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HungarianGOD   . Feb 11 2015 06:53. Posts 405

So this is a hand I had against a friend of mine. He is the villain, is a live pro, and someone I've played headsup with online and a ton of hands live at the casino. bit of our history- + Show Spoiler +



Here is the hand. We are playing 6 handed. Button has $281, I'm the small blind with $1000 in front of me, and villain covers. Villain opens from mid position to $20, Button calls 20, I call 20 with 3h3d.

Flop ($62)
5s8s7h
Checks around

Turn ($62)
5s8s7h3c
I lead out $40, villian calls, button goes allin for $261. Button had gotten a little bit loose like some people do as they are getting ready to go home, so I was thinking he could have a flush draw, an open-ended straight draw, 2 pair, maybe even top pair top kicker. I call, villain shoves for slightly over another $700.

Due to the button just having gone allin, there are no bluffs that he would do this with. I don't think there are really combo draws he would do that with either, MAYBE 7s6s. There is no way that he would check back 2 pair on such a wet board after I checked on the flop, and I don't think he would ever check a set here. I wouldn't have thought he would check any 64s or 96s the flop either (and not sure if he would raise 96s preflop anyway). Essentially, from my point of view there are no hands in his range he would play like this, yet this is how the betting went.

I thought about this for nearly 4 minutes, and finally went with the very high level thinking of 'fuck it I have a set, I call'. Button had been a bit bluffy for the last couple hours or so, so maybe many strong hands that he would normally bet he would check hoping the button would stab at it and I wouldn't give it any credibility. You guys have any thoughts on this? I'm getting a bit better than 3-1 on my call.



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YoMeR   United States. Feb 11 2015 08:12. Posts 12342

seems like a standard call for 200bb after how the action went down. 96ss or 64ss comes to mind that could check this board but besides those hands i don't think he's checking anything. call it off fuck him he have outs vs those

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JohnnyBologna   United States. Feb 11 2015 14:35. Posts 1384

slight possibility he might have 5 3 : D then you would hate life.

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HungarianGOD   . Feb 11 2015 15:48. Posts 405

Yomer, I agree it's possible he had 96 or 64 with the flush draw. Would still somewhat surprise me that he checked the straight, but with the flush draw too his hand is certainly less vulnerable. It's an odd situation where he can only have like 2 or 3 different combos of hands.

Because his range is so ridiculously narrowed in my mind I don't know if I would agree there is a 'slight possibility he might have 53'. It in fact might be a 100% chance he has 53ss here. I have no idea what the probability is that he has that.


JohnnyBologna   United States. Feb 12 2015 06:27. Posts 1384

so i guessed it right? -_-

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traxamillion   United States. Feb 13 2015 06:16. Posts 10242

its a clear shove

his flat/jam is not nuts


HungarianGOD   . Feb 13 2015 06:37. Posts 405

What could it be do you think? From my perspective, his range is a null set. Yet bet like that he did.


traxamillion   United States. Feb 13 2015 08:05. Posts 10242

2pair some combodraws like 910ss A2ss

 Last edit: 13/02/2015 08:08

traxamillion   United States. Feb 13 2015 08:07. Posts 10242

would be pretty weird/bad for villain to check a set on that flop don't you think? What makes you think he is heavy on sets; I don't think he has many sets or straights tbh


HungarianGOD   . Feb 13 2015 16:00. Posts 405

I said I think it is impossible for him to have 2-pair, with the possible exception of 53s. It also might be impossible for him to have a set; I certainly don't think he's 'heavy on sets'. That said, there is absolutely no reason to jam with a combo draw when the button already went in, I think that's like the worst possible way to play a combo draw. You have no fold-equity, and if I actually make the call, he has only the river to improve his hand.

So let's say he has 0 draws, 0 sets, and 2 combinations of two pair (53s), and maybe one combination of a combo draw (67s). He would usually not play a straight like this, but some small % of the time he might, and there are a lot more straight combos. Maybe 96ss and 64ss where he is less vulnerable to the flush draws. I guess if his range truly is just these 5 hands, it's a very easy call.


Rapoza   Brasil. Feb 15 2015 04:07. Posts 1611


  On February 13 2015 05:16 traxamillion wrote:
its a clear shove

his flat/jam is not nuts

+1
looks a lot like nut fd or pair + draw type.

If i decided to slowplay a set in villains shoes, i would raise your turn bet because i already gave a chance for BTN to bet and he didnt. So we cant expect him to squeeze and its very likely he either has a draw or air, would be absurd imo to just call in such a wet board unless villain believes you are a spew bluff monkey.

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HungarianGOD   . Feb 15 2015 04:17. Posts 405

I don't understand the logic of him doing this with a draw. Why would you ever do this with a draw when the button is already allin? Unless it is a combo draw that simultaneously has showdown value against the button who jammed and fold equity against me (which is like no hands), I don't get why he would do that

 Last edit: 16/02/2015 05:43

traxamillion   United States. Feb 16 2015 07:08. Posts 10242

u saw the showdown right? what happened?

Just because it might not be logical to do something doesn't mean a player won't still do it; and i could see some justifications he might come up with for shoving. Generally its a good way to think when playing someone pretty smart to eliminate possibilities based on whether they are good plays or not because a good opponent is more likely to make the good play. It isn't a rule though. People also make rash decisions in big pots sometimes like he might just not want to play a river vs you who knows


HungarianGOD   . Feb 16 2015 15:41. Posts 405

Results: He had 5s9s (which I didn't know for sure was in his PF raising range). Then I sucked out with a 5 on the river even though the button had 87 <_< And yes, button is bad.


AndrewSong    United States. Feb 17 2015 09:06. Posts 2334

Five of spade is interesting card to hide under his sleeves. Usually ppl tend to bring aces.


HungarianGOD   . Feb 17 2015 17:04. Posts 405

lol Andrew

CORRECTION: villain had

6s9s

Sorry for the typo


traxamillion   United States. Feb 19 2015 21:08. Posts 10242

Can be hard to put people on ranges when their line makes little sense. Both players took weak lines for value. 69ss is the one value hand he might play this slow because he can still improve to a flush but I guess he doesn't realize what a mistake that is since he makes a ton more money off that nut straight itself. If he improves to a flush he gets less action and loses more often.

Maybe he just wanted to see if he would hit the 7s for the straight flush


fira   United States. Mar 05 2015 07:09. Posts 6199

yeah that is a sick spot... only hands u beat are 53s and maybe 73s if hes playing those

i don't think i'd be able to lay it down tho, unless villain was super nit

edit: i dont get why ppl say he could have any kind of combodraw... seems like obv move for combodraw is to call. if he shoves combodraw and we fold, he still has to hit in order to win anything at all. typical side-pot spot where theres no reason to bluff. why would he EVER do this with AXs?? that just seems completely terrible. he misses the chance to stack your flush draw or w/e when river hits spade, at the same time risks pot+ for what? ... cmon

seize the dayLast edit: 05/03/2015 07:13

nolan   Ireland. Mar 07 2015 20:36. Posts 6185

if he's opening that wide i'm probably folding 33 preflop given the fishes 50bb stack size.

but i'm a nit so w/e.

On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalidLast edit: 07/03/2015 20:37

HungarianGOD   . Mar 08 2015 01:04. Posts 405


  On March 07 2015 19:36 nolan wrote:
if he's opening that wide i'm probably folding 33 preflop given the fishes 50bb stack size.

but i'm a nit so w/e.



I'm not following... Why would you fold 33 preflop for a single raise in a multiway pot when the aggressor has 200 bbs, just because he is opening wide? Seems like a good scenario to set mine.


 



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