress, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522647-larvas-progress-report

between june 2016 and april 2017 his stats against 'the top 3' were:
Larva vs. Bisu: 30/113 = 0.265
Larva vs. Last: 44/169 = 0.260
Larva vs. FlaSh: 59/216 = 0.273

July, August, September 2017 against the same players?
Bisu: 17-18
Last: 38-24
Flash: 16-37

So flash still has his number tbh. But Flash sports those winrates or better against pretty much anyone.
And apparently the october games have been going worse. But now with ASL coming to an end, I actually think it's fairly likely that he's not showing off his best builds in less important and streamed matches.

lol POKER 

lucky331   . Oct 24 2017 11:09. Posts 1124


  On October 24 2017 10:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
whamm you're totally out of date. What you said was true like 4 months ago, but lately he's been sporting the best win rates of anyone against the top dogs. It's probably the masochism paying dividends tbh.
there's a thread on teamliquid dedicated to Larva's progress, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522647-larvas-progress-report

between june 2016 and april 2017 his stats against 'the top 3' were:
Larva vs. Bisu: 30/113 = 0.265
Larva vs. Last: 44/169 = 0.260
Larva vs. FlaSh: 59/216 = 0.273

July, August, September 2017 against the same players?
Bisu: 17-18
Last: 38-24
Flash: 16-37

So flash still has his number tbh. But Flash sports those winrates or better against pretty much anyone.
And apparently the october games have been going worse. But now with ASL coming to an end, I actually think it's fairly likely that he's not showing off his best builds in less important and streamed matches.



interesting, where did you ge those numbers. tanks.


Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 24 2017 12:03. Posts 3093

from the thread I linked.

lol POKER 

Loco   Canada. Oct 24 2017 14:26. Posts 20963

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount 

ggplz   Sweden. Oct 24 2017 18:41. Posts 16784

Most of the games in lower tiers were pretty shit but love the latest games.

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

WhyYouKickMyDog   United States. Oct 25 2017 22:49. Posts 1623

I've been watching larva stream, he's incredible, hard work is paying off. glad he's handling the pressure well.

 Last edit: 29/10/2017 04:06

blackjacki2   United States. Oct 29 2017 18:07. Posts 2581

https://youtu.be/0T5OQqP-7CU


whammbot   Belarus. Oct 30 2017 13:53. Posts 517

the one time i get on the larva bandwagon he decides to lose to hero and lose my bet lol
fuck larva


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 30 2017 21:09. Posts 9634

felt like Larva is a much better micro player, yet he lost to some minor macro mistakes - am i correct?


Daut    United States. Oct 30 2017 21:51. Posts 8955


  On October 30 2017 12:53 whammbot wrote:
the one time i get on the larva bandwagon he decides to lose to hero and lose my bet lol
fuck larva



What odds did you get? And where were you betting?

Hated Larva's cheese attempt in game 1, but other than that it seemed like he had slightly superior positions based on strategy than hero but got outmicroed in muta battles. Also noticed he lost an overlord right after the mutas popped in games 4/5 partially due to slightly slower mutas, but he should have brought them back earlier in a greedier build. It's probably just a lot of variance in matchup, but I heard hero is known for godly muta v muta control.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 30/10/2017 22:06

 
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