LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Jun 18 2015 21:00. Posts 15163
On June 18 2015 15:29 RiKD wrote:
Everyone is cool with lost 18-19 yr old women getting lured and coerced and trapped into doing escalatingly degrading pornography for money?
Speaking up about it equates to not having balls?
What the fuck?
Where am I?
Hmmm, perhaps people are feeling attacked for watching pornography?
Bitch, don't kill my vibe. Bitch, don't kill my vibe.
I know it fucks up my high to think about that amateur getting pounded and jizzed on not as a pornstar fantasy but as a real human being in real life who many times ran away from home upon finding the first appealing craiglist ad and is now trapped with having to agree to do more every video just to make ends meet.
Listen to this - pornstar duke student with a feminist stance, who was e.g. on The View. This one's way more fun tho
93% Sure!
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Jun 18 2015 21:27. Posts 8648
On June 18 2015 11:52 RiKD wrote:
Wait...
So you guys are against a rehabilitation center for men that have experienced sexual abuse and violence?
Don't believe that sexual abuse and violence towards males exists?
or???
it is a good thing to have and of course sexual abuse towards males exists, it was just a funny comment to make given the context of the discussion.
to be honest i haven't thought much about the morality of porn or objectifying women in general, but sex is such a basic part of our nature i don't see why focusing on/promoting that aspect of a person would be a bad thing? the porn industry surely has issues creating an environment conducive to exploitation like stroggoz mentioned (differentiating exploitation from objectification here) but i don't think it's that obvious that getting rid of it wouldn't create more dilemmas than it would solve. like there's some chance the girl in the last porn you watched is a drug addict whose habit you're contributing to by 0.000001%, on the other hand you didn't stab your boss/girlfriend/whoever out of frustration. i think this is getting away from your OP about objectifying women but it's hard for me to see anything inherently wrong about that so i don't know how to respond.
Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men.
On June 18 2015 21:52 Tensai176 wrote:
I hear you brother.
Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men.
Yea because you know.. those men don't treat their cars like gods and take better care of them then they do of themselves. It's not men objectifying women lol, it's men humanizing (is that a word?) objects.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jun 18 2015 23:58. Posts 2225
On June 18 2015 21:52 Tensai176 wrote:
I hear you brother.
Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men.
Men do not name their tools, cars, or computers.
Even if they did, that would be anthropomorphizing the tools, not objectifying some imaginary woman
You can count on one hand the artifacts in English that sometimes people use female pronouns to refer to, like boats. And I'm sure women rich enough to have their own fucking boats would do that just as often. Please don't buy into "feminist linguistics" ("history" or "mankind" too sexist for you?) - take a 5 second look at any language that has grammatical gender. Seriously, try going dildo shopping. Do you think there aren't women naming their dildos? They even come (as it were) pre-named.
seriously exactly what were you thinking here? Calling a car beautiful is objectifying? Objectifying what, the living, breathing car?
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
On June 18 2015 21:52 Tensai176 wrote:
I hear you brother.
Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men.
Men do not name their tools, cars, or computers.
Even if they did, that would be anthropomorphizing the tools, not objectifying some imaginary woman
You can count on one hand the artifacts in English that sometimes people use female pronouns to refer to, like boats. And I'm sure women rich enough to have their own fucking boats would do that just as often. Please don't buy into "feminist linguistics" ("history" or "mankind" too sexist for you?) - take a 5 second look at any language that has grammatical gender. Seriously, try going dildo shopping. Do you think there aren't women naming their dildos? They even come (as it were) pre-named.
seriously exactly what were you thinking here? Calling a car beautiful is objectifying? Objectifying what, the living, breathing car?
Good points, but there is a lot to do with possession and a lot of cultural traditions that compare chattel with women that have a direct influence in our language.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jun 19 2015 07:39. Posts 6374
only ppl bitching about objectifying are ugly ones
ban baal
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jun 19 2015 16:50. Posts 2225
On June 18 2015 21:52 Tensai176 wrote:
I hear you brother.
Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men.
Men do not name their tools, cars, or computers.
Even if they did, that would be anthropomorphizing the tools, not objectifying some imaginary woman
You can count on one hand the artifacts in English that sometimes people use female pronouns to refer to, like boats. And I'm sure women rich enough to have their own fucking boats would do that just as often. Please don't buy into "feminist linguistics" ("history" or "mankind" too sexist for you?) - take a 5 second look at any language that has grammatical gender. Seriously, try going dildo shopping. Do you think there aren't women naming their dildos? They even come (as it were) pre-named.
seriously exactly what were you thinking here? Calling a car beautiful is objectifying? Objectifying what, the living, breathing car?
Good points, but there is a lot to do with possession and a lot of cultural traditions that compare chattel with women that have a direct influence in our language.
name two
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
I think it's positive that we acknowledge that violence is bad for everyone and we should try to break the vicious circle. What's really bad in my opinion is that we hear mostly tragic and shocking news of people being abused or killed that we become to accept violence as part of our society way more than we should. People aren't inherently evil but too many times I argued with someone else who thinks the opposite.
On June 18 2015 21:52 Tensai176 wrote:
I hear you brother.
Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men.
lol come off it.
so are all romance languages and many germanic languages misogynists and objectifiers now because they arbitrarily assigned the female gender to half of the words?
On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalid
On June 18 2015 15:51 Santafairy wrote:
Please tell me more about how adult men and women can't make decisions about their own bodies and lives
+1 but I'll try to respond to rikd a bit..
On June 18 2015 15:29 RiKD wrote:
Everyone is cool with lost 18-19 yr old women getting lured and coerced and trapped into doing escalatingly degrading pornography for money?
Speaking up about it equates to not having balls?
What the fuck?
Where am I?
Hmmm, perhaps people are feeling attacked for watching pornography?
Bitch, don't kill my vibe. Bitch, don't kill my vibe.
I know it fucks up my high to think about that amateur getting pounded and jizzed on not as a pornstar fantasy but as a real human being in real life who many times ran away from home upon finding the first appealing craiglist ad and is now trapped with having to agree to do more every video just to make ends meet.
They're not being coerced or trapped. Millions of people face the same situations and choose different paths. Pornstars choose to exploit their own sexuality for profit, it's that simple. No old dark man is out there choosing for them. There's a narrative for each pornstar's decision to start doing porn. Sometimes they may feel degraded but at the end of the day it's just a performance and doesn't actually degrade them in any way. That's a really tough reality pornstars HAVE to be ok with. Even the most hardcore porn isn't degrading although if those acts were carried out without a contract, prior consent and knowledge of the acts then perhaps you might be able to judge the situation dynamically and say it probably feels degrading. The reality is that in every porn shoot the performers know exactly what kind of shoot they're doing, what sexual acts they'll perform and express what they don't want to happen prior. In more hardcore bondage or gangbang scenes women are often interviewed and asked if they're ok with certain things first (on camera) and they do say no to things they aren't ok with. However, they're obviously ok with some acts otherwise they wouldn't be in a bondage shoot. But, it's hard to shoot bondage without degrading someone, right? lol. If you define degrading as causing loss of self-respect then there's an impenetrable barrier the pornstar (them-self) always has especially given their contract, pre-approved acts and partners etc. If you decide to take a definition of degrade and twist it to be an objective truth whereby the mere reputation of being a pornstar is enough to say they're degraded then you're flat out wrong. It's an internal, psychological process. Is it hard psychologically? Definitely can be. There's a sort of invisible barrier there I'd call professionalism that people aren't able to see. What actually goes on inside a pornstar's head? It's a mixed bag and they're people too.. maybe we should start treating them with the respect they deserve and ask them without our own agendas?
On June 18 2015 15:29 RiKD wrote:
Everyone is cool with lost 18-19 yr old women getting lured and coerced and trapped into doing escalatingly degrading pornography for money?
Speaking up about it equates to not having balls?
What the fuck?
Where am I?
Hmmm, perhaps people are feeling attacked for watching pornography?
Bitch, don't kill my vibe. Bitch, don't kill my vibe.
I know it fucks up my high to think about that amateur getting pounded and jizzed on not as a pornstar fantasy but as a real human being in real life who many times ran away from home upon finding the first appealing craiglist ad and is now trapped with having to agree to do more every video just to make ends meet.
Listen to this - pornstar duke student with a feminist stance, who was e.g. on The View. This one's way more fun tho
Really interesting, thanks. Holy crap Howard Stern asked some really blunt questions, haha. RiKD watch this and ask yourself if she's being exploited for going after what she wants (a college education) and facing the economic reality headon while outspokenly admitting that she loves her life, despite the negative public stigma.
In part, the new feminism can be seen as mission creep: an old movement looking for a new role now that its original aims have largely been achieved. This would explain why it is so obsessed with culture, with how people think and speak and with what words they use or images they view. Having achieved equality in the legal and work spheres, some feminists are now moving into the realms of culture and even thought, where their politics, or any politics for that matter, has no place. The end result is often intolerance, a demand not only that society remove all the barriers to women’s engagement in public life — which is a good demand — but also that people and art and culture think about and depict women in a particular, ‘correct’ way, which is an illiberal demand.
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
I thought of a poem about my trip to LA Fitness today:
Bad bitches everywhere
The place was packed with pretty pussy
How bout this?:
"Hey girlll... I like dat ass and dat outfit and would like to get to know you a bit better... (I would like to get to know dat ass outside of dat outfit reverse cowgirl whooo! Ohhh, my bad, I meant) let's get to that (new hipster) spot (all the 20 somethings are into) next Wednesday and break some bread and have some conversations."
I think I re-found one of those short term cures for depression though:
1/2 bar chocolate
2 strong coffees
2 monsters
l-tyrosine
vit d
fish oil
gym when all the bad bitches on instagram straight flexin
Oh shit though, it only works until it doesn't. Fuck I'll be at 2 bars chocolate, 4 strong coffees, 2 monsters, 2 l-tyrosines by next week? Shiiieeettt...
Oh well...
Bad bitches are human beings too! With hearts, and brains, and souls, and spirit! Breakthrough! Swish!
Please tell me more about how adult men and women can't make decisions about their own bodies and lives
True. At this point in time I do not think I am really making contentions on anything. Just trying to engage, discuss, possibly learn something.
I don't know.
It goes to a general question/comment that from my experiences most 18 yr olds are pretty easy prey for predatory adults. That goes for military recruitment, that goes for porn, that goes for anything really.
They're not being coerced or trapped. Millions of people face the same situations and choose different paths. Pornstars choose to exploit their own sexuality for profit, it's that simple. No old dark man is out there choosing for them. There's a narrative for each pornstar's decision to start doing porn. Sometimes they may feel degraded but at the end of the day it's just a performance and doesn't actually degrade them in any way. That's a really tough reality pornstars HAVE to be ok with. Even the most hardcore porn isn't degrading although if those acts were carried out without a contract, prior consent and knowledge of the acts then perhaps you might be able to judge the situation dynamically and say it probably feels degrading. The reality is that in every porn shoot the performers know exactly what kind of shoot they're doing, what sexual acts they'll perform and express what they don't want to happen prior. In more hardcore bondage or gangbang scenes women are often interviewed and asked if they're ok with certain things first (on camera) and they do say no to things they aren't ok with. However, they're obviously ok with some acts otherwise they wouldn't be in a bondage shoot. But, it's hard to shoot bondage without degrading someone, right? lol. If you define degrading as causing loss of self-respect then there's an impenetrable barrier the pornstar (them-self) always has especially given their contract, pre-approved acts and partners etc. If you decide to take a definition of degrade and twist it to be an objective truth whereby the mere reputation of being a pornstar is enough to say they're degraded then you're flat out wrong. It's an internal, psychological process. Is it hard psychologically? Definitely can be. There's a sort of invisible barrier there I'd call professionalism that people aren't able to see. What actually goes on inside a pornstar's head? It's a mixed bag and they're people too.. maybe we should start treating them with the respect they deserve and ask them without our own agendas?
Yeah. It is tricky. How does one define degrading? I don't know at this moment.
Yeah, it would be interesting to make a documentary on what actually goes on inside a pornstar's head. Interesting but not likely. My agenda is peace, love, tolerance, truth, kindness. That is always my desired intentions and most times will be my honest intentions as long as I am spiritually and emotionally fit.
Really interesting, thanks. Holy crap Howard Stern asked some really blunt questions, haha. RiKD watch this and ask yourself if she's being exploited for going after what she wants (a college education) and facing the economic reality headon while outspokenly admitting that she loves her life, despite the negative public stigma.
Yeah, definitely interesting. Have to give credit to Howard for being such an awesome interviewer.
I do not think that Belle Knox in particular is being super exploited. She seems really sharp for her age. She did mention for people out there to be really careful when looking to get in the industry and that on multiple occasions people have attempted to manipulate her into doing scenes she did not want to do.
Does anyone think a strong minded, independent, sharp Duke student going for a civil rights law occupation is an average representation of 18 yr olds going into porn?
I know it fucks up my high to think about that amateur getting pounded and jizzed on not as a pornstar fantasy but as a real human being in real life who many times ran away from home upon finding the first appealing craiglist ad and is now trapped with having to agree to do more every video just to make ends meet.
What if thinking about that just got you off more?
Good question. I don't know.
Honestly, as long as people don't act out on fucked up thoughts they are probably ok?
If they become bothersome enough and/or unmanageable it is time to seek outside help?
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jun 26 2015 06:32. Posts 2225
Please tell me more about how adult men and women can't make decisions about their own bodies and lives
True. At this point in time I do not think I am really making contentions on anything. Just trying to engage, discuss, possibly learn something.
I don't know.
It goes to a general question/comment that from my experiences most 18 yr olds are pretty easy prey for predatory adults. That goes for military recruitment, that goes for porn, that goes for anything really.
18 year olds are adults
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
On June 26 2015 04:27 RiKD wrote:
I do not think that Belle Knox in particular is being super exploited. She seems really sharp for her age. She did mention for people out there to be really careful when looking to get in the industry and that on multiple occasions people have attempted to manipulate her into doing scenes she did not want to do.
Does anyone think a strong minded, independent, sharp Duke student going for a civil rights law occupation is an average representation of 18 yr olds going into porn?
She's being exploited to the extent that she's openly comfortable and happy with exploiting her own sexually. If you can call that exploiting, ok, but it's not degrading as she's totally okay with it. Imo she came across as more of a strong voice for women in the industry, as she said sex workers are coming up to her and thanking her or w/e. Sure, there are women that do 1 scene and end up regretting it or that find out they hate it and that's unfortunate.
Please tell me more about how adult men and women can't make decisions about their own bodies and lives
True. At this point in time I do not think I am really making contentions on anything. Just trying to engage, discuss, possibly learn something.
I don't know.
It goes to a general question/comment that from my experiences most 18 yr olds are pretty easy prey for predatory adults. That goes for military recruitment, that goes for porn, that goes for anything really.
18 year olds are adults
Legally, yeah. He does have a point there though as a lot of 18 year olds, despite being legal, aren't ready to make this kind of decision imo but it just depends as a lot totally are. All the more reason to create and maintain strong bonds with your children so they can come to you for help and advice on even the most difficult subjects and in times of need.
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jul 10 2015 02:44. Posts 2225
I mean what's the point of having an age of majority if you reject that adults can make their own decisions
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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