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SuperCardUser   United States. Jun 19 2015 09:54. Posts 83

Thanks for the comments. I ended up folding. Then he ended up showing T9 for top pair with a gut shot. What I thought after the hand is that he donked out, and like one of you said. they usually check raise their good hands and donk to see where they are at. So maybe that action should lead me to a call. Tough spot.


traxamillion   United States. Jun 19 2015 18:46. Posts 10468


  On June 18 2015 23:14 Daut wrote:
flop is closer to a fold than the turn is to a call. get out asap. adjustment should be to raise larger pre, everyone is calling as is



yea, red chip game right? 1/3 and 2/3 usually plays bigger than it should because of this. Throw out at least a dub pre, probably 25 though and more if you think you can get away with it


traxamillion   United States. Jun 19 2015 18:50. Posts 10468

sick accidental bluff from villain. Can't just fold flop imo unless u know the guy or something.

 Last edit: 19/06/2015 18:53

SuperCardUser   United States. Jun 19 2015 21:58. Posts 83

Yeah, the accidental bluff. I see that a lot at these games. Like they don't know when they are valuebetting or bluffing. We have this one idiot. There is like 30 in the pot and dude bets 20 and he shoves all in for 300. Dude folds and he shows T8 on T67 board. Then he tells this girl next to him "I was playing the player" then says to me "I knew he couldn't call" and I'm like yeah, unless he had you beat.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jun 20 2015 01:23. Posts 9634

cmon white house bring these people back online :/


Rinny   United States. Jun 20 2015 15:21. Posts 600

f accidental bluffs one hand that haunts me from 1/2 live. I raise 5bb from mp with AJo and get 2 callers. flop is J68cc i bet 10bb villian 1 shoves for 50bb. I fold and he shows TT. beat myself up about that one for a while, the guy had been at my table for 3 hours so I should have had some reads


K40Cheddar   United States. Jun 20 2015 15:22. Posts 2202

16 pre at 2/3 with 2 limpers already in seems way too low

GG 

traxamillion   United States. Jun 20 2015 19:41. Posts 10468


  On June 20 2015 14:21 Rinny wrote:
f accidental bluffs one hand that haunts me from 1/2 live. I raise 5bb from mp with AJo and get 2 callers. flop is J68cc i bet 10bb villian 1 shoves for 50bb. I fold and he shows TT. beat myself up about that one for a while, the guy had been at my table for 3 hours so I should have had some reads



That hand is a snapcall rinny! He's actually not even representing only better hands, AJ is not a bluffcatcher there.


SuperCardUser   United States. Jun 20 2015 21:17. Posts 83

Yeah Cheddar I'm going to up my PFR amounts with limpers in.


Rinny   United States. Jun 21 2015 04:23. Posts 600

i know im such a fucking nit i hate it.. I left out the worse part too... he was a middle aged asian male >_< . I only played 4nl - 10nl online and ive only logged like ~200 hours live so part of it is scared money which i think ill adjust to but part of it is I suck. better to be realize your shitty then be delusional i guess though lol


DooMeR   United States. Jun 21 2015 14:40. Posts 8544

Ok so we started with 300? and pot is like 64 or something on the flop. he leads 35 one person flats and we called. Once i call here (which im not really folding vs almost anyone live) this is actually a great turn card. Id just ship it in we only have 251$ in our stack left. he has a lot of TJ AT spazzes. he plays enough of them like this to make it a shove imo. Id say vs 50% of people its pretty straight forward stackoff, vs 25% its close and maybe 25% at most its a fold. If you dont have any significant reads by this ponit id be willing to get it in. Id say most likely if we're beat its gonna be 2pair most of the time which we have 16% equity against or so. given potsize etc id be ok with stacking here. I mean really if we aren't calling off here Id be thinking our flop play very suspect. Unless we thought he was the type that nearly ALWAYS takes a potcontrol or giveup line on the turn when we're good and will only bet when we are losing. Then i could see some merit for calling flop and folding this turn. realistically though it seems we have no read so...

also by this turn we have to be winning about 33%+ of the time to breakeven I cant see a way we dont have 33%+ equity in this hand at this point given stacksizes and everything.

I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance, by running away from the scene of an accident.Last edit: 21/06/2015 14:43

DooMeR   United States. Jun 21 2015 14:42. Posts 8544

assuming I read all the stacksizes and betsizes correctly. he just lead out half pot on flop and then 65~% pot on turn and pot to stack ratio now is 1:1. I dont see how we're folding now.

I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance, by running away from the scene of an accident. 

Daut    United States. Jun 21 2015 18:27. Posts 8955

guy led into 3 others on the flop on a very coordinated board, everyone called and he led again on the turn. not sure why we should expect him to be spazzing a high frequency. plus there is another guy left to act behind us who may have slowplayed for whatever reason or gotten there with some random dogshit like 47s. this is an easy fold and should not be a common situation because your raises should be large enough that the field thins more

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 21/06/2015 18:36

traxamillion   United States. Jun 21 2015 18:37. Posts 10468

Just saying doomer; if you took that line vs me (I'm villain in this hand ur hero) you would be losing money


traxamillion   United States. Jun 21 2015 18:53. Posts 10468

And I think bet flop give up turn (not necessarily fold but start checking) is actually a pretty common line from this player pool with his value hands near but worse than us and even draws like j9 and shit.

 Last edit: 22/06/2015 00:18

SuperCardUser   United States. Jun 21 2015 20:03. Posts 83

Yeah Doomer, he lead into 3 other players on flop, and on turn I still have 1 person behind me to act. And the preflop raise size is werid. Sometimes 16 will thin it down, and sometimes 25 won't. But atleast with the bigger sizes you are bloating the pot with better hands. Funny thing is you could totally raise to a size based on your hand strength and the players wouldn't notice.


DooMeR   United States. Jun 22 2015 04:20. Posts 8544

Ugh I thought it was 3way on the turn. I didn't realize button called too. To be fair I actually dont think button has us beat very often. But this guy leading into 4 people twice definitely makes this probably a fold without a solid read. Everything I said tough i think still applies to 3way on the turn.

Also the example of someone leading the turn with your range trax. isn't how things should be approached. Its how the field plays not how you play. The field does lots of things like donkbetting 1/3 pot. If i ever did it i wouldn't intend on folding to some random young kid raising me. But that doesn't mean other people are all doing it to induce. I'd agree with folding here 4way


---BUT if the button wasn't in this hand from the flop I'd probably just get it in vs his continue range 3way. Though the more I think about it. The more I realize you guys might have a point and that most people would be more pot control here on the turn with hands we beat. I think most of the time you could just peg which person they would be after not a long time playing with them tbh. If this guy has ever checkraised flop with like 88 on J high board, or JT or something to figure out where hes at or merged super hard for spaz value/bluff then I'd be getting it in. If hes shown some sort of pot control before with similar hand strength to what we need him to have then sure its a fold also obv.

I kind of changed the topic but I think most people already agree the 4way turn spot is a fold. so I just threw in the other part for a closer scenario

I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance, by running away from the scene of an accident.Last edit: 22/06/2015 13:33

X env0y_nl   Netherlands. Jun 23 2015 00:34. Posts 244

but why not reraise flop? you call 35 in a 137 pot on the flop and you have to defend your hand because its most of the times good on a raindbow T high flop, with reraising we get information also if you get calls its easier to give up i think, but the fact that its 4way and the preflop raise should be higher maybe makes its harder and even harder on turn and rivers, dunno im not a pro, just a thought.

Conquer, but dont triumphLast edit: 23/06/2015 10:19

NewbSaibot   United States. Jun 23 2015 01:07. Posts 4943

shit I folded a set in a $1200 pot at 1/2 once, fish jammed the river on a A2346 runout. He turns over A4 and says "i had to shove, there was so much money out there". I quit playing for like 6 months after that lol.

bye now 

SuperCardUser   United States. Jun 23 2015 19:23. Posts 83

Envoy I thought that raising flop might be ok too. That lead out bet might be a "where am I at" bet and I can retake control of action. Problem I think is 4 players are in. But i dunno. If I raise maybe I only get called by better hands and that is not a good scenario.


 
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