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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 07 2016 01:01. Posts 34246


  On January 06 2016 12:20 austrian oak wrote:
Un knows if he is a bad boy there will be no more lobster and napoleon era cognac for him. He will just stick to the easy things like userping his own poor people.



that is the case with Iran, Pakistan, India etc, I dont think it applies with North Korea, they are so absolutely delusional it wouldnt be surprising they actually think they have a chance in a war

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dogmeat   Czech Republic. Jan 07 2016 01:57. Posts 6374

north korea has bigger chance beating south korea than you beating online poker
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 07 2016 02:01. Posts 9634

Not sure who s more ignorant, the north koreans or the people that believe the articles about North Korea they send rockets to the sun and such ( and believe in them i mean that the people there believe that )
The info we get about them is just as trustworthy as the info they get about the rest of the world


Baal that post was just ... Even if they are that delusional .. and thats quite an ignorant statement - do you think such a country exists without anyone's support? The support of someone that matters that is ? Do you know how geopolitical influences are ran with proxies ?

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fira   United States. Jan 07 2016 03:38. Posts 6345

lol tempbant


Baalim   Mexico. Jan 07 2016 03:58. Posts 34246


  On January 07 2016 01:01 Spitfiree wrote:
Not sure who s more ignorant, the north koreans or the people that believe the articles about North Korea they send rockets to the sun and such ( and believe in them i mean that the people there believe that )
The info we get about them is just as trustworthy as the info they get about the rest of the world


Baal that post was just ... Even if they are that delusional .. and thats quite an ignorant statement - do you think such a country exists without anyone's support? The support of someone that matters that is ? Do you know how geopolitical influences are ran with proxies ?



At what point did I state that North Korea didnt have anyones support? what do proxies have to do with what I said at all?

Kim Jong-Un was born was born as part of a divine family, to consider him a rational man who is perfectly aware of his military and geopolitical position is very naive, I think you greatly underestimate the potential extent of the damage done by his upbringing.

North Korea has proved more than once that it is not Chinas lap dog, and if push comes to shove Chinas opinion is irrelevant and the decision will fall into a disturbed 32yo man.

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Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 07 2016 05:34. Posts 2224

i look forward to the day someone assassinates that fucker

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whamm!   Albania. Jan 07 2016 05:39. Posts 11625

I've experienced living under a dictatorship so I know that a silent majority would love it if their leader was murdered. Something people just don't talk about out in the open.


austrian oak   Belgium. Jan 07 2016 08:33. Posts 520

Arent there any underground movements that plot those kind of things in NK? Or are they so on lockdown with social control that they do not stand a chance?

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 07 2016 15:26. Posts 13030

First glimpse into North Korea's nuclear bomb site:

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 07 2016 15:48. Posts 9634


  On January 07 2016 07:33 austrian oak wrote:
Arent there any underground movements that plot those kind of things in NK? Or are they so on lockdown with social control that they do not stand a chance?


Even if there are, and I highly doubt it, they will be super weak. As far as i understand the situation is like in Orwell's 1984 - except not so advanced technology-wise. There is a total control over the population in every aspect of their lives.

Baal what i meant was, the second they try to do something of a big magnitude without China's approval - they ll have democracy brought to them. Plus I'm sure Japan/China/Russia/USA could instantly deal with any rocket NK has before it reaches anything. Just because they have a nuke doesn't mean they have a good enough technology to put it to use. It's kind of a bad timing though, since thats the only region in the world thats still not under USA's control and it was expected that there would be disputes there. Will be interesting from a political point of view how China deals with that

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 07 2016 21:04. Posts 34246

Obviously they would be instantly defeated and a new government would be put in place and they dont have the tecnology to target anything far, but they sure can put a missile in South Korea..

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 07 2016 21:05. Posts 34246


  On January 07 2016 07:33 austrian oak wrote:
Arent there any underground movements that plot those kind of things in NK? Or are they so on lockdown with social control that they do not stand a chance?



I always wondered the same thing, in places like Cuba where millions hated him why nobody put a bullet in his head, but I guess it is very rare to find someone willing to sacrifice everything and organize everything by himself, most of these kind of assassinations are orchestrated by some kind of group and not lone wolfs

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 07 2016 23:02. Posts 9634

Historically speaking we can easily name dozens of brutal dictators running even worse regimes, especially when it comes to Asia, Eastern Europe and South America where not a single one got assassinated. Ironically the assassinations begin once the regimes are down and new political powers come to the scene. Actually if anyone has any good read on that subject i'd be interested, seem really ironical :/

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YoMeR   United States. Jan 08 2016 12:05. Posts 12435


  On January 07 2016 14:26 PuertoRican wrote:
First glimpse into North Korea's nuclear bomb site:

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lol how is this not getting more love

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austrian oak   Belgium. Jan 08 2016 14:34. Posts 520


  On January 07 2016 20:05 Baalim wrote:
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I always wondered the same thing, in places like Cuba where millions hated him why nobody put a bullet in his head, but I guess it is very rare to find someone willing to sacrifice everything and organize everything by himself, most of these kind of assassinations are orchestrated by some kind of group and not lone wolfs


Maybe Dennis Rodman is infiltrating

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Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 12 2016 02:32. Posts 2224

Baal is talking about the fat leader's upbringing, but it seems like a moot subject, like what kind of upbringing would you expect given who his father was?

what seems quite dangerous to me is we're in a time when the generation that was alive before the period these 2 countries were at war is disappearing.

metaphysics ofc is bullshit, but can you just imagine the fabric (I can't think of a better word) between people unlucky enough to be stuck in a situation like this? like imagine the discomfort if you were stuck at some kind of progressive sensitivity lecture and turned and made eye contact with someone else, multiplied by about ten thousand and with the caveat that you can get shot at any moment

I bring up Cambodia a lot but it really is fascinating to me that that country was able to recover. it's not the most perfect country on Earth, they have human trafficking problems and so on. Cambodia lost 25% of its population, but remember. now, they were occupied by Vietnam, and in all likelihood the DPRK will have to be occupied or still sectioned off at first, because... I mean, just because? the country is so different and will need so much work that the reunification process, you can't just snap your fingers, it's not like East Germany.

you don't need a "movement" to overthrow the system, in my opinion. what you have to understand is both sides of the 38th parallel were authoritarian until quite recently - this is partly from influences of imperial japanese rule combined with being budding countries. what i'm saying is the culture is balanced a little differently. ever watch a fight from korea's parliament? park geun-hye's father was assassinated less than 40 years ago. they do things a bit differently, as you'd expect, and we have to keep that in mind. this isn't a racist statement, i'm just saying up until very recently politics has been quite Roman on both sides. we forget this because most of us live in safety, but there very recently have been, and still are around the world, countries where shooting people is par for the political course. latin america, africa. asia. there IS a political landscape in the DPRK, it's just that we aren't privy to it. but it exists, which is why hundreds of thousands of people are in camps and there are political purges and people

what's more likely to happen. rather than a movement/national revolution, is a conspiracy or coup. unfortunately we're in a downswing right now because the fat leader fucking executed huge numbers of the old guard, people from his dad's regime.

there are examples of "communist" governments that at least kept their people fed. cuba and vietnam settled down, for example. the bright future of the DPRK will start with a military coup. it IS a country where you can get disappeared for picking up a leaflet or having any kind of information that isn't state-approved, but I can guarantee, or rather I would wager, and not just from foolish optimism, that the powder keg is growing. the more connected and globalized the rest of the world becomes, the more liberal, the longer it continues, that much more information about reality seeps into the country, including from DPRK people who live and work abroad and people, especially Asians, who work or do business there. it's not impossible to imagine the DPRK opening up like this on the long road to reunification, and it seems more likely if the dear leader's heart would stop. he's like 130kg, i'm being a little bit optimistic but i really believe he'll probably just die or get shot eventually

i am making an assumption here that the fat leader won't start the process of fixing his country by himself. just if you look at his history so far, cut all ties from his father's regime, which is when the sunshine period happened, plus the psychological profiling.

hopefully the fat asshole dies of an embolism and saves us the trouble. I want to make this totally clear. the Kim dynasty is fucked anyway, there is nobody else left to rule. his baby is a daughter iirc, his older brother couldn't be a leader, nor his uncle, i think his uncle is still alive. even if he had a baby boy right now, in the 25-30 years it would take for that kid to grow up, do we really think nothing would happen? mr. kim wouldn't have a heart attack or get a lead capsule in his stomach? it's over, we're living in the time of the last of this dynasty.

there is no country on Earth quite like the DPRK, I don't know that there ever has been. it's like Stalinism on an island. ISIS is brutal, but fleeting. let me elaborate that. on the one hand it seems comparable if you look at the crimes against humanity. what i'm saying is ISIS leans more towards chaos (also because it's trying to survive in a warzone - of its own creation) whereas the DPRK leans more towards an orderly totalitarianism, which is the most terrifying. DPRK is more like Baathist Iraq. ISIS is nihilistic, but this is total fascism. perhaps it's not a real distinction, maybe all I'm pointing out here is that ISIS is "new" and probably won't last. the DPRK and the Baathist regime, these have staying power.

why the nuclear weapons specifically are a problem is because they DO dampen how much people from outside the country can try to sort of guide the country along. it also makes this conversation a real, although unlikely, long-term problem:
Kim: hi ms. park
Park: yes fat asshole?
Kim: i'm president of ur country now
Park: lol no
Kim: yes, i'm president, or else.

tl;dr within 30 years, the mausoleum of Kim-Il-Sung will only be famous for being the largest holocaust museum on the planet.

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Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 13 2016 21:25. Posts 2224

I would like to add that although I don't find KJU very surprising as a leader, I think historically it has been a mistake to take for granted that dictators are ultimately rational when it comes to even their own interests

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 14 2016 00:42. Posts 34246

why is it a moot subject? that was the point, he was brought up in a family considered nearly gods, KJU is not your average dictator.

A guy like Castro or Chavez were aware of their surroundings, they spat on the west face as a political position to gain support and also because of their own ideologies, but they were very aware of their military power, they were idealists deluded by power with a fair share of cynicism, on the other hand KJU isnt like that, its very likely he isnt really aware of his countries military power and political position, and its very likely he is deluded himself and that makes him more dangerous because his sense of self-preservation is skewed

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 14 2016 16:35. Posts 9634

Guy basically didn't live in North Korea before he turned 18 , doubt he s deluded


Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 14 2016 20:44. Posts 2224

I'm saying he's pretty much par for the course in his country. KJU is not surprising at all given the context

I think you're overestimating dictators also, Castro basically didn't care if Cuba got blown up during the missile crisis, Saddam was psycho

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