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SuperCardUser   United States. Aug 31 2015 08:38. Posts 83

That's a good point. I do keep eye on stack sizes. Especially after watching some anon training videos. Also a lot of fish bet sizing is easy to read. Like super small bets I insta raise and almost always a fold. and I've started just respecting 4bets pre and turn raises so much so if people knew I'd be super exploitable. I just don't think many are getting out of line in those situations. If they are exploiting me they are getting gutted from the tight 3 bettors and tight turn play of others. So I dunno. Very interesting anon games. I'll post results after 30k hands. And I'm a noob who's been experimenting so I'm pretty sure a good player can beat them.


Highcard   Canada. Aug 31 2015 14:31. Posts 5428

-I just remember he wrote out a fish strategy, I am not exactly sure what it was now,
-then he wrote out the maximal exploitative strategy vs the fish strategy
-then he wrote out the maximal exploitative strategy vs the maximal exploitative strategy.

In the end, the fishes crazy play cannot support a +EV spot because all your profits with the max exploit strat are lost to the regular max exploiting you.

I have written it out in a toy game, the math post might have been much more detailed, I do not remember.

I realize you can see fishy stuff like you mentioned, but there are still so many range/frequency deviations it is still very hard to sustain a max EV

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that is why I prefaced I have not come across any basic GTO strategies from the blinds that do not rely on knowing villain frequency, instead just relying on pot odds. There very well may be a gto BB calling range vs 2bb open, I do not know. Or some sort of defend strategy that results in a minimum exploitation outcome.

So if there was a minimum exploitation outcome defend from BB/SB and calling/3betting IP and the same idea from utg/mp/co/btn then you could robot the anon zoom and win until everyone does follows suit.

But again, anon zoom pushes you to reach a break even game faster than any other variation, making it bad for everyone but the poker site.

I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the timeLast edit: 31/08/2015 14:34

X EzPzLmnSqz   United States. Oct 13 2015 05:14. Posts 549

Eh still micros Zoom is raining money =O starting to really get into poker again


HungarianGOD   . Oct 26 2015 16:33. Posts 459


  On August 31 2015 13:31 Highcard wrote:
-I just remember he wrote out a fish strategy, I am not exactly sure what it was now,
-then he wrote out the maximal exploitative strategy vs the fish strategy
-then he wrote out the maximal exploitative strategy vs the maximal exploitative strategy.

In the end, the fishes crazy play cannot support a +EV spot because all your profits with the max exploit strat are lost to the regular max exploiting you.

I have written it out in a toy game, the math post might have been much more detailed, I do not remember.

I realize you can see fishy stuff like you mentioned, but there are still so many range/frequency deviations it is still very hard to sustain a max EV

-------------------
that is why I prefaced I have not come across any basic GTO strategies from the blinds that do not rely on knowing villain frequency, instead just relying on pot odds. There very well may be a gto BB calling range vs 2bb open, I do not know. Or some sort of defend strategy that results in a minimum exploitation outcome.

So if there was a minimum exploitation outcome defend from BB/SB and calling/3betting IP and the same idea from utg/mp/co/btn then you could robot the anon zoom and win until everyone does follows suit.

But again, anon zoom pushes you to reach a break even game faster than any other variation, making it bad for everyone but the poker site.



The thing is even if you cannot 'exploit' the game (exploit being defined by making your own play exploitable in order to get a larger edge over a specific strategy), that doesn't mean that you cannot profit from the game. If so, that would imply that playing optimally cannot be profitable since you are not exploiting your opponents, but that isn't the case. There are simply mistakes your opponents will make because poker is a very complex game, and you don't have to adjust from perfect play to exploit them to capitalize on that. So rather than finding the exploitable strategy that maximally exploits the table as a whole overall, just work on playing better and win from both players without exploiting either one.


 
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