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Rinny   United States. May 04 2015 20:05. Posts 600


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dnagardi   Hungary. May 04 2015 21:22. Posts 1776

everyone is solid, theres no money in online poker, now not just at 1c-2c but it reached the bottom, play money.


MeProOk   Bulgaria. May 04 2015 21:25. Posts 246

shit, i use the same theme, cards and layout


NewbSaibot   United States. May 04 2015 22:40. Posts 4943

So I drove 4 hours to play live last weekend. I thought about depositing my roll online instead but felt the live scene might just be juicy enough to offset the expense and inconvenience of travel. I pocketed just over 500BB's profit. 100BB went towards expenses. Doubt I could have done this online even on Bovada. Online poker is dead, you all ruined it.

bye now 

casinocasino   Canada. May 04 2015 23:26. Posts 3343

I've been crushing on bovada.. Definitely not dead.

did you win 500bb at 1/2? thats a really solid session.. how long did you play?

 Last edit: 04/05/2015 23:26

dogmeat   Czech Republic. May 05 2015 00:21. Posts 6374

call -> buy more play chips

ban baal 

traxamillion   United States. May 05 2015 00:31. Posts 10468

Live poker is a whole different animal. $ still flows like its 2007 some places.

Bovada is cool too though; loving the heads up plo sit n go's.

Nice session 500bb is huge for the # of hands I imagine u played


Highcard   Canada. May 05 2015 04:15. Posts 5428

How do you know GTO

I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time 

Santafairy   Korea (South). May 05 2015 05:57. Posts 2225


  On May 05 2015 03:15 Highcard wrote:
How do you know GTO

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

K40Cheddar   United States. May 05 2015 06:17. Posts 2202


  On May 04 2015 19:05 Rinny wrote:
How can I beat when everyone is correctly GTO overbetting? :3



Fold?

GG 

Rinny   United States. May 05 2015 13:44. Posts 600

Hand 1 villain limps I open, bet otf and Ott then check fold river. Hand 2 I call pre, then check call a PSB otf, turn is check check. Then I check fold river.


goose58   United States. May 05 2015 23:33. Posts 871

#1 18,500 to win 48,000 = 38.5% is how often we need to win to break even on a call. He's risking 18,500 to win 29,500 = 62.7% of the time he needs to win the pot to break even if he's bluffing.

I'd say his value range could be AA, QQ, AQ/KQ/QJ/QT/Q9s/Qxhh, TT, KJ, possibly AK/AJ(unlikely + we have blockers)

Around 43 combos, if you include AJ into his range, 39 if not.

His bluff range could be Ax(AT/A9/A8/A7/A6/A5/A4/A3/A2), KT, K9hh, JT, all low heart draws(98/97/96/87/86/85/76/75/74/65/64/63/54/53/52/43/42/32 hh), random air sometimes

A quick look in equilab gives me 39 combos with card removal and I removed some lower Ax from his range(without reads), removed a few combos of KT and left only one combo of JT


So his range is dependent on his style and tendencies. Some people never bluff rivers, some people bluff them a lot. A typical river overbet shove is going to be for value more often than not.

If his range is 39 combos of air, 39 value, yea we should call(because we only need to win 38% of the time and we would win 50% in this example). But he might only bluff half of those combos, or worse, none.

In the end I guess it's just " opponent dependent " . Is your opponent capable of bluffing like this? Does he think you're capable of folding? What does he put you on? Does he really expect you to fold the river?

I don't know the games you are playing in, but I don't hate either calling or folding(lol). Folding is fine and most likely the best play against a standard opponent, because he has a strong hand often in his betting range. Also, we have better bluff catchers in our range. Calling is reasonable too, because play money, and he doesn't have to be bluffing all that often for it to be ok/correct. But he's probably not bluffing often enough on the river

BTW the range I used is incorrect to some degree and should be more tailored to your reads/stats/history of him

 Last edit: 05/05/2015 23:39

Rinny   United States. May 08 2015 05:37. Posts 600

Thanks for the analysis goose. Sadly its zoom and I don't take notes. Although I will note that I think the stars play money games are comparable to 2nl because of the rake. People at 20,000nl play money have either ran it up or bought chips


fira   United States. May 14 2015 14:25. Posts 6345

looking to sell lots and lots of full tilt play chips... plx plx


 



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