UFC FN 84: Silva vs. Bisping

I thought maybe Silva was pacing himself, like maybe he doesn't have the cardio to go for 5 rounds anymore... but he seemed quite fresh, just... refusing to actually engage when he had Bisping hurt.

Happy for Bisping tbh.

Mousasi vs Leites went about exactly how I expected Mousasi vs a non-elite of the elite MW to go... not sure why he wasn't a bigger favorite.

On February 28 2016 09:33 ERASA wrote: I a little confused i bet "bisping on points" thinking that means by decision. Now it says the bet lost because the actual outcome was "Bisping in round 5" who messed up here me or them?

Wtf that sounds like it has to be a mistake on their part?

LOL! They are saying that they are right by giving me a link to the ufc page which says there was 0:01 left in round 5...
http://uk.ufc.com/event/ufc-fight-night-london-2016

Just watched the main fight now and I think Anderson's biggest leak is that he simply doesn't throw enough strikes and he has too much fear of getting hit. Also, he is kind of a joker which is fun and might confuse his opponent sometimes; but why flail your arms around in weird fashion instead of simply throwing a punch? Waste of energy imo. Also, eating shots to make a point, wtf? Standing tall against the cage doing practically nothing but freaking Bisping out lmao. Silva definitely has fun in there though..

I do think Silva did more damage overall, but Bisping took that cheap shot and recovered in strong fashion, constantly bringing the fight. Silva crumpled early twice iirc, then later on Bisping crumpled twice much harder. Volume of strikes matters much in scoring MMA. I think it was a good fight.

On February 28 2016 10:18 ERASA wrote: LOL! They are saying that they are right by giving me a link to the ufc page which says there was 0:01 left in round 5... http://uk.ufc.com/event/ufc-fight-night-london-2016

Obviously they are angleshooting you. It says decision on that page. Take your business elsewhere imo

Edit: I just googled this and think this might be it, point handicap lines:

if you are betting on a favorite, e.g., che mills -3.5, your bet will win if he either (a) wins ITD or (b) if he wins a decision by at least 4 more rounds than his opponent when you combine all the judges scorecards. 30-27 on all 3 scorecards would be a winner since he won by 9 total rounds. 30-27, 29-28, 29-28 would also be a winner. but 29-28 x 3 would be a loser since he only won by 3 total rounds. if you are betting on the underdog, e.g., matt riddle +3.5, your bet will win if he either (a) wins ITD, (b) wins a decision, or (c) if he loses a decision by less than 4 total rounds. if he loses 29-28 on all 3 scorecards, the bet is a winner.

I wrote them exactly that it says decision and you have the judes scores on there, no response yet

LOL at Bisping dominating 90 percent of the fight.

I agree though that Anderson deserved to lose the fight, by his retarded actions in the 4th round.
First 2 rounds were Bisping rounds. First one was close, but the 2nd one was a big one as he almost finished Silva. He was able to apply good pressure on Anderson and not giving him a lot of opportunities to counter. Anderson loss of speed in his reactions was evident, imo, as there were many shots that he was throwing and missing just by small margin and when he got frustrated in the end of the 2nd and started exchanging He got clocked hard.

3rd round Bisping was KO'd. I don't care if this was a cheap shot /it was not/, it is Bisping job to protect himself at all times. He did not and got KO'd. His eyes rolled and he went limp on the ground. Herb Dean really is an overrated ref. He completely lost control of that situation.

4th round was bizzare. The only logical explanation to me is that Silva had some massive adrenaline dump after thinking he had won the fight. I see no other reason to act like Muhammad Ali for the whole round and staying on the fence. Bisping was out on his feet and every time Silva moved forward he was tuning him up.

In the 5th again he could of pressed for the finish, but after beating the crap out of him he backed out and started dancing around. I think his corner has lead him to believe that he was winning on points.

It was a great fight and Bisping showed a lot of heart. Anderson is still game for some fun fights.

Just for the record, they changed the result and i got my money.

Main event delivered. Silva was very fun to watch. I feel like he didn't go for the KO cause he thought he was winning and played it smart. Very flamboyant style of Silva is fun to watch. Flying knee was legal imo.

The flying knee was legal, bisping got knocked down but not out, and the round ended

I don't think Silva won the fight, I don't think he wanted to win the fight. I dont think he gives a fuck anymore, he just shows up because they pay him.

Judging that fight on scorecards is like judging a circus on scorecards, you can do it, it wil be funny.

He could have easily knocked him out both 4th and 5th round, he just didnt want to.
He looks down on having to fight in a cage, but looks up to himself as an entertainer.

On February 28 2016 04:37 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2016 03:45 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On February 28 2016 02:18 Baalim wrote: fucking round by round scoring... it works in 12 rounds fights like boxing, not in 3-5 round fights at all. typical Silva... ffs... he is potentially the best fighter ever but also the worst mind ever, like a Urajah Hall You realize Bisping dominated like 90% of that fight right? And if not for Bisping getting distracted by the mouth piece Silva probably gets completely shut out. He had nothing for Bisping until that knee, and then he was fighting a guy who just got knocked out. And still managed to lose the 4th round. I just watched the fight twice and no Bisping didnt dominated 90% of the time what are you talking about? the only time he looked remotely threatening was at the end of the 2nd round that was less than 1 minute when he stunned silva, besides that he landed some weak punches and leg kickls here and there and the only reason he was connecting was because Silva for no fucking reason keep walking back to the cage staying there eating weak punches and losing rounds. If this is the face of somebody who dominates 90% of a fight, we have very different definitions of domination BTW Im not saying Silva won he lost 1-2 and arguably 4th

holy shit. ok, i wanna watch it now.

Silva doesnt clown around to entertain, he tries to get in their minds but it doesnt work at this level when people are aware that what he wants you is to go aggro at him.

He has always done it but at a lesser degree, he has always been a counter puncher, but he knew how to pull la punch, now he just sticks his jaw in the air hoping they clumsily swing wide at him and when they dont he doesnt know what to do, back in the day if his opponents didnt open up and went into cocoon mode he mauled them like he did with John Fitch, on this fight Bisping was in cocoon mode a couple of times and Silva looked like was going to pounce but he didnt.

I honestly dont know whats going on with him, its some kind of fear that has always been with him and sometimes beats him, he doesnt need any more training, he needs a psychologist.

i just watched this fight for the first time on replay

I had Bisping clearly winning rounds 1 & 2 but thought Anderson also clearly won round 3, 4 and 5. Am I missing something on the way these fights are judged?

The mouthpiece situation in round 3 was really weird. How is a fighter and judge suppose to handle that situation properly?

just watched it. silva won.

On March 02 2016 11:38 TimDawg wrote: i just watched this fight for the first time on replay I had Bisping clearly winning rounds 1 & 2 but thought Anderson also clearly won round 3, 4 and 5. Am I missing something on the way these fights are judged? The mouthpiece situation in round 3 was really weird. How is a fighter and judge suppose to handle that situation properly?

I just rewatched Round 4.

Round 4 was clearly Bisping's. Anderson barely threw anything, and he gave up octagon control for 4+ minutes of the round by staying pressed up against the cage and letting Bisping dictate the round. Anderson tried to steal Round 4 at the last 37 seconds, but he only landed 3 strikes.

Here's the striking stats round-by-round: http://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-fight-night-london-2016
Pay attention to the significant strikes, not total strikes attempted.

Most people who think Anderson won tend to give him Round 1 of thst fight. From what I've seen, the consensus is that Anderson took his foot off the gas in Round 4 when he had Bisping hurt moments b4 with the knee. This is seen by Anderson standing against the cage during the majority of Round 4 like I previously mentioned.

On March 02 2016 11:38 TimDawg wrote: i just watched this fight for the first time on replay I had Bisping clearly winning rounds 1 & 2 but thought Anderson also clearly won round 3, 4 and 5. Am I missing something on the way these fights are judged? The mouthpiece situation in round 3 was really weird. How is a fighter and judge suppose to handle that situation properly?

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/2/29/...t-stop-the-fight-after-anderson-silva

"That’s the way the mechanic works, is that you replace the mouthpiece during a lull in the action," Dean said during an appearance on Monday’s edition The MMA Hour. "And [Bisping] signaled once, and Anderson was actually in the process of attacking him. For a lot of reasons that are pretty evident you can’t stop to replace the mouthpiece during a heated exchange, and that qualified as a heated exchange.

"If we were doing that, we’d have guys getting their bell rung, spitting out the mouthpiece to get a little extra time or sometimes you’re feeling a little tired, just spit your mouthpiece out. So obviously we can’t do that in the middle of an exchange."


I think Herb Dean handled it the only way you could. In that he didn't call time to put in the mouthpiece for Bisping because there were moving parts in the action at the time. And then mostly calmly telling people that the fight is still on when Anderson did his dumb premature celebration. Have to watch it again sometime but in the moment, really felt like Anderson didn't really move in fast towards Bisping until he saw that Bisping was clearly distracted with the mouthpiece/ref. And that's absolutely his right...but grey area douchebaggery in my opinion. Made extra stupid by the fact that that was by far the most aggro Anderson (possibly the only time he really was) got in the entire fight. Oh and how to handle a lost mouthpiece if you're the one who lost it? Definitely don't do what Bisping did. If you really want your mouthpiece back asap, should at least try to run to the side and get the ref's attention so that there's not much action from your opponent. Or clinch...hug...whatever you have to do. Not stand in front of your opponent and repeatedly gesture to the ref while being stationary

On March 02 2016 15:54 iakim322 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2016 11:38 TimDawg wrote: i just watched this fight for the first time on replay I had Bisping clearly winning rounds 1 & 2 but thought Anderson also clearly won round 3, 4 and 5. Am I missing something on the way these fights are judged? The mouthpiece situation in round 3 was really weird. How is a fighter and judge suppose to handle that situation properly? http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/2/29/...t-stop-the-fight-after-anderson-silva "That’s the way the mechanic works, is that you replace the mouthpiece during a lull in the action," Dean said during an appearance on Monday’s edition The MMA Hour. "And [Bisping] signaled once, and Anderson was actually in the process of attacking him. For a lot of reasons that are pretty evident you can’t stop to replace the mouthpiece during a heated exchange, and that qualified as a heated exchange. "If we were doing that, we’d have guys getting their bell rung, spitting out the mouthpiece to get a little extra time or sometimes you’re feeling a little tired, just spit your mouthpiece out. So obviously we can’t do that in the middle of an exchange." I think Herb Dean handled it the only way you could. In that he didn't call time to put in the mouthpiece for Bisping because there were moving parts in the action at the time. And then mostly calmly telling people that the fight is still on when Anderson did his dumb premature celebration. Have to watch it again sometime but in the moment, really felt like Anderson didn't really move in fast towards Bisping until he saw that Bisping was clearly distracted with the mouthpiece/ref. And that's absolutely his right...but grey area douchebaggery in my opinion. Made extra stupid by the fact that that was by far the most aggro Anderson (possibly the only time he really was) got in the entire fight. Oh and how to handle a lost mouthpiece if you're the one who lost it? Definitely don't do what Bisping did. If you really want your mouthpiece back asap, should at least try to run to the side and get the ref's attention so that there's not much action from your opponent. Or clinch...hug...whatever you have to do. Not stand in front of your opponent and repeatedly gesture to the ref while being stationary

ok, thanks for that response

I really didn't even know what the standard procedure was. Seems like a tough thing to do in the ref's spot. I agree with what you said. If those are the rules Herb did nothing wrong. Bisping has to just assume he's still at risk of a big shot if he lets his guard down

It has to be that way, historically there has been people trying to cheat by spitting their mouthpiece very often in boxing

Silva gets in this weird headspace like with what he did to Maia, the only difference is Maia can't box for shit and Silva is not the champ and the guy who beat him twice just got smashed recently. That only works when he is the champ and he seems to be an oversight on his part.