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Rinny   United States. Nov 22 2015 19:53. Posts 600

I always end up doing it like 5-6 times in a row until i'm lying there cracked out feelsbadman


cariadon   Estonia. Nov 22 2015 21:02. Posts 4019

how is eating vegan an improvement? its just the opposite, not optimal.
if you want to make the biggest difference then going to the other extreme opposite accomplishes that, if you strive to eat healthy then balance your diet.. wut


Rinny   United States. Nov 22 2015 21:05. Posts 600

I'm hitting all my micros + macros and I feel a lot better. What's your optimal diet?


ClouD87   Italy. Nov 22 2015 23:25. Posts 524

As far as I know in the past 10 years the research on nutrition found that a diet with more than 15% protein intake is greatly harmful to the well being of people and helps cancer develop (meat not as much as milk products which are the greatest cause of cancer when it comes to nutrition - that's because an incredibly strong correlation has been found between proteine casein present in every milk product and cancer). Also to great surprise it seems that more than 15% protein intake also helps a lot gaining fat and is a common denominator of many people gaining weight in all races (the biggest recent research has been done in USA over a sample of 300.000 hospital employees). Of course this doesn't mean that sugar and caloric intake doesn't play a big role in becoming fat but proteins do aswell and that's something we didn't know until recently. Too many proteins are also hard to digest, raise the acidness of pH and overly stress liver and brain. It's also hard to come by decent animal protein sources because most of the meat comes from grain fed (which is terrible - the source of meat should be grass fed, but hey feeding them grains is cheaper), overly stressed animals living in cages and tortured their whole lives, so meat is bad by itself and what most people eat everyday is even worse.
So I dunno what it means vegan being not optimal, humans are direct descendants to monkeys who are herbivores and inherited monkeys metabolism. If you pull a vegan diet off right you get all your nutrients and you are healthier than you would be with a different diet.

 Last edit: 22/11/2015 23:49

Rinny   United States. Nov 22 2015 23:53. Posts 600

yeah plus the best poker player in the world, DNegs is a vegan



hehe


EzPzLmnSqz   United States. Nov 23 2015 03:07. Posts 549

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_K0S2GbXYI9Fc77d6oRE7w

helpful vegan vlogs and tips, Basically eat tons of high calorie fruits like Bananas


Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 23 2015 03:19. Posts 2225


  On November 22 2015 22:25 ClouD87 wrote:
As far as I know in the past 10 years the research on nutrition found that a diet with more than 15% protein intake is greatly harmful to the well being of people and helps cancer develop (meat not as much as milk products which are the greatest cause of cancer when it comes to nutrition - that's because an incredibly strong correlation has been found between proteine casein present in every milk product and cancer). Also to great surprise it seems that more than 15% protein intake also helps a lot gaining fat and is a common denominator of many people gaining weight in all races (the biggest recent research has been done in USA over a sample of 300.000 hospital employees). Of course this doesn't mean that sugar and caloric intake doesn't play a big role in becoming fat but proteins do aswell and that's something we didn't know until recently. Too many proteins are also hard to digest, raise the acidness of pH and overly stress liver and brain. It's also hard to come by decent animal protein sources because most of the meat comes from grain fed (which is terrible - the source of meat should be grass fed, but hey feeding them grains is cheaper), overly stressed animals living in cages and tortured their whole lives, so meat is bad by itself and what most people eat everyday is even worse.
So I dunno what it means vegan being not optimal, humans are direct descendants to monkeys who are herbivores and inherited monkeys metabolism. If you pull a vegan diet off right you get all your nutrients and you are healthier than you would be with a different diet.


health isn't only about living until you're 90. the nutritive requirements of a human are different than minimizing the chance of getting cancer from food (and if you're making a lifestyle choice because you think food will give you cancer and kill you then you should start with never getting in an automobile instead). if you want to "pull off" an arbitrary vegan diet right and spend a lot of time verifying whether all the food around you is hippie-halal and you can still have energy enough to live and think and be productive and have a libido then go ahead. there are people who switch to veganism and seem healthy. there are also people who switch to veganism and look like shriveled up Chris McCandless impersonators, just not as bright. i suspect that if you raised someone from birth as vegan it would be a form of abuse

it's terrible that everyone is obese. however, these people need to eat less of everything, not just meat.

there's also no ethical reason for pure veganism it's just drawing a retarded line in the sand. why wouldn't you want to eat eggs and drink milk? and honey? literally honey is "not vegan," it's yuppie bullshit. vegetarianism at least has an ethical underpinning which is you believe the things you were eating are sentient enough that you shouldn't kill them. i personally believe that human beings aren't sentient enough that we can afford not to eat meat. if you want to extend this all the way down to shrimp or squid then go ahead but throwing blood on fur coats and knocking the milkshake out of my hand at a drive-thru (you know who you are) it's like get a life

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

ClouD87   Italy. Nov 23 2015 03:36. Posts 524


  On November 23 2015 02:19 Santafairy wrote:
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health isn't only about living until you're 90. the nutritive requirements of a human are different than minimizing the chance of getting cancer from food (and if you're making a lifestyle choice because you think food will give you cancer and kill you then you should start with never getting in an automobile instead). if you want to "pull off" an arbitrary vegan diet right and spend a lot of time verifying whether all the food around you is hippie-halal and you can still have energy enough to live and think and be productive and have a libido then go ahead. there are people who switch to veganism and seem healthy. there are also people who switch to veganism and look like shriveled up Chris McCandless impersonators, just not as bright. i suspect that if you raised someone from birth as vegan it would be a form of abuse

it's terrible that everyone is obese. however, these people need to eat less of everything, not just meat.

there's also no ethical reason for pure veganism it's just drawing a retarded line in the sand. why wouldn't you want to eat eggs and drink milk? and honey? literally honey is "not vegan," it's yuppie bullshit. vegetarianism at least has an ethical underpinning which is you believe the things you were eating are sentient enough that you shouldn't kill them. i personally believe that human beings aren't sentient enough that we can afford not to eat meat. if you want to extend this all the way down to shrimp or squid then go ahead but throwing blood on fur coats and knocking the milkshake out of my hand at a drive-thru (you know who you are) it's like get a life

The point I was making is that we should avoid food we have not evolved to digest for several reasons. Being healthy to me doesn't equal to not getting cancer (even though I would strongly recommend not eating milk products and not have meat more than twice a week since the risk seems a bit too high otherwise) but simply eating with the intent of both enjoying what you eat and maximizing your own potential as a person. I personally went vegan recently because other than wanting to be fit I it makes me perform better at poker, but as for everything you can do your research and do it the right way and eat the food that's actually proven to be good for you and your brain. Most people do it wrong and gourge pizzas, pasta and bread made from 00 flour, drink alcohol, eat too much sugar and don't eat enough calories - nutrients. Those are also vegan food but they can be worse than meat in many aspects.
Regarding honey I think it's a terrible food source because it's mostly fructose, which above certain quantities is poisonous to the body as much as ethanol and stresses the liver too much.
Anyway what I'm saying is that eating can be one of the best satisfactions in life but should be done with a purpose, much like everything else. I am not even touching the moral part of the issue because people can think what they want on that. On the other hand it worries me to think many people don't know what they are eating and the effect it has on their bodies. Once they know and are aware of what they are doing there isn't much point arguing or having a discussion of any sort in my opinion.


Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 23 2015 04:05. Posts 2225

mammals haven't evolved to digest milk?

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

ClouD87   Italy. Nov 23 2015 04:18. Posts 524

Humans have so much trouble digesting cow milk and certainly did not evolve with the need to do so. It has never been something that we had until very recent times. This alone isn't much of a reason though because that also goes for other food we can digest incredibly well. What's bad about milk is that it brings several longterm health problems and lactose intolerance to various degrees is also common to most people.

 Last edit: 23/11/2015 04:20

Smuft   Canada. Nov 23 2015 04:23. Posts 633

OP seems to be doing some nice self development stuff - why derail his thread with an endless nutrition debate that no one can actually win anyways? I'm pretty opinionated on the subject myself but I feel it's the least rewarding subject to discuss.

Start a new thread in general forum w/ well thought out and organized posts including links to studies/arguments, I wouldn't mind jumping into such a discussion as well. This isn't a subject that you can casually spam blocks of text with your opinion and actually get anywhere imo, everyone has their ideas on what is right and won't change easily.

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Q for Rinny:

Whats your long term plan to maintain these lifestyle changes? like it seems easy to quit something for a few weeks or months when you're putting a lot of energy into it but are you worried about "relapsing" or falling back into old patterns when this current burst of willpower goes away?


cariadon   Estonia. Nov 23 2015 09:44. Posts 4019

I agree with santafairy for once. 100% vegan is bs. If you can't come to this realization then there is nothing to discuss. People live to be 100 years old eating bacon for morning, don't pull that "we have not evolved to digest meat". Preaching something that is just flat out wrong is well.. wrong.

What % of your macros are proteins Rinny, how many grams per pound of body weight? What is the source of your goto protein? I might learn something here, always interested in diversifying my diet.

Smuft feel free to start the nutrition thread yourself.


Rinny   United States. Nov 24 2015 00:51. Posts 600


  On November 23 2015 03:23 Smuft wrote:
Q for Rinny:

Whats your long term plan to maintain these lifestyle changes? like it seems easy to quit something for a few weeks or months when you're putting a lot of energy into it but are you worried about "relapsing" or falling back into old patterns when this current burst of willpower goes away?




Yes this is something I've considered because I've followed similar patterns in my life of commiting to self improvement followed by returning to my old habits. There are some differences this time. The first is I've moved away from my core weed use social group so I have less temptation and ability to relapse. Secondly, I now have my RSI injuries which tend to remind me through greater pain if I'm neglecting myself. Next I'd like to think that my primary motivation now is to just be a happier better person and not just to put myself in a better position to acquire more girls, social status, material things w.e. .

It's a really good point, I guess I'll have to study some self improvement stuff and come up with game plan to maximize my chances. But like the other option is just to keep living my life the same way, which I know makes me unhappy, so if I'm not going to try and improve what's the point.


  On November 23 2015 08:44 cariadon wrote:
I agree with santafairy for once. 100% vegan is bs. If you can't come to this realization then there is nothing to discuss. People live to be 100 years old eating bacon for morning, don't pull that "we have not evolved to digest meat". Preaching something that is just flat out wrong is well.. wrong.



Sample size though.


 
What % of your macros are proteins Rinny, how many grams per pound of body weight? What is the source of your goto protein? I might learn something here, always interested in diversifying my diet.

Smuft feel free to start the nutrition thread yourself.



I don't know the exact numbers but I'm defintely getting at least 1 gram per kilo of body weight. My main sources are 1. Beans 2. Nuts 3. Whole Grains (mostly quinoa) 4. Nutritional Yeast 5. Leafy Greens (mostly kale + broccoli) . However I guess that plant based proteins have a lower bioavailabilty http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/protein-bio-availability-explained.htm so you don't actually obsorb all of the protein so I'm going to start supplementing with vegan protein powders. I also take b12, Calcium, and Vitamin D. I'm not sure if veganism is an optimal diet but my major motivation is ethical concerns


cariadon   Estonia. Nov 24 2015 09:51. Posts 4019

Do you do it because you perceive it to be what girls like?


Rinny   United States. Nov 24 2015 16:12. Posts 600

No I don't think that would be a good strategy although the majority of vegans are girls it's still a very small %. And judging by the weekly 'what should I do about my omnivore boyfriend' threads on r/vegan I don't think it's a very high priority lol.


Liquid`Drone   Norway. Nov 24 2015 19:43. Posts 3093

good for you. these seem like logical steps to take for someone with your problems, it doesn't seem too excessive (well I think nofap is retarded, but I don't think I've masturbated more than twice in one day since I was 16 and have 0 of the issues you do, so I can't really relate), hopefully you manage to stay on track. Are you actually intending on quitting all these permanently, or is it like, a 'reset the addiction-timer' kind of thing?

Also while I agree with Smuft that this thread shouldn't be derailed, I'm gonna contribute meaninglessly anyway; my impression (from reading various sources according to how I instinctivly feel about their reliability) is that veganism done correctly is about the healthiest thing possible, veganism done incorrectly is better than omnivore done incorrectly but worse than omnivore correctly (which is also really healthy anyway), and vegetarianism basically depends on how much cheese and butter you swap your meat with.

lol POKER 

Rinny   United States. Nov 25 2015 02:23. Posts 600

I don't know man, I'm not on any sort of timer. I'd love to have an occasional joint without it becoming a _thing_ but that hasn't exactly worked out well in the past. Maybe as I build my self discipline and get older things will change.


devon06atX   Canada. Nov 25 2015 05:57. Posts 5458

Good shit Rinny. Whatever makes you feel better man!

Not jerking it is good for athletes before game time - I used to do the same. Only for the day of and before though. All it does it help keep the 'edge', or wtfever. If you're just a normal person doing it, I think it's fucking retarded, but that's just me.

I also think veganism is stupid as shit, but meh.

Like someone else mentioned earlier, this is your improvement blog. If it feels good, do it

.... that includes jerking it hah


Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 25 2015 07:14. Posts 2225

yeah nobody is saying don't improve yourself

everybody's nutritional needs are different, we do have different genes, but what's right for you may not be pure veganism, which is arbitrary as shit

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

GoTuNk   Chile. Nov 26 2015 16:41. Posts 2860

what kind of retardedness is this?

Humans aren't evolved to eat meat? WUT?
If you are in it for ethical reasons, props to you. If you think it's healthy to not eat meat, you are just dumb.

Great to focus on self improvement.
I would say you should start lifting weights (Squats, deadlift, bench, pull ups, etc).
Strongerr joints and muscle mass that last for life is the best way to have a healthy old age, where you can still do stuff.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140314095102.htm


 
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