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NewbSaibot   United States. Jun 04 2016 04:36. Posts 4952 | | |
I'm going to post a series of hand histories from what I believed to be a solid reg to determine if I should be adjusting my read on him entirely based upon these observations. These hands were all played out in less than an hour, so probably with 15 hands of each other. Last night the 5/10 table broke and what I've considered to be a solid player sits across from me at my 2/5 game. I've played a couple of hours with him before and never seen him make any gross plays, tends to raise premiums preflop and just value bet when he hits.
Hand 1: + Show Spoiler +
Reg ($500) UTG raises $20
MP calls
Hero ($1100) calls AQo OTB
SB calls
BB calls
Flop ($100) 569r
Everyone checks
Turn ($100) 5696r
Reg UTG bets $50
MP folds
Hero calls
SB and BB fold
River ($200) 56962r
Reg checks
Hero checks
Reg shows QJo
So this is obviously why I called, because I dont expect someone to check a made hand on the flop with 4 players left to act, nor do I expect them to suddenly decide a turn brick is a good spot to get value.
Hand 2: + Show Spoiler +
UTG raises $15
UTG+1 calls
MP calls
Hero MP2 ($1200) calls with J9dd
Reg BTN ($400) calls
Flop ($75) Ad 2s 5d
UTG bets $30
MP calls
Hero calls
BTN calls
Turn ($195) Ad 2s 5d 7c
Everyone checks
River ($195) Ad 8s 5d 7c 10d
UTG checks
MP checks
Hero bets $150
Reg jams
Hero calls
BTN shows Q4dd
Now at this point I'm a little surprised to see Q4s even part of his range. I'm kind of starting to walk back on my assessment that he might be solid. I dont think he's bad per se, and maybe he's just used to getting away with the highly exploitable live culture playing hands like that. But normally I kinda insta-label anyone who plays a hand like that as a fish. Whatever, we'll give him this one since he had position and maybe he's just that good.
Hand 3: + Show Spoiler +
UTG straddles $10
Reg UTG+1 ($900) raises to $25
I'm ending the hand here because nothing interesting happens. The concern is that this reg is raising to $25 on a straddle from UTG, which seems super fishy to me.
Hand 4: + Show Spoiler +
UTG raises $30
MP calls
Hero calls in CO
Reg calls from BB
On the flop reg donkbets $30
Again, another super fishy play. There is just really nothing to write home about this. Donking 1/4 pot can never be good and I have no idea what he's trying to accomplish other than the usual fish logic of "trying to see where I'm at with a shit pair"
Is it time I reverse my decision on this guy? I doubt I'll ever play him that often since he's usually hanging out at 5/10 PLO, but this just has to do with making quick reads on people in general. I dont think he's like your standard limp any 2 kind of fish, but he still seems to be playing pretty bad in these hands. Under normal circumstances I just silently whisper to myself "game fuckin' on" when I see this type of action. As indicated at the start of this thread he more or less seems to play decent hands, nothing fancy, but maybe he's just kinda run good from the few times I have seen him. Last night someone was talking about how he lost a 9k pot at 5/10 NLHE against a whale when the reg rivered trips. Just from that one single mention I kinda raised an eyebrow since like, how do you lose nearly 500BB rivering trips.
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Sounds like every single live reg in socal.
I think donking on low multi way flops is A OK |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jun 04 2016 11:47. Posts 9634 | | |
H1 He has plenty of hands that play like that like A5s,A6s 77 88 etc. , but think AQo s a decent call there, hand he bet is absurd lol
H2 is foldable after the shove by him, especially considering the hand you hold.
H4 depends on the board
Overall considering H1 and 2, I doubt the guy is even close to decent, however I doubt he would spew, seems like a the typical 50/20 loose passive fish that takes occasional 1street stabs in dumb spots |
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Everything seems good/standard out of villain. The Q4s call closing the action with like 6:1 odds?
The small strattle raise is 2.5x what's possibly fishy about it? I think it'd a good adjustment if most of your table is still short around 500 or less. And lastly 1/4 pot bets in multi way pots seem super standard to me in many spots
Whats even the question?
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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:35. Posts 10468 | | |
| | On June 05 2016 03:42 casinocasino wrote:
And lastly 1/4 pot bets in multi way pots seem super standard to me in many spots
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I don't disagree, there are appropriate situations for it but u wanna give an example. i think h4 we would need to see the board to know how good/bad it is |
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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:37. Posts 10468 | | | |
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NewbSaibot   United States. Jun 05 2016 15:05. Posts 4952 | | |
| | On June 05 2016 03:42 casinocasino wrote:
Everything seems good/standard out of villain. The Q4s call closing the action with like 6:1 odds?
The small strattle raise is 2.5x what's possibly fishy about it? I think it'd a good adjustment if most of your table is still short around 500 or less. And lastly 1/4 pot bets in multi way pots seem super standard to me in many spots
Whats even the question?
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I just thought all the weak bets vs calling stations and playing equally weak hands yourself was the mark of a fish. |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jun 05 2016 17:25. Posts 9634 | | |
I only dislike his QJo stab
H2 and 3 are stnd, 4 depending on the board might be bad |
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being as you see 30-45 hands an hour live the hands you see live will be different from online. this is looser than your average player, but i would say that is him being a more experienced than on the fishy side.
bet sizings should not be fixed,but adjusted to table dynamics and the players. seeing as how loose he is preflop opening QJo utg, he doesnt want to raise too much as hes opening a wide range preflop.
the Q4 hand meh. ive seen good regulars that play K rag suited and Q rag suited in similar situations as yours where they stack a lower flush. i was kind curious about this too but wasnt too sure. i guess 2nd and third nuts are pretty strong live cuz a lot of people are playing more suited junk.
the donk bet is a weird one too, it has happened to me before where there was a flush draw on the board. i had nothing of course but it was like 5 way and he donked 30 into 100 something. this guy is considered the best PLO in the room that has been crushing for hundreds of thousands of dollars too. but he sat down at my 2/5 NLH game lol. if he does it then there must be some logic to it.
obv they must be balancing this with super made hands and draws/mediocre hands.
where are you playing? the hardrock in tampa?
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NMcNasty   United States. Jun 10 2016 04:57. Posts 2041 | | |
Nothing glaringly wrong without more info. Definitely calling pre hand 1 from the button and if anything I'm playing flop/turn more aggressively. |
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