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ClouD87   Italy. Jun 05 2017 05:58. Posts 524

I've definitely changed through the years. Just a few years ago I would have scored higher in opennes, much less in conscentiousness and very high in neuroticism. There are certain character traits that are highly influenced by genetics but it doesn't mean they can't be changed and that it would necessarily take a long time.


k4ir0s   Canada. Jun 05 2017 06:28. Posts 3476


  On June 04 2017 17:40 RiKD wrote:
What are the low conscientious people to do?

"On the other hand, they tend to be more flexible and spontaneous, and do well in unpredictable environments where they must respond to constantly changing circumstances."

What are some examples of unpredictable environments where they must respond to constantly changing circumstances?

Poker? What else?

Low conscientiousness does not seem to have any positives besides maybe carefree or easy going. I don't want to be a carefree bum under the bridge however.



Jobs with flexible hours are probably the best for low conscientious people. I never had a 9 to 5 job yet, but I imagine it would be a struggle. Have you had any success in following a daily schedule? it would definitely help, but I never had any success sticking to one.


openness was high, at 80%.
conscientiousness was low, at 28%.
Extraversion was low, at 23%.
Agreeableness was moderate, at 63%.
Neuroticism was high, at 58%.

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly 

Loco   Canada. Jun 05 2017 22:26. Posts 20963


  On June 05 2017 04:58 ClouD87 wrote:
I've definitely changed through the years. Just a few years ago I would have scored higher in opennes, much less in conscentiousness and very high in neuroticism. There are certain character traits that are highly influenced by genetics but it doesn't mean they can't be changed and that it would necessarily take a long time.



It's debated whether they change in a meaningful manner over time once you've reached maturity, but even if they do, that doesn't mean they are changeable at will. You've little control over how environmental factors affects them.

Just a few weeks ago I actually posted that I believed that my openness had changed over time and I was much less open than before. I was pretty certain of this and did the test and it's still very high. Obviously the test is not perfectly reliable but still, it looks pretty clear to me now that we can't rely on our own assessment and memories to judge this.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 05/06/2017 22:53

Loco   Canada. Jun 05 2017 23:05. Posts 20963


  On June 05 2017 00:58 Baalim wrote:
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I'm not so sure about it, I think being a professional poker player has lowered my neutoricism a lot, that being said its like practicing 24/7 for years so its probably very difficult but can be done with hard work



Do you mean that you've had to deal with a lot of stress and frustration with poker so you're less likely to be angry, anxious etc in life in general now? In other words, circumstances have forced a kind of stoicism on you so you're less neurotic and more confident in the face of stress now? I definitely think that looking at all 5 traits, if there is one that can change significantly over time it should be that one. On the other extreme, introversion and extraversion shouldn't be able to change much at all once you've reached maturity. But it's so hard to know the causal direction. The brain is plastic and If I were to start meditating now and did so consistently, I could technically lower my neuroticism. But then again, if I am the type of person who can start to meditate in a consistent manner, doesn't it have to be low to begin with? So if I never did the test and simply became very interested in meditation and felt the benefits after a year, then did the test and scored low, I could fool myself into thinking my test results would have been high before.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 05/06/2017 23:08

Baalim   Mexico. Jun 06 2017 02:50. Posts 34246


  On June 05 2017 22:05 Loco wrote:
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Do you mean that you've had to deal with a lot of stress and frustration with poker so you're less likely to be angry, anxious etc in life in general now? In other words, circumstances have forced a kind of stoicism on you so you're less neurotic and more confident in the face of stress now? I definitely think that looking at all 5 traits, if there is one that can change significantly over time it should be that one. On the other extreme, introversion and extraversion shouldn't be able to change much at all once you've reached maturity. But it's so hard to know the causal direction. The brain is plastic and If I were to start meditating now and did so consistently, I could technically lower my neuroticism. But then again, if I am the type of person who can start to meditate in a consistent manner, doesn't it have to be low to begin with? So if I never did the test and simply became very interested in meditation and felt the benefits after a year, then did the test and scored low, I could fool myself into thinking my test results would have been high before.



I basically agree they dont change, technically they can but it takes so much effort and time its simpler to say they don't because otherwise you give the false impression that those traits are malleable and easily changed which is something most people want to hear, they dont like to be defined and having limits and boundaries

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asdf2000   United States. Jun 06 2017 02:51. Posts 7690

openness low : 55%
consciousness high: 78%
extraversion low: 45%
agreeableness moderate: 70%
neuroticism low: 5%

all in all, reading about it, seems pretty accurate, though I tend to think of myself as highly agreeable not moderately agreeable
but maybe I am actually wrong and the test is more right

also the classification of what a "low openness" person tends to be is pretty hit or miss for me, but the description of low-openness itself is accurate for me.

also when I think about it my extraversion score was probably higher than it should have been, I think it may have been going off of loaded questions.

Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right.Last edit: 06/06/2017 02:55

Floofy   Canada. Jun 06 2017 02:59. Posts 8708

Your score for neuroticism was low, at 25%.
Your score for Agreeableness was high, at 85%.
Your score for Extraversion was low, at 15%.
Your score for conscientiousness was low, at 28%.
Your score for openness was 70%. This is in the moderate range.

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

asdf2000   United States. Jun 06 2017 03:00. Posts 7690


  On June 06 2017 01:50 Baalim wrote:
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I basically agree they dont change, technically they can but it takes so much effort and time its simpler to say they don't because otherwise you give the false impression that those traits are malleable and easily changed which is something most people want to hear, they dont like to be defined and having limits and boundaries



In my experience the average person actually doesn't want to hear that! Only motivated people with healthy mindsets want to hear something like that. Most people don't want to have to take responsibility for their situation on that level.

Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right. 

Floofy   Canada. Jun 06 2017 03:09. Posts 8708


  On June 04 2017 17:40 RiKD wrote:
What are the low conscientious people to do?

"On the other hand, they tend to be more flexible and spontaneous, and do well in unpredictable environments where they must respond to constantly changing circumstances."

What are some examples of unpredictable environments where they must respond to constantly changing circumstances?

Poker? What else?

Low conscientiousness does not seem to have any positives besides maybe carefree or easy going. I don't want to be a carefree bum under the bridge however.



I have a simple example from my job.

In my job, there is 2 types of analyst. Some are assigned to batch, some are assigned to infrastructure.
The guys in batch have to follow fairly strict guidelines, while infrastructure guys are more free to try different things (there isnt always 1 way to do the things, and there often isnt' clear guidelines).

So you can see a guy with low Conscientiousness will have trouble with the highly strict batch job, but will perform well in Infra.

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

RiKD    United States. Jun 06 2017 04:46. Posts 8534

Yeah, my other job besides poker (which I was not industrious really at all besides certain epochs) was an account manager job. I had really high autonomy and could kind of do whatever I wanted as long as profits were good and customers were happy. I would say at this time period I was very conscientious except there were days where I would just go home and take naps, or times where I was depressed and I would just do the bare minimum and then I just started drinking a lot so even if I was like super freak conscientious for say 6 months the low conscientiousness seemed to always come back and get me. That really sucks. From experience even if I get super into something and the conscientiousness is like super high. I am talking working 60+ hours a week really focused at some point I will revert to an even lower conscientiousness than baseline. I'll do something like disregard bankroll and go broke playing 25/50 with an ante. I'll do something like develop alcoholism and throw it all away. That is a really shitty situation to be in. I am extremely open so I can still be happy doing new things and creating and I am extraverted so I am happy around people but shit man I gotta find something to do with my life and no one knows what I should do more than me and I don't know what I should do. That seems like the facts. Just like an IQ number. I am low in conscientious and it is like ok that sucks what do I do about that? I suppose I just make goals like anyone else, take on reasonable responsibility and go from there. I don't see any mansions in my future but I've had enough of a psychic change not to care. If I can just get a nice 1 bedroom in a not yet gentrified cool part of town I'll be cool. Of course that means making 3x rent per month, first and last months' rent, moving costs and everything else. I am going to have to take on enough responsibility to cover that. It'd be a good start and not unreasonable. Anyways, I just started writing and this turned into a blog. "The mind of a low conscientious fellow."


k4ir0s   Canada. Jun 06 2017 19:35. Posts 3476

^Apparently conscientiousness is not important when it comes to entrepreneurship:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkGTaXHZBLA&feature=youtu.be&t=7m23s



Good news for those of us high in openness and low in conscientiousness

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -OlyLast edit: 06/06/2017 19:37

RiKD    United States. Jun 07 2017 02:31. Posts 8534

Good video. Thanks mate.


Baalim   Mexico. Jun 07 2017 05:48. Posts 34246


  On June 06 2017 02:00 asdf2000 wrote:
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In my experience the average person actually doesn't want to hear that! Only motivated people with healthy mindsets want to hear something like that. Most people don't want to have to take responsibility for their situation on that level.



Perhaps what you consider healthy I consider sick, most of my social circle are filled with new age hippie kind of thinking, they like to believe they are in control of everything and that reality itself bends at their thoughts and wishes, so they wont hear anything that tells them their personalities are not malleable, they would probably consider that negative thinking or something like that

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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 07 2017 05:50. Posts 34246


  On June 06 2017 18:35 k4ir0s wrote:
^Apparently conscientiousness is not important when it comes to entrepreneurship:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkGTaXHZBLA&feature=youtu.be&t=7m23s



Good news for those of us high in openness and low in conscientiousness



I think its ideal to have a conscientious partner that does all the heavy lifting, thats what im doing atm

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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 07 2017 05:52. Posts 34246

I've gotten the lowest agreeableness result so far... I dont think that surprises anyone

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locoo   Peru. Jun 07 2017 07:03. Posts 4561

openness high 100%
concientious high 75%
extraverted high 88%
agreeableness high 88%
neuroticism low 0%

I agree with the openness, am obsessed with art and science. Concientious i've worked at for the past years so happy to get it higher than before. Extraverted i don't agree at all, I consider myself introverted. Agreeableness agreed. Neuroticism... poker helped a shitload with that what with the research I had to do about variance, randomness and all.

I would like for the test results to have the negatives traits as well as the positives though, seems there's only positives shown with your score.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 07 2017 09:01. Posts 34246

you had to one-up everybody didnt you?

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Trav94   Canada. Jun 07 2017 09:11. Posts 1785

60%. Openness to experience
40% Conscentiousness
70% Extraversion
25% Agreeableness
68% Neuroticism


thewh00sel    United States. Jun 08 2017 06:52. Posts 2734

So many times i had my mouse all the way on accurate and all the way on inaccurate. Why wasn't indecisive one of the questions?

openness was 68%.
conscientiousness was low, at 43%.
Extraversion was low, at 38%
Agreeableness was low, at 55%
neuroticism was low, at 10%

A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims. - Ayn Rand 

locoo   Peru. Jun 08 2017 17:18. Posts 4561


  On June 07 2017 08:01 Baalim wrote:
you had to one-up everybody didnt you?



just wanted to save the results because I didn't wanna create an account :3

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