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On August 02 2016 12:53 VanDerMeyde wrote: 200 mosques in France closed For spreading extremism. (Islam)

Wow really? source?

On August 02 2016 23:17 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 12:53 VanDerMeyde wrote: 200 mosques in France closed For spreading extremism. (Islam) Wow really? source?

it's 20, not 200

http://www.thejournal.ie/france-has-shut-20-mosques-2905469-Aug2016/

@drone,

i guess i'm just a cynic, i still refuse to believe politicians are motivated 100% by kind feeling and altruism in this regard, they might sincerely feel that way but they wouldn't go to these lengths without some extra bonuses involved, in my humble opinion.

edit:

regarding the french mosques, if you read the article it's 'since last december', and from what i gather a large amount of these mosques are effectively 5 jihadis having a 'mosque' in a rented small office or something of the sort.

20 mosques/places of prayers closed since last December, per google.

Heh yes im sorry. Indeed 20.

Totally there are 200 mosques in France according to the article.

Maybe it was wishful thinking...

On August 03 2016 13:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: Maybe it was wishful thinking...

Facepalm

First we close their mosques, then we send em to live in a particular district, then we send them to a camp.. oh wait that was Hitler my bad

There are around 2500 mosques/prayer halls in France.

On August 03 2016 15:47 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2016 13:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: Maybe it was wishful thinking... Facepalm First we close their mosques, then we send em to live in a particular district, then we send them to a camp.. oh wait that was Hitler my bad

they already live in their own districts and refugee camps, Winston

On August 02 2016 06:50 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2016 19:50 Liquid`Drone wrote: My understanding is really more along the lines of the refugee crisis being the one situation where merkel truly followed her heart.. Pre-refugee crisis she's been a super pragmatic chancellor who has never been blinded by ideology, been occupied with consolidation of power and finding agreeable solutions across the board that provides stability and some life improvement in small increments at a time. Then the refugee crisis comes, and this is no longer the case - she chooses potentially unstable and polarizing because she believed it was the right thing to do - potentially ruining her own political career as a consequence thereof. (To be fair, the population was indeed very pro-refugee at first and has become less positive as time has passed, so I do get where you're coming from. I just think it's wrong in this case - which I mostly base on seeing what germans whose political views tend to overlap with mine think about the issue. But either way, I'm not gonna defend this one to death. ;p ) Also I've actually met Merkel, she smiled to me and waved her hand from 15 meters distance before entering her car (security was making it clear that I could not come any closer). But either way she came off as this (tiny and frail) old nice grandmother and I have had a much better impression of her after seeing her in person. I totally agree that people are selfish and self serving. But sometimes even this becomes altruistic, to some people the experience of self-sacrifice for an important case is less devastating than the experience of having the chance to make the world a better place and not acting. And it's just.. I know quite a lot of people who have been pro-refugee activists in some form. They all tend to be particularly selfless and caring people. anecdotal whatever, 'open borders' is hardly ever really a populist position imo, leftist populism takes a different form. yes I think there is a good chance she did it because she though thought it was the right thing to do, if she knew it was political suicide at the time I doubt it, there is also the possibility that she thought it was the right thing to do and she thought she would look like a savior, that would go in line with how most people act.

Yeah I can agree with this. I think it's unlikely that she thought it would politically backfire the way it has, I think she thought she did the right thing, that people would see it was the right thing and that they would appreciate her for doing the right thing. (more so than they'd be negative at least).

On August 03 2016 16:33 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2016 15:47 Spitfiree wrote:   On August 03 2016 13:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: Maybe it was wishful thinking... Facepalm First we close their mosques, then we send em to live in a particular district, then we send them to a camp.. oh wait that was Hitler my bad they already live in their own districts and refugee camps, Winston

Its one thing to be put in camp cause of massive immigration, another to be put there even though you already live somewhere else.
Of course, you gotta come off and do a dumb comment as usual.

Politicians don't do things " because its the right thing to do" especially, someone like Merkel. Don't be that naive. Whether we understand the true reasoning behind it though, is another thing.

Spitfire, not everyone likes Burka, Sharia laws, Jihadism, Martyrdom and all the proven problems with Islam. You have to get used to this idea, even if you dont give a fuck about how women are threated in the muslim world or gay men thrown down from buildings or stoned to Death.

Radical Islam is much closer to Nazism than those you try to label as such. I dont mind migration as long as there are jobs to offer. I think people from South America, America, Canada, Australia, Europe, Asia etc are great. The problem is mass import of Islam and islamisation of Europe.

My neighbour is from Argentina acctually. He used to live in Sweden. He told me the other day, "you have to convert to Islam if you want to continue living where I lived". Would you say he is a racist, islamophobe etc ?

The Islamisation of Europe was long predicted by demography , its not a new occurrence, the mass immigration just makes the process faster.
Nope I wouldnt say he is, and I'm not in favor of islam either. You just cant be happy cause mosques get closed. Everyone has the right of his own beliefs. Forcing beliefs on others like Sharia law, etc. is another thing. Such things should result into people getting deported back to wherever they came from or get heavy sanctions if they are native citizens.
Putting a global label on all muslims however is just as ignorant.

Im not a believer of destroying the innocents as nearby casualties because the majority are dumb fucks. Thats the reason we are in this position in the first place, how do you not get that honestly

I think almost everyone in western countries who enter politics does it because they want to influence the world in a way they perceive as positive. I think this is true for literally every single member of the norwegian parliament. Obviously that's not the only reason why, but if people ONLY want power, wealth, prestige or fame, then politics just is not a good choice. For one, it's difficult. Successful politicians will usually have a near-academic understanding of a multitude of subjects, and they could be successful in academia or consulting or whatever if not politics. Even though you might achieve fame, at best you're liked by a small majority of the population. It doesn't pay particularly well (in any western country).. Power&prestige, sure, but only really for like, 0,1% of people who enter politics. A large majority of politicians are local politicians - which is sometimes largely unpaid work that is largely unappreciated..

I agree there are prominent exceptions, I don't think berlusconi ever had much of a noble agenda, and I totally understand if people are skeptical of the intentions of many high level politicians even if I might personally disagree regarding specific individuals. But a huge majority of people who enter politics never reach positions of much individual power.. I honestly think that even though high level positions is a different game, possibly because power pretty much always corrupts, politicians on average are if anything more noble than the population as a whole (I do accept the caveat that nobody is more noble than anyone ).

On August 04 2016 07:19 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2016 16:33 Santafairy wrote:   On August 03 2016 15:47 Spitfiree wrote:   On August 03 2016 13:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: Maybe it was wishful thinking... Facepalm First we close their mosques, then we send em to live in a particular district, then we send them to a camp.. oh wait that was Hitler my bad they already live in their own districts and refugee camps, Winston Its one thing to be put in camp cause of massive immigration, another to be put there even though you already live somewhere else.

then when do you think the new holocaust will start? now that radicalization centers are being closed, realistically how long do you predict before there's extermination camps?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6...unich-shooter-Ali-Sonboly-prosecution

Make sure never to make racist remarks towards someone that is killing people.

Why is no one else reporting this except for the tabloid that is express.co.uk aka daily express ?

no charges have been pressed if I understood correctly

On August 04 2016 22:25 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2016 07:19 Spitfiree wrote:   On August 03 2016 16:33 Santafairy wrote:   On August 03 2016 15:47 Spitfiree wrote:   On August 03 2016 13:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: Maybe it was wishful thinking... Facepalm First we close their mosques, then we send em to live in a particular district, then we send them to a camp.. oh wait that was Hitler my bad they already live in their own districts and refugee camps, Winston Its one thing to be put in camp cause of massive immigration, another to be put there even though you already live somewhere else. then when do you think the new holocaust will start? now that radicalization centers are being closed, realistically how long do you predict before there's extermination camps?

Do I really have to explain every simple post to you ? I'm not saying there ll be a genocide ( although we could argue the genocide has already happened in Mid-east, but w/e we re talking about Europe ). I'm saying that such way of thinking is dangerous to say the least. Do you think Hitler viewed himself as the villain ? Didn't think he s getting rid of a pest that would lead to Europe's destruction ?
How can i have a normal discussion with someone that takes everything literally ??

P.S. Friendly remainder, all of the questions are rhetorical.

I still dont get why I cant be happy whenever mosques are closed. Did I miss some sort of new blasphemy law or something ?

I cant really help it eighter. Its a dumb, evil and dangerous religion. It poisons every society it enters. And I dont believe the politicians when they say "Islam has nothing to do with Islam" in speeches. So I choose to feel happy about that, now what are you gonna do ?

Islam has nothing to do with islam

On August 05 2016 07:04 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2016 22:25 Santafairy wrote:   On August 04 2016 07:19 Spitfiree wrote:   On August 03 2016 16:33 Santafairy wrote:   On August 03 2016 15:47 Spitfiree wrote:   On August 03 2016 13:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: Maybe it was wishful thinking... Facepalm First we close their mosques, then we send em to live in a particular district, then we send them to a camp.. oh wait that was Hitler my bad they already live in their own districts and refugee camps, Winston Its one thing to be put in camp cause of massive immigration, another to be put there even though you already live somewhere else. then when do you think the new holocaust will start? now that radicalization centers are being closed, realistically how long do you predict before there's extermination camps? Do I really have to explain every simple post to you ? I'm not saying there ll be a genocide ( although we could argue the genocide has already happened in Mid-east, but w/e we re talking about Europe ). I'm saying that such way of thinking is dangerous to say the least. Do you think Hitler viewed himself as the villain ? Didn't think he s getting rid of a pest that would lead to Europe's destruction ? How can i have a normal discussion with someone that takes everything literally ??

Okay, I understand, you were actually joking, mocking the Godwin's Law people who think closing radical mosques, which is a reasonable and prudent idea, is bad because it puts us on a slippery slope to Arab genocide.