https://www.liquidpoker.net/


LP international Poland    Contact            Users: 218 Active, 0 Logged in - Time: 15:04

Pride and Shame

New to LiquidPoker? Register here for free!
Forum Index > General
RiKD    United States. Nov 27 2016 03:31. Posts 8431

Does anyone get annoyed with pride?

Not many in my circles believe that free will is an illusion. The ones that typically do believe in the illusion of free will believe there is a God that is usually Christian in nature that is running things. Many of them do not understand my pride and shame position and are hypocritical with a lot of their God beliefs.

I guess I should get to my position: That there is no free will and that pride and shame are silly responses to anything.

But, why do I get mad at a mother for overbearing, obnoxious pride for something her child has done? The mother is just conditioned to act that way as the result of how the daughter has been gifted and conditioned?

How has free will become such an entrenched belief?

How do people believe in an all knowing, all powerful God that runs the universe and then believe that they have free will?

I have gotten to a point where I do not feel proud about anything. This could be an exaggeration but I literally can not think in recent history that I felt proud rather than lucky or grateful.

Shame is a different one. I still feel shame about my past. I still feel shame about my present. I realize that it is silly but I still feel very real shame. I think it is because the idea of if other people knew about this stuff they would not look at it as unlucky and even though it is unlucky it still bothers me. With some of this stuff it would be so bad ass to be completely open and just be like "well, that is just the way the cookie crumbled" or "yeah, I was a bit unlucky." I am afraid of being judged. I am being judged. I will be judged.

shame

a painful feeling of humiliation or distress caused by the consciousness of wrong or foolish behavior.

Wrong or foolish behavior judged by me? wrong or foolish behavior judged by the other(s). How right is one's conscious? Can it be fickle, and misleading like one's thoughts?

Facebook Twitter

uiCk   Canada. Nov 27 2016 06:28. Posts 3521

From what I observed, Pride and Shame seem to be instinctive tools for motivation to go beyond reason. Both can be extremely positive and negative, depending on situation/person. I guess it's part of the ego-sphere?

I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike TysonLast edit: 27/11/2016 06:30

jeremy5408   United States. Nov 27 2016 07:37. Posts 122

"I have gotten to a point where I do not feel proud about anything. This could be an exaggeration but I literally can not think in recent history that I felt proud rather than lucky or grateful."

what a bare and honest sentiment. i remember (and still sometimes) feeling that way. for several years actually. but it lead to certain actions (mostly inaction) and led to bland consequences/outcomes. i'm not sure how to reconcile this, because i know that free will doesn't exist and i don't think it's even an illusion at this point. yet i have to "believe" and "feel" as though i do have some control over my future which has led me to certain actions that yielded in consequences/outcomes worth experiencing.

as for shame/pride, if you want to view it from a different lens i highly recommend josh waitzkin's book "the art of learning." there is some good material but something specific i recall is about not having an ego to protect when competing/training.


YoMeR   United States. Dec 03 2016 22:42. Posts 12435

With no ego there is no humans.

It's in our nature to feel pride and shame based on the standard social constructs laid out for us when we were children.

eZ Life. 

 



Poker Streams

















Copyright © 2024. LiquidPoker.net All Rights Reserved
Contact Advertise Sitemap