UFC 211: Miocic vs. dos Santos 2

Miocic is just a beast, thats his 4th or 5th KO in the first round.

Lol @ Cormier pushing hard to promote a Cain vs Miocic to happen, fucking absurd when he s his teammate. That being said I think its the only HW match for title that could happen atm? Ngannou prob has to fight someone like Werdum or Overeem first to get the title shot

Man in his post-fight interview JDS said he didn't make any mistakes and he likes to move backwards. I wish I had the patience to make a video of how many punches he took (in his career) to the jaw or back of his ear while moving to the right with his back against the fences.

On May 14 2017 03:55 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On May 14 2017 03:45 traxamillion wrote: nice win but this makes me think tyrone will smash on him I dont know, Woodley isnt a lose figher who gets in and out of range fast like Masvidal is, Woodley waits tensly and explodes, that is a style that gets clinched easily, I dont think Maia should shoot for double legs, Woodley would sprawl easily, he should simply walk woodly down mummy-style to the cage trying to trigger the right-hand rush, with a tucked chin and stiff arming him and elbows blocking (like Rory did) he should be somewhat safe from the bomb and Woodly would be rushing into the clinch

I hate Woodley, but he's got some of the best TDD in the game. He is insanely strong too, even if Maia gets the clinch I think Woodley shrugs him off.

Plus I think you're optimistic about Maia's striking defense. Maias main defense against strikes is shooting double legs from a half mile away. Trying to walk into the clinch = KO'd imo.

Yea I think getting the TD vs anyone else except Woodley is easy for Maia. That fast twitch, TDD, insane one shot KO power is death for Maia

I'm sad for Maia because i think hes not just an amazing fighter, he's also an amazing human being. I think he can do very good against a lot of the WW divison... but Woodley is simply the worst matchup there is for him.
I definetly favor Woodley in that fight.

On May 14 2017 19:42 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On May 14 2017 03:55 Baalim wrote:   On May 14 2017 03:45 traxamillion wrote: nice win but this makes me think tyrone will smash on him I dont know, Woodley isnt a lose figher who gets in and out of range fast like Masvidal is, Woodley waits tensly and explodes, that is a style that gets clinched easily, I dont think Maia should shoot for double legs, Woodley would sprawl easily, he should simply walk woodly down mummy-style to the cage trying to trigger the right-hand rush, with a tucked chin and stiff arming him and elbows blocking (like Rory did) he should be somewhat safe from the bomb and Woodly would be rushing into the clinch I hate Woodley, but he's got some of the best TDD in the game. He is insanely strong too, even if Maia gets the clinch I think Woodley shrugs him off. Plus I think you're optimistic about Maia's striking defense. Maias main defense against strikes is shooting double legs from a half mile away. Trying to walk into the clinch = KO'd imo.

oh I totally agree with you, its very likely Woodley just shoves him off or that Maia simply eats that silly right hook but what I was saying is that Masvidal didnt really expose anything in Maia that Woodley could use, his fighting stance isnt fluid he cant strike and get out of takedown range like Masvidal did, he can defeat Maia but in a different way.

I still think thats the way Maia should fight, keeping a stiff left arm elbows out and practicing deeping his head to the right and walk Woodley aggressively to the cage and trying to create the most clinches and scrambles possible because if he stays at punching distance trying to time a double leg it is going to be a very boring fight where Maia simply can never complete a takedown and Woodley throws 1 punch per minute.

Perhaps he could try to trigger that weird Woodley thing does when he is against the cage and time the takedown there, but Woodley would be stupid to do that but who knows.... JDS keeps backing against the cage lol

On May 14 2017 19:42 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On May 14 2017 03:55 Baalim wrote:   On May 14 2017 03:45 traxamillion wrote: nice win but this makes me think tyrone will smash on him I dont know, Woodley isnt a lose figher who gets in and out of range fast like Masvidal is, Woodley waits tensly and explodes, that is a style that gets clinched easily, I dont think Maia should shoot for double legs, Woodley would sprawl easily, he should simply walk woodly down mummy-style to the cage trying to trigger the right-hand rush, with a tucked chin and stiff arming him and elbows blocking (like Rory did) he should be somewhat safe from the bomb and Woodly would be rushing into the clinch I hate Woodley,

cos hes black?

Woodley s probably the most underrated top tier UFC figher atm and Maia is the perfect matchup for him

Woodley's whiny path to the title (KO win vs a decent but mostly one dimensional Dong Hyung Kim and a split decision vs an overweight Gastelum) was one of the more undeserving routes ever taken. Then started calling for money fights not quite 20 minutes removed from winning the title while trying to avoid the actual contender, Wonderboy. Then tried to dodge a rematch after having a draw while playing the race card. And that's not mentioning his previous transparently fake, self serving Ferguson bull crap that he only ever spotlighted when it was in the public news. Meanwhile Maia had to quietly stop the streaks of Laflare, Magny, Gunnar (the true underrated 170'er), Brown, and Condit before being forced to face a surging Masvidal while having to hear Woodley spew some more dumb crap about how dumb he was for taking the Masvidal fight. I'm really unsure how a reasonable MMA fan could root for Woodley against Maia

With that said, I'm in the same camp of thinking Woodley is a terrible matchup for Maia. Hopefully it just makes it that much sweeter if Maia can manage to choke him out

On May 15 2017 13:16 Spitfiree wrote: Woodley s probably the most underrated top tier UFC figher atm and Maia is the perfect matchup for him

How exactly is he "under rated"
Odds were really close when he fought Lawler for the belt. Lawler was -120
And odds were really close in the Thompson rematch, and the fight actually was really close.

I think Woodley is a top tier WW, easily in top 3, and thats what most people consider him to be.

And i do agree he is a really bad matchup for maia.

Rooting for Maia. Maia should just throw himself on the mat and work from there. Woodley looks scared as fuck when against the cage and he just goes on rampage from there. I don't know how to expect Maia to walk him down because he isn't threatening much other than takedowns from what i've seen.

JDS is deteriorating fast.

On May 16 2017 05:28 cariadon wrote: Rooting for Maia. Maia should just throw himself on the mat and work from there. Woodley looks scared as fuck when against the cage and he just goes on rampage from there. I don't know how to expect Maia to walk him down because he isn't threatening much other than takedowns from what i've seen.

lol I dont know what you mean by throw himself on the mat lol, he has to take woodley down, woodley is not going to jump on his guard obv.

And Maia can walk him down because Woodley doesnt hold ground and cant punch while moving backwards so he moves backwards trying to create a collision Machida style, but without the timing and setups but Maia is stiff and slow and has no head movement so theres a pretty good chance he gets Knocked the fuck out if he doesnt use his arms properly to block those bombs

Doubt Woodley is going to move backwards nearly as much as he usually does. He's not going to be in there vs a Rory or a Condit or a Thompson...pretty aggressive strikers who, in a way, forced him to back up because they at least had the ability to light him up in space in the center. Something Demian clearly can't do. Could see Woodley doing it a little just for the purpose of trying to time Maia's shoot with a knee or uppercut but I mean...he doesn't really throw a lot of either of those

Actually, when I think about it Woodley barely won against a really weak Gastelum at that time in a 3 round fight. Surely he has become better since then, but Maia is better than Gastelum as well, except Gastelum probably has a much better punch game though. Then again as far as i remember, Gastelum couldnt get a TD and played on the feet and thats why he lost... been a long time cant remember

On May 16 2017 08:32 iakim322 wrote: Doubt Woodley is going to move backwards nearly as much as he usually does. He's not going to be in there vs a Rory or a Condit or a Thompson...pretty aggressive strikers who, in a way, forced him to back up because they at least had the ability to light him up in space in the center. Something Demian clearly can't do. Could see Woodley doing it a little just for the purpose of trying to time Maia's shoot with a knee or uppercut but I mean...he doesn't really throw a lot of either of those

Woodley sure shouldnt back down, but most fighters cant just change the way they fight overnight, after all they have been doing it all their lives, especially "woodley type" of fighters who heavily rely on their athleticism, so If Maia were to press forwards I would expect Woodly to be way more trigger happy but still backpedaling.

I think Maia sould take a page of Werdums book and develop a very loose kick-heavy striking game but not falling in love with it and losing sight what makes you good like Dong Hyun Kim did.

On May 16 2017 05:28 cariadon wrote: Rooting for Maia. Maia should just throw himself on the mat and work from there. Woodley looks scared as fuck when against the cage and he just goes on rampage from there. I don't know how to expect Maia to walk him down because he isn't threatening much other than takedowns from what i've seen.

And why exactly would Woodley go there? That's only way Maia can win.
I also want Maia to win tho.
Maia is one of my favorite fighter as a person... and woodley is the exact opposite lol

On May 17 2017 04:51 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2017 08:32 iakim322 wrote: Doubt Woodley is going to move backwards nearly as much as he usually does. He's not going to be in there vs a Rory or a Condit or a Thompson...pretty aggressive strikers who, in a way, forced him to back up because they at least had the ability to light him up in space in the center. Something Demian clearly can't do. Could see Woodley doing it a little just for the purpose of trying to time Maia's shoot with a knee or uppercut but I mean...he doesn't really throw a lot of either of those Woodley sure shouldnt back down, but most fighters cant just change the way they fight overnight, after all they have been doing it all their lives, especially "woodley type" of fighters who heavily rely on their athleticism, so If Maia were to press forwards I would expect Woodly to be way more trigger happy but still backpedaling. I think Maia sould take a page of Werdums book and develop a very loose kick-heavy striking game but not falling in love with it and losing sight what makes you good like Dong Hyun Kim did.

He tried that



Maia tried to play the striking game a bit more and had pretty poor results. Seems like he's hellbent on the constantly shooting takedowns the entire fight. Thing is, if he doesn't get to rest on your back for 3 minutes every round he gasses badly. He was gassing horribly against Masvidal then was allowed to rest for like 3 minutes in round 2 when he pulled guard and Masvidal stupidly didn't pull away and got reversed into a TD. Then again Masvidal stupidly threw a high kick in round 3 which got him taken down. I feel that was Masvidals fight to win, he was stuffing all the poor TDs in round 2 and Maia was super gassed, but stayed in Maia's guard way too long.

Against a guy like Woodley who isn't gonna give up easy takedowns that allows him to rest, I expect him to be defcon purple gassed by the 2nd or 3rd round, like he was with Rory. He was so tired he could barely stand up.

In his last 5th round fight he was so tired he laid on his back for like 2 minutes of the round refusing to get up and got a point taken lol.

On May 17 2017 20:29 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2017 04:51 Baalim wrote:   On May 16 2017 08:32 iakim322 wrote: Doubt Woodley is going to move backwards nearly as much as he usually does. He's not going to be in there vs a Rory or a Condit or a Thompson...pretty aggressive strikers who, in a way, forced him to back up because they at least had the ability to light him up in space in the center. Something Demian clearly can't do. Could see Woodley doing it a little just for the purpose of trying to time Maia's shoot with a knee or uppercut but I mean...he doesn't really throw a lot of either of those Woodley sure shouldnt back down, but most fighters cant just change the way they fight overnight, after all they have been doing it all their lives, especially "woodley type" of fighters who heavily rely on their athleticism, so If Maia were to press forwards I would expect Woodly to be way more trigger happy but still backpedaling. I think Maia sould take a page of Werdums book and develop a very loose kick-heavy striking game but not falling in love with it and losing sight what makes you good like Dong Hyun Kim did. He tried that Maia tried to play the striking game a bit more and had pretty poor results. Seems like he's hellbent on the constantly shooting takedowns the entire fight. Thing is, if he doesn't get to rest on your back for 3 minutes every round he gasses badly. He was gassing horribly against Masvidal then was allowed to rest for like 3 minutes in round 2 when he pulled guard and Masvidal stupidly didn't pull away and got reversed into a TD. Then again Masvidal stupidly threw a high kick in round 3 which got him taken down. I feel that was Masvidals fight to win, he was stuffing all the poor TDs in round 2 and Maia was super gassed, but stayed in Maia's guard way too long. Against a guy like Woodley who isn't gonna give up easy takedowns that allows him to rest, I expect him to be defcon purple gassed by the 2nd or 3rd round, like he was with Rory. He was so tired he could barely stand up. In his last 5th round fight he was so tired he laid on his back for like 2 minutes of the round refusing to get up and got a point taken lol.

Well kicking at punching distance is awful I'm not saying he should try to strike with strikers more like training a lot on long distance kicks, flashy spinning kicks and anything thats not normally done because of the dangers of being taken down, those stuff can easily give him rounds if the opponent refuses to engage and close the distance.

But yeah I agree that its a good matchup for Woodley the most likely scenario is that he stuffs all the takedowns and Maia gasses hard, hopefully Woodley will KO him in later rounds and doesnt cruise to a 3rd super boring title fight

On May 16 2017 07:57 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2017 05:28 cariadon wrote: Rooting for Maia. Maia should just throw himself on the mat and work from there. Woodley looks scared as fuck when against the cage and he just goes on rampage from there. I don't know how to expect Maia to walk him down because he isn't threatening much other than takedowns from what i've seen. lol I dont know what you mean by throw himself on the mat lol, he has to take woodley down, woodley is not going to jump on his guard obv. And Maia can walk him down because Woodley doesnt hold ground and cant punch while moving backwards so he moves backwards trying to create a collision Machida style, but without the timing and setups but Maia is stiff and slow and has no head movement so theres a pretty good chance he gets Knocked the fuck out if he doesnt use his arms properly to block those bombs

That's exactly what i mean. Throw himself on the mat. Why do referees stand fighters up anyway? Why isn't just laying there a viable strategy? :D
Something weird has to happen for Woodley to be taken down. Even if he is taken down he'll probably just try and power out of it kinda like he does when backd against a cage and just acts out.