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UFC on FOX 20: Holm vs. Shevchenko

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PuertoRican   United States. Jul 24 2016 00:58. Posts 13044


  On July 23 2016 23:28 lucky331 wrote:
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holm ML at -161 now. feels like a trap?



All depends how much you like Holm.

Even at -110/-110, I'd feel uncomfortable betting Holm in this fight. Her decision line is +118, but I'd still pass on it.

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jvilla777   Australia. Jul 24 2016 01:09. Posts 1348

Pepey's coach: don't pull guard any more..
Pepey in the 3rd round pulls guard twice

longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! 

PuertoRican   United States. Jul 24 2016 01:12. Posts 13044


  On July 24 2016 00:09 jvilla777 wrote:
Pepey's coach: don't pull guard any more..
Pepey in the 3rd round pulls guard twice



Pepey gets back up, then pulls guard...

I didn't expect him to come in with a terrible game plan. He was content with pulling guard multiple times against a grinding fighter who has no issues winning via boring decision.

It was also Pepey's first fight outside of Brazil, but I don't know if that mattered much.

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ERASA   Germany. Jul 24 2016 01:38. Posts 2440

Ngannou vs D. Lewis please


PuertoRican   United States. Jul 24 2016 01:38. Posts 13044

Ngannou with the fast finish.

Now we gotta wait at least 25 minutes until the Barboza/Melendez fight.

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Montrachet   Canada. Jul 24 2016 02:19. Posts 120

Melendez won't walk for couple days at least. He must regret going for that double leg when Barboza was hurt. Barboza really went super safe on that third round.


PuertoRican   United States. Jul 24 2016 02:21. Posts 13044

Time for Gilbert to call it a day and go run his gym and coach his wife full-time.

He's 1-4 in the UFC, and hasn't improved in any area of MMA in several years.

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Montrachet   Canada. Jul 24 2016 02:31. Posts 120

He is still an entertaining fighter but hes far from a title shot now. That division is stacked. He looked kinda dumb not being able to go southpaw when his lead leg was fucked.


ERASA   Germany. Jul 24 2016 03:10. Posts 2440

3-1 valentina?


Montrachet   Canada. Jul 24 2016 03:11. Posts 120

Holm has no solutions to offer.


PuertoRican   United States. Jul 24 2016 03:16. Posts 13044

Clear 4-1 for Shevchenko, imo.

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Montrachet   Canada. Jul 24 2016 03:18. Posts 120

Yeah 4-1 mostl likely


jvilla777   Australia. Jul 24 2016 03:27. Posts 1348


  On July 14 2016 19:17 PuertoRican wrote:
First impression of the match-ups:

• Shevchenko > Holm
• Barboza > Melendez
• Ngannou > Mihajlovic
• Herrig > Curran
• Saenz > Wineland
• Oliveira > Moontasri
• Elkins > Pepey
• Usman > Yakovlev
• Prazeres vs. Cottrell (dunno)
• Sullivan > Urbina
• Alers vs. Knight (dunno)
• Henrique vs. Smolyakov (dunno)




How in the heck did you spot Shevchenko to win straight up? Pretty crazy imo.

Broke even in this even, won on Oliviera, Herrig and a bunch on barboza, lost on Pepey, Saenz on Holm

longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! 

PuertoRican   United States. Jul 24 2016 03:38. Posts 13044




  On July 24 2016 02:27 jvilla777 wrote:
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How in the heck did you spot Shevchenko to win straight up? Pretty crazy imo.

Broke even in this even, won on Oliviera, Herrig and a bunch on barboza, lost on Pepey, Saenz on Holm


- I know how both Shevchenko and Holm fight.
- Shevchenko has fought 5 rounds multiple times in recent fights, so I knew it wouldn't be a problem.
- Holly is a low volume striker and has no power. Shevchenko throws a little more strikes per round and is WAY more skilled in overall striking, while Holm is just a pitter patter boxer with slow kicks (her kicks looked even slower tonight).
- Shevchenko is a black belt in Judo -- among other martial arts -- and took down Sarah Kaufman several times. Kaufman is well-known for her TDD.
- I expected Shevchenko to get more take downs and possibly win via late submission, but her coaches told her to stop wasting her energy on TDs and clinch, so she kept the fight in the middle.
- Holm almost lost a split-decision against Pennington, a brawler, in her UFC debut.
- If you ever watch Holm's boxing matches, you'll know she has no problem winning via points. She has no sense of urgency, which is bad if she can't land and is getting countered.
- Since Holm is an outside fighter, I assumed Shevchenko would have an easy time game planning for her. She wouldn't need to worry about take downs, and she didn't have to worry about submission attempts.

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PuertoRican   United States. Jul 24 2016 04:31. Posts 13044

Amanda Nunes responded on Twitter that she thinks Shevchenko still needs to improve her skills before they rematch, and that she should fight Julianna Pena first.

Nunes clearly doesn't want a piece of Pena. She also knows Shevchenko will finish what she started in Round 3 of their first fight.


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traxamillion   United States. Jul 24 2016 04:32. Posts 10468

I hammered the fk out of shevchenko at +265.

Also had a nice parlay on cowboy+ barboza.


Baalim   Mexico. Jul 24 2016 05:21. Posts 34250


  On July 24 2016 02:38 PuertoRican wrote:


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- I know how both Shevchenko and Holm fight.
- Shevchenko has fought 5 rounds multiple times in recent fights, so I knew it wouldn't be a problem.
- Holly is a low volume striker and has no power. Shevchenko throws a little more strikes per round and is WAY more skilled in overall striking, while Holm is just a pitter patter boxer with slow kicks (her kicks looked even slower tonight).
- Shevchenko is a black belt in Judo -- among other martial arts -- and took down Sarah Kaufman several times. Kaufman is well-known for her TDD.
- I expected Shevchenko to get more take downs and possibly win via late submission, but her coaches told her to stop wasting her energy on TDs and clinch, so she kept the fight in the middle.
- Holm almost lost a split-decision against Pennington, a brawler, in her UFC debut.
- If you ever watch Holm's boxing matches, you'll know she has no problem winning via points. She has no sense of urgency, which is bad if she can't land and is getting countered.
- Since Holm is an outside fighter, I assumed Shevchenko would have an easy time game planning for her. She wouldn't need to worry about take downs, and she didn't have to worry about submission attempts.



People overrate Holm since she defeated Rousey and I was the one most vocal saying Holm would beat Ronda but simply because it was a stylistical nightmare for Rousey but she has done very poorly against very mediocre competition, her boxing is suprisingly bad (considering her credentials), she has no head movement, has awful combinations, isnt that great countering, she is technical and utilizes the southpaw tricks well and also covers distance quickly... actually I thought her distance control was better but after watching this fight wtf... it looked like SHE needed to get in range.

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Montrachet   Canada. Jul 24 2016 14:37. Posts 120

Indeed Holm seemed like she had to get in range. All her shots were short or she would kinda bull rush in a 3-4 combination and end up missing all the shevchenko landing a leg kick.


cariadon   Estonia. Jul 26 2016 06:58. Posts 4019

Holm looked like garbage. She is terrible offencively. Just more of the same "usshhh ushhh" retarded combos that fall short 40cm of touching anything. Super tentative.
Let Shevchenko loose, she has some beast mode in her and i'd like to see her go full retard on someone.


Baalim   Mexico. Jul 26 2016 07:39. Posts 34250


  On July 24 2016 13:37 Montrachet wrote:
Indeed Holm seemed like she had to get in range. All her shots were short or she would kinda bull rush in a 3-4 combination and end up missing all the shevchenko landing a leg kick.



She always does that, its as if she is unable to make a short step-in and throw a combination, she either counters or lunges throwing 1-2s as she walks with every punch (thus having little power in those), when she was going to fight Ronda I wasnt sure Holly wold win because she always does that stupid walking-punching thing but thankfully she didnt, but why in the fuck doesnt she just jab Valentina and kick her with her super long and strong legs? ridiculous, distance management is supposed to be her forte.

Also the fucking oblique quick.. probably the most overrated technique in MMA that Jackson taught to Jones to keep charging fighters at bay and now fighters are trying that shit on awful spots like Holm, instead of throwing full power roundhouse kick to a sitting Valentina, she throws that retarded oblique quick which has less range than a jab and she got countered every single time... god, I hate that kick.

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