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KwarK   United Kingdom. May 13 2015 01:08. Posts 1019

I was a shitty poker player back in 2010 or so who was barely able to beat 50nl. I quit playing poker because I was shit at it. Fortunately I've been successful elsewhere and have found myself with a good income living in New Mexico, a land filled with Indian casinos. My understanding is that online games have gotten impossibly more difficult but if live games haven't gotten more difficult I'd be interested in attempting live poker. I'm horribly rusty, was never especially good and the game has gotten way harder since I quit. I am, however, sufficiently bankrolled and this is live poker. I'm considering spending a few evenings getting my feet wet.

Good idea or bad idea?

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PoorUser    United States. May 13 2015 01:56. Posts 7471

if you have money to spare its still easy

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K40Cheddar   United States. May 13 2015 02:24. Posts 2202

Live players are bad but your hand sample is going to be so slow if you're accustomed to online play.

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Trav94   Canada. May 13 2015 06:32. Posts 1785

Go for it.


Smuft   Canada. May 13 2015 15:35. Posts 633

Probably need more information to give a good answer. You said your reason for quitting before was because you were shit?

That would lead me to say if your only motivation to do this is for money then I'd just do something else. If there are other motivations like; the challenge, social aspect, fun then this might be more rewarding.

Also your relative income matters here you said you make a "good living" if that means a >100k / year job then the extra potential earn from poker probably won't be very relevant, especially if the variance will effect your day to day happiness / productivity in other parts of your life.

For some loose reference guide (live grinders pls correct me if im way off):

(assuming deep stacks, reasonable rake and questionable players)
The better live regs in the game make:

2/5 live ~35 / hour
5/10 live ~70 / hour

 Last edit: 13/05/2015 15:47

traxamillion   United States. May 13 2015 17:30. Posts 10468

Looks right, I can take the local 3/5 game for more than 35/hr though on weekends/evenings, especially in the first must move game when u start with all the fish and the nit regs already been filtered into the main game.


traxamillion   United States. May 13 2015 17:32. Posts 10468

Where I play 5/10 has significantly better players than 3/5 (there being multiple 5/10 tables and that usually being the highest stake besides 10/20 on weekends) so while the game is twice as big and rake is slightly less of a actor I still don't think winrates there are double 3/5

The 3/5 gets someone walking up to punt off a couple hundred bucks every few mins

 Last edit: 13/05/2015 17:56

casinocasino   Canada. May 15 2015 13:52. Posts 3343

where are the best 2/5 or 5/10 games in USA?


Stim_Abuser   United States. May 15 2015 23:23. Posts 7499

^ California and Vegas. Probably southern California but I haven't played much Northern Cali games.

2/5 $40-50 an hour and 5/10 $80-100 an hour are pretty attainable. Live games are ridiculously soft. Especially on the weekends.

Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny peteLast edit: 15/05/2015 23:23

VanDerMeyde   Norway. May 16 2015 13:13. Posts 5108

Try to get into a 5-6 handed live game without rake imo home game. I hate casino 10 man game with ridicolous rake even thou soft. Sooo slow

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casinocasino   Canada. May 16 2015 18:21. Posts 3343

I've played a ton in Socal and its pretty awful for 2/5 - 5/10... its not the worst but its pretty bad.. they rake $4 on every hand even if their is no flop.


casinocasino   Canada. May 16 2015 18:22. Posts 3343


  On May 16 2015 12:13 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Try to get into a 5-6 handed live game without rake imo home game. I hate casino 10 man game with ridicolous rake even thou soft. Sooo slow



Where can you find no rake short handed home games?


mnj   United States. May 17 2015 16:26. Posts 3848


  On May 13 2015 14:35 Smuft wrote:
Probably need more information to give a good answer. You said your reason for quitting before was because you were shit?

That would lead me to say if your only motivation to do this is for money then I'd just do something else. If there are other motivations like; the challenge, social aspect, fun then this might be more rewarding.

Also your relative income matters here you said you make a "good living" if that means a >100k / year job then the extra potential earn from poker probably won't be very relevant, especially if the variance will effect your day to day happiness / productivity in other parts of your life.

For some loose reference guide (live grinders pls correct me if im way off):

(assuming deep stacks, reasonable rake and questionable players)
The better live regs in the game make:

2/5 live ~35 / hour
5/10 live ~70 / hour




if you make more that 60k a year there is actually 0 reason to touch live poker for money if you make less than 60 k a year, imo you should focus on certifications, continued education, job research or self improvement where you can make 60k a year

i still play poker from time to time for various personal reasons but mainly stemming from the monotony of life. however there is a lot of monotony from live poker as well.

i also don't think those hourlies are attainable for OP considering how rusty he is. the absolute MAX you can make at 1/2 or 2/2 is ~20/hour factoring rake/tip. also the casino I play at, no one buys in for more than 1 buy in, and several people are buying in for 30-50 bb


mnj   United States. May 17 2015 16:28. Posts 3848


  On May 16 2015 12:13 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Try to get into a 5-6 handed live game without rake imo home game. I hate casino 10 man game with ridicolous rake even thou soft. Sooo slow



i couldn't play poker more than once a month with friends tho with a clear conscience


ReSpOnSe   United States. May 18 2015 19:50. Posts 405

Take $100 and put it on ACR or Bovada and try to run it up... much more fun imo. Live games are insanely boring imo and if your pretty rusty at least it'll be cheaper to relearn the game... I'm glad to see your doing good Kwark been a long time since I saw your name haha gl in whatever you decide to do!


VanDerMeyde   Norway. May 22 2015 12:34. Posts 5108


  On May 16 2015 17:22 casinocasino wrote:
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Where can you find no rake short handed home games?


Facebook group poker for where you live

Its often 8-9 handed at 18.00, but a lot of times when it gets 23.00 or later people start leaving and 4-5 guys left that u get to see a lot of hands with. And they are horrible and drunk

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VanDerMeyde   Norway. May 24 2015 12:25. Posts 5108

For example "Poker Bergen" or "Poker Oslo" in Norway are awesome if you are in Norway :D EVERY day someone arranges something, and totally rakefree. And the competition will make 0.01 / 0.02 online look like a hard game to beat. This is not normal in your country ?

By the way, we had 1 online guy playing the game for a short while. But he refused to play the tournaments (because he disagreed about the format lol) and he sat out if we played NL Omaha in cashgame... And while playing some GTO preflop range in NL holdem.... just generally he was beeing unlikable. Eventually people didnt want him in the game anymore. Dont be like him please

Just play whatever the fish wants to play and how they want to play it - even if the blind structure is a bit quick in tournaments you still end up in top 3 way too often somehow anyway if you are good. NL holdem, Pineapple, NL omaha, NL 5-card omaha and NL holdem tournaments is played where I live. Its "dealer choice" for cashgame and i always pick Omaha. I sometimes mention fixed limit holdem or stud and they all laugh and think i made a joke if i mention any of those limit games :D

:DLast edit: 24/05/2015 15:30

casinocasino   Canada. May 26 2015 21:12. Posts 3343

maybe for 1/2nl, but for me personally its not worth playing anything lower then 5/10 because my hourly is much better online


DrBOOM   . May 27 2015 13:44. Posts 6

nvm

 Last edit: 27/05/2015 13:45

 



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