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TheTrees   United States. May 29 2015 22:32. Posts 1592


 

The convicted mastermind behind the world's largest online narcotics emporium has been sentenced by a federal judge to two terms of life in prison and three lesser sentences, USA Today reports.
The judge also ordered Ross Ulbricht, 31, to forfeit $184 million dollars. The website made over $187 million before it was shut down in 2013.

The government estimated that roughly $1.2 billion in illegal drug transactions took place on Silk Road.

The judge said it was a "demand expanding operation" and that what Ulbricht did was thoughtful, as opposed to just being an economic experiment. She added that he often referred to it as his life's work and a worldwide criminal enterprise.

"Silk Road was about creating demand and fulfilling demand," the judge said. "You don't fit the criminal profile" — noting that he was well educated — "but you are a criminal."

"I don't know that you feel a lot of remorse," the judge added. "I don't think you know that you hurt a lot of people."





http://finance.yahoo.com/news/founder-silk-road-drug-marketplace-195900814.html

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traxamillion   United States. May 29 2015 22:43. Posts 10468

its bullshit but he fucked up


Santafairy   Korea (South). May 29 2015 23:47. Posts 2224

"and whose website resulted in countless addictions and multiple drug-related deaths because of the ease with which it allowed people to purchase drugs."

This is from a government which operates liquor stores and then advocates a nonsense 12-step AA program to addicts

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

vasoline73   United States. May 30 2015 00:43. Posts 808

Pretty sad. Expected, but that's sad in itself.

Living in the US was a big mistake though, not sure what he expected. Either way I hope we see a better drug policy in the next 60 or so years.


Trav94   Canada. May 30 2015 03:50. Posts 1785


  On May 29 2015 22:47 Santafairy wrote:
"and whose website resulted in countless addictions and multiple drug-related deaths because of the ease with which it allowed people to purchase drugs."

This is from a government which operates liquor stores and then advocates a nonsense 12-step AA program to addicts


spugru   Finland. May 30 2015 07:28. Posts 187

Since he got life he goes to max security prison?

play your position small soldier 

RiKD    United States. May 30 2015 07:56. Posts 8442


  On May 29 2015 22:47 Santafairy wrote:
"and whose website resulted in countless addictions and multiple drug-related deaths because of the ease with which it allowed people to purchase drugs."

This is from a government which operates liquor stores and then advocates a nonsense 12-step AA program to addicts



Yeah:

Drug addicts lead to countless addictions and multiple drug-related deaths fo sho. War on drugs is a joke. State sponsored and advertised liquor stores, casinos, and lotteries are lol.

but...

Since when does the government advocate the 12-step AA program?

and...

What experience with addiction and the 12-step AA program do you have?

and...

Why do you think it is nonsense?

My answers would be:

1.) I was not aware that any government advocated 12-step abstinence based recovery programs. I know a lot of doctors and clean/sober recovering addicts/alcoholics that advocate them. I am not attempting to defend the government. I was going to write a bunch of disparaging remarks about the government but meh that is not why I am posting.

2.) 3.) I am posting this under an anonymous pseudonym and anyone who knows me in real life I do not mind if they know that I am a recovering addict/alcoholic. I can only speak from personal experience but as a former hopeless addict/alcoholic in the depths of a hopeless active addiction and following hopeless cleantime/sobriety I would likely be dead or living a crushingly miserable existence if it were not for certain fellowships and a quality abstinence based 12-step program of recovery. The reason for the anonymity is numerous but high on the list is that if RiKD goes out and starts using again and causes harm, starts using again and overdoses or just flat out kills himself, anyone that reads this can cry out "See! x, y, z abstinence based 12-step programs are nonsense!"

For me, even if I do relapse and cause harm or end up killing myself that does not mean that abstinence based 12-step programs are nonsense.

To qualify, my clean/sober date is April 24, 2014. The opinion that all abstinence based 12-step recovery programs are nonsense got me a lot of pain, misery, and soul crushing anxiety. It led to horrendous relapses. It led to suicidal thought upon suicidal thought upon suicidal thought. It led to being locked up in a psych ward for being suicidal. The naloxone + therapist route was not enough for me. This is not to say a quality 12-step program is the end all be all for all but it was and continues to be a very crucial part of my ongoing recovery.

I will not be posting anymore on abstinence based recovery programs in this thread. If anyone has any questions please PM. I will do my best to help in any reasonable way I can.


RiKD    United States. May 30 2015 08:05. Posts 8442

Back on topic:

"I don't know that you feel a lot of remorse," the judge added. "I don't think you know that you hurt a lot of people."

I always wonder if judges, politicians, police officers feel any remorse. Many times I think they do not know that they hurt a lot of people.

I do not know enough about the case to have any opinion on the fairness aspect of this particular case, that is just something that stuck out from OP.


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 30 2015 08:35. Posts 5290


  On May 30 2015 07:05 RiKD wrote:
Back on topic:

"I don't know that you feel a lot of remorse," the judge added. "I don't think you know that you hurt a lot of people."

I always wonder if judges, politicians, police officers feel any remorse. Many times I think they do not know that they hurt a lot of people.

I do not know enough about the case to have any opinion on the fairness aspect of this particular case, that is just something that stuck out from OP.



They rationalize it, like all human beings and the silk road guy. (reading his linkden profile it's clear this guy thinks he is being noble in his actions). I think if any judge thought about the war on drugs for a little bit they would see that their job would be much more fruitful if they were sending people to jail for creating the law rather than sending people to jail for breaking it (in the case of the war on drugs).



One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings 

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 30 2015 08:38. Posts 9634

I don't see how a judge can do his job "properly" and feel remorse


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 30 2015 08:46. Posts 5290

drug addiction problems like these would be much more easily solved politically than creating non-political efforts like 12-step program. You'll notice this for basically any issue. People would rather just rationalize climate change and buy some solar power panels on their house or a hybrid car. Well if they thought about it a bit more they would realize that what they are doing is a complete waste of time and money. They should be supporting political efforts if they want any real change.

Those who don't wanna decriminalize opium are also in favor of supporting mass murdering warlords in Afghanistan, since that is the consequence of not decriminalizing it, and people are (or should be ) capable of understanding the consequences of their actions or inaction.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 30/05/2015 08:50

whamm!   Albania. May 30 2015 09:10. Posts 11625

I'll allow torrents but drugs, weapons and kid porn fuck that guy


dnagardi   Hungary. May 30 2015 09:24. Posts 1776

yea well, what did he expect??


Garfed   Malta. May 30 2015 11:23. Posts 4818

His life sentence is probably more related to the fact that he ordered and paid for tortures and like 3-4 assassinations (including one of entire family if I remember correctly) of people that threatened his business, rather then creating the market itself imo.

I'm not really surprised here, would be shocked if he got anything less then 25years or life.


Smuft   Canada. May 30 2015 11:40. Posts 633


  On May 30 2015 10:23 Defrag wrote:
His life sentence is probably more related to the fact that he ordered and paid for tortures and like 3-4 assassinations (including one of entire family if I remember correctly) of people that threatened his business, rather then creating the market itself imo.

I'm not really surprised here, would be shocked if he got anything less then 25years or life.



"Prosecutors' allegations that Ulbricht tried to arrange several murders-for-hire also came up at trial, but he was not charged for them in this case. Instead, one of those six accusations is pending in Maryland."

Summary of his sentences:

"Forrest vacated two of the drug charges, finding them duplicative, and gave Ulbricht a life sentence for each of the remaining two. She also imposed five years for aiding and abetting computer hacking, 15 years for trafficking fake IDs, and 20 years for money laundering. The sentences are all to be served concurrently."

One of the drug sentences was for something along the lines of "being a drug king pin" lol

 Last edit: 30/05/2015 12:33

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 30 2015 13:14. Posts 9634


  On May 30 2015 07:46 Stroggoz wrote:
Those who don't wanna decriminalize opium are also in favor of supporting mass murdering warlords in Afghanistan, since that is the consequence of not decriminalizing it, and people are (or should be ) capable of understanding the consequences of their actions or inaction.



I've tried explaining such topics to my friends and not only, but the biases set into a person mind just for self preservation are so strong it would take months to change ones mind. The normal person cant understand how drug decriminalization and possibly legalization would actually decrease the use and consequences they create.

Having an open mind is essential to everything though

 Last edit: 30/05/2015 13:15

JohnnyBologna   United States. May 30 2015 14:26. Posts 1401

well. it seems when you add the words drugs and jail together the outcome isnt so great.

Just do whats right 

devon06atX   Canada. May 30 2015 15:07. Posts 5458

Had to know they were going to throw the book at him


chris   United States. May 30 2015 19:00. Posts 5503


  On May 29 2015 22:47 Santafairy wrote:
"and whose website resulted in countless addictions and multiple drug-related deaths because of the ease with which it allowed people to purchase drugs."

This is from a government which operates liquor stores and then advocates a nonsense 12-step AA program to addicts



Reagan allowed cartels to import cocaine to raise money to buy weapons from the US govt.

We allowed Pfizer to market synthetic heroin and say it had near zero ability to become addictive.

Super hypocritical government. If Ulbricht had found a way to infuse some senators with a few million in campaign contributions or to SUPER PACs I think he might have gotten off a lot easier.

It is kind of hard to to pull a defense that it was all an experiment or he didn't really know of the the silk road impact. He was raking in millions, went to great lengths to protect his identity, fortune, and to keep the site operating. Why he did not relocate to a country with non-extradition laws escapes me. As smart as he was, he sure was stupid staying in the US.

If I was in his position I'd be in one of those countries (it is a short list, but there are still a few decent ones) where there was no extradition agreement with the US, and the COL was manageable. He could work anywhere in the world. Why stay in Cali and risk so much?

5 minute showers are my 8 minute abs. - Neilly 

chris   United States. May 30 2015 19:02. Posts 5503

to RiKD - I am friends with someone who has been involved in politics, as well as having been a sheriff and is now a judge. He was also involved in a law firm for politicians and government affairs. He catches some flack from other judges, politicians, etc, because he tries to go easy on drug related crime. He thinks it is more of a medical issue than criminal, but he does come down tough on violent crime. He goes to the middle when it is drug addicts robbing people, etc.

He thinks it is rather hypocritical of the system, and readily acknowledges the system has been much harder on the impoverished and blacks.

5 minute showers are my 8 minute abs. - Neilly 

 
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