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YoMeR   United States. Dec 22 2015 01:14. Posts 12360

Villain in hand is a "live pro" quite spewy def more on the agressive side. prob flatting raises with top ~25-50% of hands depending on his tilt level. I'd say his tilt level is med for this hand.

A fair and quick description of our dynamic is i'm to his left. He's attempting to run me over and other players in general. By this point in session prob have 3 bet him ~6 times or so and 5bet jam over his 4 bet 2x so far in the past 3-4 hours. Now on to the hand.

EP: $950 ~

MP: $1500~

co (villain): $6000~

button (hero): $2500~

Ep opens to $35

MP flats and co flats.

I 3bet button with Ax Kc to $145 folds to CO who 4 bets (lol) to $400. I flat <--comments here appreciated.

flop Qc 3x 5c

Villain bets $375 Hero flats. Hero notes massive change in villain's demeanor.

turn 8c.

Villain checks. Hero...?

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Big_Rob_isback   United States. Dec 22 2015 03:58. Posts 169

I am assuming that getting it in preflop would be fine with you considering the preflop betting and your history? I would maybe 5 bet to $800 and take it down right there, or hope he shoves and snap call.

As for postflop I really prefer being nitty and just calling these guys with hands than trying to bluff them... so I would just check turn and give up on river : /

just playing live poker for funLast edit: 22/12/2015 04:00

FrinkX   United States. Dec 26 2015 20:31. Posts 7362

seems like the best spot ever to 5b pre

given everything u said i think its a biggggg whoopsie that you didnt

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gawdawaful   Canada. Dec 26 2015 20:49. Posts 8799

yeah yomer, my thought is the same as frinkx and big rob. Find some way to make him spaz

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traxamillion   United States. Dec 27 2015 10:06. Posts 10303

is he actually really tilted? Live pros can be pretty nitty you may not want to get in 250bb pre with AK vs many so I don't mind the call pre necessarily; I think I am ok with check turn soulread river unless you think you can bomb him off of AQ


Big_Rob_isback   United States. Dec 27 2015 15:56. Posts 169

The description of the player that Yomer gives makes me think trying to get him off AQ is insanity, and that villain may even think hard about letting go of JJ

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JohnnyBologna   United States. Dec 27 2015 16:45. Posts 1393

I dunno. The smooth call and then raising smells fishy to me although i have seen people spazz at me at this spot with 66 before becuz they thought i was out of line. Its hard to put him on a super strong hand here since he smooths two other people. I would put his range at 10's and jacks and AJ-AQ. This is prbably top of his range, Unless he saw you reaching for raising chips before he acted lol.

He seems more active than most players but i think he just wanted to know where he was sort of deal. So yeah 5xbet would probably be best.

The only hand that can shove over us would probably be the AQ with ace of clubs. I think its hard but a 500 dollar bet might have some fold equity, this all depends if he has a club. If he calls turn i just give up on blank rivers.

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YoMeR   United States. Dec 27 2015 23:05. Posts 12360

yea my initial thought right after the hand was maybe I should have 5 bet pre. But one thing to note is we are in position which makes calling a bit stronger on our decision tree. And live pros don't like to cram 250bb with weak holdings. My general reaction to weird shit like this is to click call as well.

YoMeR: crams last ~$1400 for about psb.

thoughts?

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nolan   Ireland. Dec 28 2015 05:12. Posts 6203

im 5 betting pre 100% of the time, as played on turn its really fucked because you have to either bet or give up imo given pot/stack ratios.

if he really thinks youve been fucking with him i lean toward giving up cause i think hell look you up light.

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asdf2000   United States. Dec 28 2015 07:49. Posts 7466

I would have come over him again preflop based on what you've said.

As played, looks like an easy check from position. I hate hate hate a bet to be honest. Looks like he's just playing his hand "safely" and he is unlikely to fold.

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TimDawg    United States. Dec 28 2015 09:08. Posts 10158

Always always 5bet pre vs described villain.

I'm in the check back turn/give up boat. Don't think this guy is going to fold anything reasonable to you.

online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball 

JohnnyBologna   United States. Jan 20 2016 03:08. Posts 1393

uhh results?

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YoMeR   United States. Jan 24 2016 23:19. Posts 12360

Lol forgot i posted this thread.

Villain thought for about 20 seconds and mucked.

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fira   United States. Jan 28 2016 04:16. Posts 6199

i think u played it well... 5bet pre is an option but i do like flatting here with position and such deep stacks. however u described him in a way where a 5bet can't really be that bad, given how aggressive he is pre.

flop obv very standard. curious what you mean when you noticed a massive change in demeanor... and what it could mean. did his demeanor change when the flop came out or when you called his bet? also is there any way you could describe this change with some detail?

on turn... im not sure how i would play a more or less common holding like KQs in a balanced way... obv either jam or check back, but its like such a dangerous board to check back without a club. sets/2p want to be jamming so we need sort of a bluffing range. do we want to be checking back flushes here ever? or even, do we want to check back ever?? i r not sure!!

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YoMeR   United States. Feb 01 2016 02:04. Posts 12360

I think the turn is the most interesting street because we can play around with ranges quite a bit here. At the moment I was thinking I'm jamming very wide on the turn. So I'd prob be including hands like KQ to be easy value jams as I'll have a pretty wide semi bluffing range on the turn ie: AxTc type hands etc

One thing to note that other ppl might not agree with is I tend to like getting post flop vs live baddies more than doing preflop shit. I feel my edge is far superior postflop and push much larger edges there than preflop stuffs.

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traxamillion   United States. Feb 02 2016 17:32. Posts 10303

Feel like straight jamming turn takes flushes out of ur range, and the hands that fold to this shove also fold to 1/3rd turn shove river and you make more money.

This turn jam is more appropriate on say Q835hhss with AKHH or w/e


JohnnyBologna   United States. Feb 05 2016 21:12. Posts 1393


  On January 28 2016 03:16 fira wrote:
i think u played it well... 5bet pre is an option but i do like flatting here with position and such deep stacks. however u described him in a way where a 5bet can't really be that bad, given how aggressive he is pre.

flop obv very standard. curious what you mean when you noticed a massive change in demeanor... and what it could mean. did his demeanor change when the flop came out or when you called his bet? also is there any way you could describe this change with some detail?

on turn... im not sure how i would play a more or less common holding like KQs in a balanced way... obv either jam or check back, but its like such a dangerous board to check back without a club. sets/2p want to be jamming so we need sort of a bluffing range. do we want to be checking back flushes here ever? or even, do we want to check back ever?? i r not sure!!



yes. check back with the nut flush. other then that no. we take every opportunity we can to win a pot.

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YoMeR   United States. Feb 06 2016 06:35. Posts 12360


  On February 02 2016 16:32 traxamillion wrote:
Feel like straight jamming turn takes flushes out of ur range, and the hands that fold to this shove also fold to 1/3rd turn shove river and you make more money.

This turn jam is more appropriate on say Q835hhss with AKHH or w/e



how does ramming turn for ~4/5th psb take flushes out of our range? does not compute

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traxamillion   United States. Feb 07 2016 09:49. Posts 10303

Playing too much PLO u are right and I thought less went in pre and the turn jam was overbet


NewbSaibot   United States. Feb 17 2016 19:51. Posts 4780

Hmm, recently had CO 4bet my BTN raise and cbet flop with 88.

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - ZalforLast edit: 19/02/2016 21:14

 





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