UFC 198: Werdum vs. Miocic

On May 15 2016 04:49 Minsk wrote: Are you profitable on DraftKings so far? Is DraftKings easier than betting straight up? That's actually a really good question, pros and cons of Draftkings format vs regular format. Anyone have good information?

Yes, I'm profitable on DK.

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Is DK easier than betting straight up on bookies? No.

If 1 of your 5 fighters gets finished in Round 1 of a fight, that team is usually going to lose. For example, Pat Cummins got knocked out early on this UFC card, which meant that all of the teams I had with Cummins would not return any money. Also, once a UFC card starts, all teams are locked, so you just hope for the best; you can't buy your way out of any of your teams if one of your fighters loses early.

LOL what in the fuck happened with Werdum?

He chased a fresh Miocic down pretty much fucking running with his hands down as if he was some hurt, tired wrestler crumbling chump

The card was great for me. Started bad as Cummins sucked dick, then Lineker, Lineker dec and Maia by sub, had me going for a huge night, before the fucking Shogun - Anderson fight.

The most annoying part was that I could of hedged Shogun at +170 lb at the end of R3, hesitated and paid the price. Got tilted and went huge on Cyborg R1 ( in hindsight that -160 was a gift, should have been -1000). Got lucky there and Stipe winning was cherry on top.

Stipe vs Reem should be great. And Cyborg is a savage. Her vs Tate/RR/Holm would be cool. Don't know if any of them will step up to fight her, though. Does not seem like a smart idea. Holly probably will fare the best from the 3 of them. Ronda and MIesha are getting melted.

Ronda wouldnt be an easy match up, Cyborg is sloppy and she is extremely easy to clinch.

Miesha Tate would be a very easy fight though, her striking is atrocious, no technique nor power to threaten Cyborg she can unload at will, I guess she could be a punching bag and gas Cyborg but its usually not a good plan to try to get punched in the face until the opponent gets tired lol

U could have got shogun at +170 heading into the decision? Wtf

Cyborg deserved the POTN bonus more than Jacare...

On May 15 2016 15:42 alejandicto wrote: Cyborg deserved the POTN bonus more than Jacare...

It was a squash match dude

Werdum had a great run. It had to come to an end some time. He clearly isn't the kind of fighter that looks like will dominate a division. It was great while it lasted, I was pleased with it. Hopefully he can bounce back and show us some good fights again. Now looking forward to seeing Overeem face off against Miocic later this year, it's going to be awesome. Now I'm okay with a rematch between Werdum and Velasquez :D
About the fight, that's a mistake Werdum repeats in every fight, but yesterday it was much more evident because he was literally running/chasing Miocic. I just hope he doesn't become supercautious because of it in his next fights.

Jacare was great but Vitor was so weird. I think he threw like 0 punches yesterday. Jacare really made it look easy. I was also very happy for Cyborg. It was a great showing. It's a shame she's not willing to drop some more kg to fight at the 135 div but I understand it. She looked like death on the weigh ins, kinda reminded me of McG's death-like appearance in his weigh ins.

Werdum looked fatter and slower than usual, got desperate once he realized he'd get outpointed if they fought on the outside.

I'm glad Miocic is champ and I plan on starting up on the betz0rs again soon, if so I'll be laying money on him vs Reem so long as the odds aren't too wide.

Reem can't fight at a decent pace with Miocic for more than a round if that, he'll have quite literally a punchers chance since Miocic is plenty athletic and nimble enough to stay out of the clinch with him.

On May 15 2016 08:46 Baalim wrote: LOL what in the fuck happened with Werdum? He chased a fresh Miocic down pretty much fucking running with his hands down as if he was some hurt, tired wrestler crumbling chump

That was up their with Weidmans spinning back kick in terms of complete wtf brain farts. My guess is he saw Struve do it to Stipe and KO him, but Struve had Stipe hurt, on top of the fact that he slipped on the octagon right before Struve nailed him. Plus even Struve wasn't that wild.

On May 15 2016 12:04 traxamillion wrote: U could have got shogun at +170 heading into the decision? Wtf

I'm glad Shogun got the win, but lots of people scored that 2nd round for Anderson and Shogun was clearly pretty gassed. So looked like it was 1-1 going into the 3rd with a gassed Shogun.

Yah you knew they were going to give it to Shogun though with the crowd and what-not. I'm shocked it was +170 livebetting. I would have been legit surprised if Anderson got the nod there. I mean, given how close round 2 was and then him getting semi-dropped at the end there, I'm fairly impressed even 1 judge had it for Anderson.

On May 15 2016 22:57 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On May 15 2016 08:46 Baalim wrote: LOL what in the fuck happened with Werdum? He chased a fresh Miocic down pretty much fucking running with his hands down as if he was some hurt, tired wrestler crumbling chump That was up their with Weidmans spinning back kick in terms of complete wtf brain farts. My guess is he saw Struve do it to Stipe and KO him, but Struve had Stipe hurt, on top of the fact that he slipped on the octagon right before Struve nailed him. Plus even Struve wasn't that wild.

I dont think it was a planned strategy trying to copy Struve I think it was the idiotic chute-boxe bravado and he lost sight of the real difference in the level of striking, he was fighting fine up to that point, he was kicking at will eating some punches as expected, the fight wasnt going in Stipes favor it was totally unnecessary.

On the bright side the HW division is finally very fun again and we are out of the Cain champ and Cigano titlefight gatekeeper stalemate

It looked to me like he staggered Stipe a little and then he way overcommitted trying to get the finish

Shogun was at +odds at livebetting for most of the fight. He was a favorite only after the 1st round and also after dropping Corey in the 2nd. Other than that he was going between the +120/+170 range.

Looking at it back it was a mistake not to hedge and cash a small profit given the opportunity and seeing how the fight was unfolding. I was a little swayed though by the Alves - Barbarena fight, where I thought it was a very close fight and the judges in Brasil will for sure give the nod to Alves. All 3 gave it unanimously for Barbarena and looking at all the other fights I thought that judging was fine and there was no bias for brazilian fighters.

Stipe - Reem is a 50/50 fight, imo. Miocic striking defence is not very good and Overeem can crack him a lot of different things. If Alistair can avoid the takedowns, which I think he can, He has a pretty good shot at laying Stipe out.

On May 16 2016 12:04 northsails wrote: Shogun was at +odds at livebetting for most of the fight. He was a favorite only after the 1st round and also after dropping Corey in the 2nd. Other than that he was going between the +120/+170 range. Looking at it back it was a mistake not to hedge and cash a small profit given the opportunity and seeing how the fight was unfolding. I was a little swayed though by the Alves - Barbarena fight, where I thought it was a very close fight and the judges in Brasil will for sure give the nod to Alves. All 3 gave it unanimously for Barbarena and looking at all the other fights I thought that judging was fine and there was no bias for brazilian fighters. Stipe - Reem is a 50/50 fight, imo. Miocic striking defence is not very good and Overeem can crack him a lot of different things. If Alistair can avoid the takedowns, which I think he can, He has a pretty good shot at laying Stipe out.

Reem will need to get on the inside. He won't do well on the outside with the style he used against JDS and Arlovski because Stipe is the much better boxer, wrestler, throws a lot more strikes, has the better chin, and has better foot movement.

I really want Reem to win, though.

Edit: Reem has the much better kicks, but he can only throw so many of them before he'll get tired. Greg Jackson will hopefully have another good game plan for him.

I wonder how much they pay Greg Jackson, every fighter that trains with him for a longer period of time becomes such a beast, actually feels like JBJ is the one that has least progress

On May 16 2016 15:13 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2016 12:04 northsails wrote: Shogun was at +odds at livebetting for most of the fight. He was a favorite only after the 1st round and also after dropping Corey in the 2nd. Other than that he was going between the +120/+170 range. Looking at it back it was a mistake not to hedge and cash a small profit given the opportunity and seeing how the fight was unfolding. I was a little swayed though by the Alves - Barbarena fight, where I thought it was a very close fight and the judges in Brasil will for sure give the nod to Alves. All 3 gave it unanimously for Barbarena and looking at all the other fights I thought that judging was fine and there was no bias for brazilian fighters. Stipe - Reem is a 50/50 fight, imo. Miocic striking defence is not very good and Overeem can crack him a lot of different things. If Alistair can avoid the takedowns, which I think he can, He has a pretty good shot at laying Stipe out. Reem will need to get on the inside. He won't do well on the outside with the style he used against JDS and Arlovski because Stipe is the much better boxer, wrestler, throws a lot more strikes, has the better chin, and has better foot movement. I really want Reem to win, though. Edit: Reem has the much better kicks, but he can only throw so many of them before he'll get tired. Greg Jackson will hopefully have another good game plan for him.

Don't agree with the first part. Reem getting on the inside and exchanging with Stipe is recipe for getting knocked out. He needs to stay on the outside pick his shots and when in close range clinch. His clinch is brutal. Very fun match up. I just hope they don't give the title shot to Cain if he beats Browne up.

On May 16 2016 11:08 SleepyHead wrote: It looked to me like he staggered Stipe a little and then he way overcommitted trying to get the finish

Stipe wasnt staggered actually he connected an identical right hook about 4 seconds before the KO that stunned Werdum, but he kept chasing like an idiot and got hit exactly in the same way

I think pressure brawlers like Rothwell or pot shotters like JDS are more dangerous to Reem than Stipe's technical style, Id like a bet on Reem on anything over -130