Gunmen have attacked the Paris office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people and injuring seven, French officials say.
Two police officers died as well from the shooting that happened outside.
Apparently there is a huge operation going on now to catch them, not much comments on motives now besides those two hints:
- The magazine was fire-bombed in November 2011 a day after it carried a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad.
- The latest tweet on Charlie Hebdo's account was a cartoon of the Islamic State militant group leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
Edit 5: (13:44) 12 deaths now, attackers still at large.
Edit 6: President Hollande will address the nation at 20:00 local time. French president and ministers will meet in 15 minutes from now.
Edit 7: White House condemns attack 'in strongest possible terms'
Edit 8: Jens Stoltenberg, secretary general of the NATO and former PM of Norway (also during the Oslo/Utøya attack) tweets: "My full solidarity with our ally #France following outrageous attack on press freedom. My thoughts are with the victims & their families."
Edit 9: Attackers have been heard saying 'they came to revenge the prophet', say eyewitnesses.
Edit 10: French PM Francois Hollande just tweeted: "Aucun acte barbare ne saura jamais éteindre la liberté de la presse. Nous sommes un pays unis qui saura réagir et faire bloc." - "No barbaric act will never extinguish the freedom of the press. We are a united country that will react and unite and help each other".
Edit 12: (13:58 local) The anti-terrorism plan 'Vigipirate' is in effect on the highest level. This means heavy police presence and military police with machine guns at all major stations and squares, and so on. Last time I remember this level was in effect was after 9/11.
Edit 13: (14:02 local) Police say: "The attackers spoke of "the prophet" and shouted "Allah Akbar". They are still on the run and actively sought by police. Their car was found in Pantin (Seine-Saint-Denis). Their identity or their possible link with any organization is not known." http://i.imgur.com/lnCsv5i.jpg
Edit 14: Stéphane Charbonnier, main editor of Charlie Hebo, is said to be among the deceased .
Edit 15: Political leaders from around the world are expressing their compassion and horror. I will stop quoting them all here from now on. Among them German PM Merkel, President of the EU Jean-Claude Juncker.
Edit 15: (14:09) @soren_seelow: Charb, Cabu, Wolinski et Tignous have died in the attack, sources inside police say.
Edit 16: (14:18) taking a break, tearing up, going to open a good bottle of French wine. Back in ten.
There are 3000 policemen on the streets now. Three terrorist are sought after.
Edit 17: (14:26) corrected #14, deceased not diseased, sorry not a native speaker.
Edit 18: There's nothing anybody can do now, but the hashtag action #JeSuisCharlie is probably taking off (I don't know much about using Twitter)
Edit 19: (14:31) All public transport stations but also the main shopping centers are being guarded. There are still three idiots with a rocket launcher out there.
To those gilding this post: really, it's only out of my own frustration I'm doing this. I do appreciate the gesture however.
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MadeInPolanD Poland. Jan 07 2015 08:54. Posts 1383
dont let them enter European countries, simple as that
Absolutely horrible. I hope they're caught quickly. The video with the policeman holding up his hand is so brutal.
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
I'm not familiar with that newspaper but there is no fucking way they deserved this. Those people are all idiots. That policeman certainly didn't deserve it and neither will others who may die or be injured capturing the suspects.
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jan 07 2015 11:38. Posts 2225
"Sooner or later you had to pay for your caricatures" unbelievable fucking imbecile
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Minsk United States. Jan 07 2015 13:17. Posts 1558
I like to think of these situations as me relatively benefiting from the stupidity of mankind.
Thing that look obvious to me:
how a small car can leave paris like that, trust me paris is always bloked by traffic jam, at 11am maybe a little less but it is the first day of sales so there are a lot of traffic jam... and there are cops everywhere and paris is filled with cameras...
The police clearly let them go and are "following" their moves in hope to catch a little bigger fish.
Seriously this is a bad day, if the muslim community doesnt do anything and just keep saying stuff like "we are sorry blabla" and do nothing else it will turn pretty bad. I feel so much anger and hate right now.
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traxamillion United States. Jan 07 2015 15:19. Posts 10468
Take Solace in the fact that 100,00s of thousands of muslims will now die because of this. The people in power in EU, Israeli, and especially US government/military/position hate Muslims even if they can't openly admit it. They are old white christian men. Fairly obvious by our policy and conduct the last 100 years not to mention what goes on behind the scenes. This will be used as an excuse for some military action somewhere or sanction type shit to starve them. Public opinion sways further towards Fuck them. Probably launching all kinds of missiles and attacks on Muslim targets right now in retaliation in IRaq and Syria.
Islam is a delusional disease of a belief.
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Silver_nz New Zealand. Jan 07 2015 15:55. Posts 5647
#KillAllMuslims was trending on twitter. okay, maybe not the smartest tag, but people are entitled to speak. But Twitter has censored and removed the tag. Horrifying that communication is not free and open.
French media say police have identified the three gunmen
Posted at 20:29
Le Monde reports that police sources have said that the three gunmen have been identified.
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
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NMcNasty United States. Jan 07 2015 18:21. Posts 2039
On January 07 2015 14:55 Silver_nz wrote:
#KillAllMuslims was trending on twitter. okay, maybe not the smartest tag, but people are entitled to speak. But Twitter has censored and removed the tag. Horrifying that communication is not free and open.
You're mad that a hashtag encouraging genocide was censored?
Some of the comments in this thread are as bad as the ones supporting the shootings.
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traxamillion United States. Jan 07 2015 19:02. Posts 10468
pretty sure genocide is wiping out a racial population; not a religious group. Trying to shut down a retarded belief is not the same is trying to shut down a certain color of people or some other basis on which we judge people that is intrinsic upon birth. religion is not.
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traxamillion United States. Jan 07 2015 19:03. Posts 10468
and yes nothing should be censored. If people want to be racist and hateful that is their right.
On January 07 2015 14:19 traxamillion wrote:
Take Solace in the fact that 100,00s of thousands of muslims will now die because of this. The people in power in EU, Israeli, and especially US government/military/position hate Muslims even if they can't openly admit it. They are old white christian men. Fairly obvious by our policy and conduct the last 100 years not to mention what goes on behind the scenes. This will be used as an excuse for some military action somewhere or sanction type shit to starve them. Public opinion sways further towards Fuck them. Probably launching all kinds of missiles and attacks on Muslim targets right now in retaliation in IRaq and Syria.
Islam is a delusional disease of a belief.
They are not christians, they ridicule christianity and all religions, pushing for a one world religion uniting all of them. Catholicism has always been a false front of christianity and the vatican is a power base along with others. I'm not pushing for some christian sect before people get their panties in a bunch, they probably believe themselves to be god and are more transhumanists/ satanists/ esotericists. They fund all sides and create havoc. They are going to attempt to build 'utopia' out of the ashes because they know best how to run the world.
If you look at christianity today you will see the falseness in all of them it is a deeply infiltrated religion they are just getting weirder and weirder.
They created the chaos and it´s working. They know what multiculturalism leads to especially with the volatility of religion, yes they want people to hate Islam but I think there might be more to it.
(I´ll take the ban)
I think that more might be pointing at all the chaos and providing the solution in a form of feel good, unite all cultures possibly ban religion or you join a sort of state thing of unity and you can be any religion, then prepare for a second coming.
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YoMeR United States. Jan 07 2015 22:32. Posts 12435
On January 07 2015 14:55 Silver_nz wrote:
#KillAllMuslims was trending on twitter. okay, maybe not the smartest tag, but people are entitled to speak. But Twitter has censored and removed the tag. Horrifying that communication is not free and open.
You're mad that a hashtag encouraging genocide was censored?
Some of the comments in this thread are as bad as the ones supporting the shootings.
QFT...ppl on the other side of the coin fail to realise that what they say are equally retarded and ignorant.
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
On January 07 2015 14:55 Silver_nz wrote:
#KillAllMuslims was trending on twitter. okay, maybe not the smartest tag, but people are entitled to speak. But Twitter has censored and removed the tag. Horrifying that communication is not free and open.
You're mad that a hashtag encouraging genocide was censored?
Some of the comments in this thread are as bad as the ones supporting the shootings.
Problem is they think they aren't cause they re white and not praying on a carpet, pretty retarded
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TimDawg United States. Jan 08 2015 00:01. Posts 10197
On January 07 2015 14:19 traxamillion wrote:
Take Solace in the fact that 100,00s of thousands of muslims will now die because of this. The people in power in EU, Israeli, and especially US government/military/position hate Muslims even if they can't openly admit it. They are old white christian men. Fairly obvious by our policy and conduct the last 100 years not to mention what goes on behind the scenes. This will be used as an excuse for some military action somewhere or sanction type shit to starve them. Public opinion sways further towards Fuck them. Probably launching all kinds of missiles and attacks on Muslim targets right now in retaliation in IRaq and Syria.
Islam is a delusional disease of a belief.
I just stopped at - "take solace in 100's of thousands Muslims will die
(does it make any difference if we insert Christians/Atheists/ect in that blank)
wtf is wrong with you?
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Jan 08 2015 00:04. Posts 5296
It was John Stuart Mill who popularized the idea that if someone has grotesque views/ideas, the way to get to a society where those views no longer exist is by rational discussion with them, rather than silencing them through punishment.
I read about whats happening in Europe, and there has been a big resurgence in rightwing anti-islam protests. If you disagree with them, argue with them. And their beleifs will eventually go away if you win the argument.
However, today people misunderstand freedom of speech and loudness of speech. For example complaining that someone gets fired from the mediafor drawing racist caricatures of Muslims, this is merely reducing that persons loudness of speech down to the level of the other 99% of the population. Putting them in jail for it, on the other hand would be seriously wrong.
Also, the media will only hire people with certain viewpoints, elevating the loudness of speech for someone, but reducing it for others who would never make it into the media because their views are too rational, and they are not obedient enough to be a valued columnist. When the tiniest attack on someones privilege to talk that fits into the framework of the medias acceptable discussion, then the media will get indignant about how the values of freedom of speech are being attacked. But when others who have something extremely important to say are silenced their whole lives, the media doesn't give a dam.
All western countries have a high degree of freedom of speech, it's just that the loudness of speech is given only to those that have certain views.
As for France, the country has some of the worst freedom of speech record in any western country. If someone made racist caricatures about jews and the holocaust they would be in jail. For example Robert Fraussian (cant spell his name) was a holocaust denier and got put in jail. But for someone to incite islamaphobia is encouraged by the french media. It's total hypocrisy.
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TimDawg United States. Jan 08 2015 00:06. Posts 10197
on a different note, I saw this image from France tweeted today:
online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball
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traxamillion United States. Jan 08 2015 01:16. Posts 10468
On January 07 2015 14:55 Silver_nz wrote:
#KillAllMuslims was trending on twitter. okay, maybe not the smartest tag, but people are entitled to speak. But Twitter has censored and removed the tag. Horrifying that communication is not free and open.
You're mad that a hashtag encouraging genocide was censored?
Some of the comments in this thread are as bad as the ones supporting the shootings.
QFT...ppl on the other side of the coin fail to realise that what they say are equally retarded and ignorant.
The thing is i'm obviously fully aware that what i'm saying you would consider to be retarded and ignorant; that is the point. But you can't say it is two sides of a coin because I couldn't care less if muslim extremists wanted to make racist barbs or say mean things, I care that they slaughter innocent people. I care that they revel in the deaths of terror victims and have a fundamentally misguided and destructive view of the world.
I say over the top things half trolling to get a response and if you realize my first statement was a response to a poster before me feeling helpless about being unable to do anything to help or fight or avenge these people. So I merely pointed out what is going to happen to the Islamic people in that region in retaliation for these attacks.
Suspect in custody, BBC reporting that the attack isn't related to yesterday.
Even if it isn't related, pretty nutty to have two shootouts with automatic weapons in France over the course of 24 hours. France 24 has a livestream going on youtube about it now.
On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalid
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jan 08 2015 03:44. Posts 4080
well they certainly arent wasting their time on new years resolutions. world full of drama atm
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On January 08 2015 02:59 Highcard wrote:
for centuries there have been terrorist attacks, i wonder how the populace was affected without the instant social media we have today.
Reminds me of this quote from Dan Carlin about the murder of Franz Ferdinand:
Often, it's not the terrorist act that changes the world, it's the response of the victims that does. -Dan Carlin
I wonder if one day, after an event like this one, social media will snowball an emotional overraction so hard it will trigger a genocide by itself.
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austrian oak Belgium. Jan 09 2015 11:37. Posts 520
Wp france
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YoMeR United States. Jan 09 2015 15:35. Posts 12435
On January 08 2015 06:19 whamm! wrote:
but the crusades was much, much worse. and the old testament if fucked up as well.
people throughout history have used ideology as a means to justifiy mass murder...Religion...racism...nationalism etc etc.
They are all equally dangerous and stupid if put in the wrong hands. But a lot of those ideas at it's core (Communism, Islam, Christianity etc) are all great on paper.
It's just humans can twist and corrupt pure ideals for their own agenda/greed whatever. And shit like these mass terrorist attacks are the result. Really sad and fucked up. But comments like "kill muslims" is incredibly stupid. And anyone spouting that stuff seriously needs a serious reality check. As they are also going down that dumb path of violence just like those Muslim extremists. They are just on the other side. And happened to have lucked out and born into a nice stable environment without extreme poverty and oppression. Thus less likely to take extremest ideology to the max and act upon it. Then those kids sit there with those ideas and say the same shit the terrorists are saying..tilting no doubt.
Forum thinking level going down hard.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jan 09 2015 15:42. Posts 6374
The thing is we re living in a "the hunger games"-like world, except people laugh at that crap and completely disregard it . The only thing violence does is cause more violence and more hatred which is a never ending cycle
It also shows how Japan is far more supreme than any other nation in the world mentally using propaganda for good i.e. animes preaching exactly the statement above. No wonder they appear as such a weird and closed-off society to us
Nothing will change as long as people like dogmeat continue living in a fantasy world though, its hard breaking through an illusion meant to make you believe you built it yourself
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jan 09 2015 19:55. Posts 6374
On January 09 2015 18:31 Spitfiree wrote:
The thing is we re living in a "the hunger games"-like world, except people laugh at that crap and completely disregard it . The only thing violence does is cause more violence and more hatred which is a never ending cycle
It also shows how Japan is far more supreme than any other nation in the world mentally using propaganda for good i.e. animes preaching exactly the statement above. No wonder they appear as such a weird and closed-off society to us
Nothing will change as long as people like dogmeat continue living in a fantasy world though, its hard breaking through an illusion meant to make you believe you built it yourself
Though it is said that Ethnic Japanese make up 98.5% of the total population and that the rest are Koreans 0.5%, Chinese 0.4%, other 0.6%,[1] in fact these numbers are not known. The Ministry of Justice in Japan conflates nationality with ethnicity, and they have no official data on the actual ethnic breakdown of people in Japan.[2]
China consider them as a big longtime problem
Those bloody crazy88 sword weilding gangs who slashed and killed around over 100 people last time in the subway
They also beat up random chinamen when they get the chance
Not surprised. I am not a fan of any religion, and the extremists are a bunch of crazy people ok, but the consent of muslim population towards violent acts really kills me inside. They feel like they are in a perpetual state of war with the west and their mission will not end until islam is the only religion in the world (according to the quran). It's ridicolous really.
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Jan 10 2015 03:06. Posts 5296
when ideologies are adopted by superpowers they are preached, but the ideology is not practiced.
If jesus came back to earth during the Renaissance, the spanish inquisition would have tortured him for spreading christian values.
When lenin, trotsky and stalin adopted so called 'socialism', they didn't live in a country with equal wealth, or equal values, rather it was a form of state tyranny. The vanguard party had enormous wealth compared to the rest of the population.
The same goes for democracy, it was a hated concept by elites until president Andrew Jackson realized he could adopt the term and exploit it in his electoral campaign because it appealed to the masses. It has similar parallels with how Lenin exploited the word socialism.
As for todays era, free and competitive markets are preached by friedman and hayek, but we are living period with the most monopolized capital in human history.
The western media couldn't give a dam about womens rights in the middle east. Otherwise they would give media coverage about how savagely women are treated in India. Obviously that wont happen because India is an ally with the west-naming itself a so-called 'democracy.' Saudi Arabia is also a western ally and has the worst treatment of women anywhere.
As for Japan, they had similar religious stats when they invaded china, and committed the most unimaginable war crimes that made the nazis look like ghandi. (eating chinese people while they were still alive, raping women 50 times a day and cutting their limbs off without anesthetic for medical experimentation).
The world is a lot more complex than just 'violent' and 'non violent' religions. You have to analyze the institutions relation to a religion.
And the most violent and destructive religion in the world at the moment is free market fundamentalism, because the religion is supported by western state and corporate power. many dictatorships have been imposed in the name of those values, starting with augusto pinochet in chile.
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
Did you really try to justify the process of work/progress of a whole nation with a single religion chart ?
Have to be really gullible to take that as a solid argument
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jan 10 2015 08:54. Posts 6374
why did you ignore my quote? there always will be conflicts when different cultures meet. add violent ideologies like marxism, islam and nacism and things escalate quickly. its about time ppl realised that and start treating muslims accordingly. if you think hitler war right or muhammad was a great person, you are a fcking retard, no exceptions
On January 09 2015 18:31 Spitfiree wrote:
The thing is we re living in a "the hunger games"-like world, except people laugh at that crap and completely disregard it . The only thing violence does is cause more violence and more hatred which is a never ending cycle
It also shows how Japan is far more supreme than any other nation in the world mentally using propaganda for good i.e. animes preaching exactly the statement above. No wonder they appear as such a weird and closed-off society to us
Nothing will change as long as people like dogmeat continue living in a fantasy world though, its hard breaking through an illusion meant to make you believe you built it yourself
hopefully this is tongue-in-cheek and you're not actually suggesting the japanese government use animes as a propaganda machine for moralising the population
also have you actually been to japan? they're very advanced in some aspects but also extremely backward in others, e.g. womens' rights and equality of opportunity, conservative hierarchical social and corporate structures, sexualisation of minors, extreme xenophobia.
also japan might be an advanced country for now due to its postwar economic miracle but it's a ticking timebomb. that country is going to have massive problems in our lifetime due to extreme fiscal indebtedness, declining population and inverted pyramid demographics.
On January 08 2015 06:19 whamm! wrote:
but the crusades was much, much worse. and the old testament if fucked up as well.
and we have learned nothing
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chris United States. Jan 10 2015 10:42. Posts 5503
On January 10 2015 02:06 Stroggoz wrote:
when ideologies are adopted by superpowers they are preached, but the ideology is not practiced.
If jesus came back to earth during the Renaissance, the spanish inquisition would have tortured him for spreading christian values.
When lenin, trotsky and stalin adopted so called 'socialism', they didn't live in a country with equal wealth, or equal values, rather it was a form of state tyranny. The vanguard party had enormous wealth compared to the rest of the population.
The same goes for democracy, it was a hated concept by elites until president Andrew Jackson realized he could adopt the term and exploit it in his electoral campaign because it appealed to the masses. It has similar parallels with how Lenin exploited the word socialism.
As for todays era, free and competitive markets are preached by friedman and hayek, but we are living period with the most monopolized capital in human history.
The western media couldn't give a dam about womens rights in the middle east. Otherwise they would give media coverage about how savagely women are treated in India. Obviously that wont happen because India is an ally with the west-naming itself a so-called 'democracy.' Saudi Arabia is also a western ally and has the worst treatment of women anywhere.
As for Japan, they had similar religious stats when they invaded china, and committed the most unimaginable war crimes that made the nazis look like ghandi. (eating chinese people while they were still alive, raping women 50 times a day and cutting their limbs off without anesthetic for medical experimentation).
The world is a lot more complex than just 'violent' and 'non violent' religions. You have to analyze the institutions relation to a religion.
And the most violent and destructive religion in the world at the moment is free market fundamentalism, because the religion is supported by western state and corporate power. many dictatorships have been imposed in the name of those values, starting with augusto pinochet in chile.
nice post
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LikeASet United States. Jan 10 2015 14:13. Posts 2113
However, these terrorists are willing to go to war and die for their faith and the reward of everlasting life with a bunch of young virgins. Question is are these same people willing to kill and die for just their cause/country alone without their Islamic faith? One of the main differences between Christianity and Islam is that sure you can take some quotes from Jesus and use them for violence, but overall he is known as a martyr who turned himself in to the authorities and let himself be executed for our sins (whether this is true or makes logical sense is besides the point), whereas Mohammad is known as a brute warrior.
Also another thought experiment would you want to live in an alternate universe where the U.S. had a majority Islamic population and middle east a majority Christian population? World might be better or worst, I don't know.
Anybody who blames Islam for what those guys did in France, or what any radical does in the "name" of Islam is an idiot.
The worst thing you can do as a Muslim is kill someone. Not God, not prophet Muhammad, not the Quran, nobody told these guys to shoot anyone, Allah doesn't need you to protect him.
Any real Muslim felt saddened by the events just like any normal person, and I, and my family felt extremely angered that they would use our beautiful religion to condone their acts of brutal savagery.
Another sad note will be the pain, and possible death innocent people will face in the future due to the actions of these people.
I am grateful everyday, I have lived a long and so far prosperous life, and I have seen some shit, and I have been abused over the internet, and in person; believe me when I tell you, hating someone is very easy, it is those that succumb to this hate that go and hurt innocents. I believe attributing these guys to Islam is like attributing the actions of the psychotic Anders Breivik to Europe, or Norway or Christianity. It is illogical, and some of you, I'm sorry to say, may come from countries, cultures, or backgrounds who support ignorant views similar to those of the shooters, and it is this type of ignorance which continues to the spin the wheel of ignorance, hate, and pain which when it spins out of control hurls its power and ugliness into innocent people with sad and devastating results.
Rip to those who died, and my condolences to their families.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jan 10 2015 15:23. Posts 6374
On January 10 2015 14:13 Stat.Quo wrote:
Anybody who blames Islam for what those guys did in France, or what any radical does in the "name" of Islam is an idiot.
The worst thing you can do as a Muslim is kill someone. Not God, not prophet Muhammad, not the Quran, nobody told these guys to shoot anyone, Allah doesn't need you to protect him.
Any real Muslim felt saddened by the events just like any normal person, and I, and my family felt extremely angered that they would use our beautiful religion to condone their acts of brutal savagery.
Another sad note will be the pain, and possible death innocent people will face in the future due to the actions of these people.
I am grateful everyday, I have lived a long and so far prosperous life, and I have seen some shit, and I have been abused over the internet, and in person; believe me when I tell you, hating someone is very easy, it is those that succumb to this hate that go and hurt innocents. I believe attributing these guys to Islam is like attributing the actions of the psychotic Anders Breivik to Europe, or Norway or Christianity. It is illogical, and some of you, I'm sorry to say, may come from countries, cultures, or backgrounds who support ignorant views similar to those of the shooters, and it is this type of ignorance which continues to the spin the wheel of ignorance, hate, and pain which when it spins out of control hurls its power and ugliness into innocent people with sad and devastating results.
Rip to those who died, and my condolences to their families.
soberstone United States. Jan 10 2015 16:53. Posts 2662
The French government are such a bunch of fucking pussies. You let extremist Muslims come in and set-up 124 'No-Go' zones where you won't send in your police, anti-terror intelligence, or anything, for fear of confrontation, and let them implement their own Sharia Law governments and societies, and then want to act surprised when these vile pieces of trash come in and, funded directly by Al-Queda, kill a bunch of people over a cartoon. What a joke. And what makes me sad is the US Gov. is doubling down on it's new wave of pussy policy via Obama and liberal nut-jobs in denial of the reality of the world. Fuck Islamic extremists. Kill them all.
I'm not saying they are perfect at all, i'm merely saying their state of consciousness as a whole as a nation is just years ahead. They're tearing out hatred/fear out of people, they think in ways of deeds being optimal in long term progress and good for the nation. Not saying they re purposely using propaganda in animes, but its become a part of the culture, to eradicate hatred/fear in ways where you acknowledge it and use it for good, not just ignore it just as the majority of us. There s much work to be done in terms of women rights there, but there are is much to learn about the same in the West as well, the West is quite hypocritical considering that topic.Apart from that i'm not quite educated enough on the theme about their overall economical state and such
@dogmeat
The very fact that you label islam as violent is enough for me to completely ignore the rest of your post. I'm not even that well-read on the topic, but such ignorance beats even me. Anyways i still read it, you base your argument on people fighting over different points of view, which is partly true however very debatable and completely out of topic. As I've already said "terrorists" don't just blindly think "oh these guys don't like Allah i should go kill them", they were living under constant pressure and fear of death from bombing,starvation,plain brutality,etc. by the western countries, they are practically living in their homelands under the governance of someone completely unknown to them, who is militarily superior and wants the resources of their lands, they are seeing the same things happen to their closest friends and family. Excuse me if I think that I myself would go and blow random brains out if i went through something like that. Of course that same group of people end up terrorizing the very people they originally claimed to defend which is fucking ridiculous, but that's bound to happen when someone intellectually dominant sees and opportunity and exploits the mass. That's the first kind of "Terrorist" organizations. The second are organizations funded by those very military superior nations used for geopolitical war, don't believe me ? Start researching the topic, or if you are too lazy watch a 5.5hrs movie series http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1321865/?ref_=nv_sr_1 director is speculating with many of the conversation of the movie, but the global idea is real and he did a tremendous research on Carlos and how his "nobel" cause is actually led by different world powers to serve their own interests
On January 10 2015 15:53 soberstone wrote:
Fuck Islamic extremists. Kill them all.
You seem like the kind of person who if your government says they want to go to war with another Mid-east country, due to "terrorists", would blindly say "fuck yeah its about time". Well played american media, well played
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soberstone United States. Jan 10 2015 18:36. Posts 2662
I say "Fuck Islamic Extremists, kill them all" and you disagree. Seems like a pretty obvious sentiment to have at this point. I didn't say fuck Muslims. I said fuck Islamic Extremists. Does anyone disagree besides old Spitfiree here?
You live in Bulgaria, what do you know about the American Media Spitfiree? The American Media is very liberal, Anti-Israel, and Islamist-apologetic for the most part, spare Fox News.
I especially love this quote from you: "As I've already said "terrorists" don't just blindly think "oh these guys don't like Allah i should go kill them", they were living under constant pressure and fear of death from bombing,starvation,plain brutality,etc. by the western countries, they are practically living in their homelands under the governance of someone completely unknown to them, who is militarily superior and wants the resources of their lands, they are seeing the same things happen to their closest friends and family."
That is such a fucking joke. You clearly know nothing. Look up what the manifesto of Isis, Al-Queda, and other terrorist organizations is and then get back to me you fucking moron. Their manifesto is literally to kill or convert all non-believers and install an Islamic worldwide Caliphate. How is this arguable? Just LISTEN TO THEM!
And to the part about bombing, starvation, plain brutality, etc by Western Countries.... this is so laughable. It's not Western Countries that impose this shit on people, it's Islamist regimes that gas their own people, kill their own people, bomb their own people. You are so brainwashed. Eww.
On January 10 2015 14:13 Stat.Quo wrote:
Anybody who blames Islam for what those guys did in France, or what any radical does in the "name" of Islam is an idiot.
The worst thing you can do as a Muslim is kill someone. Not God, not prophet Muhammad, not the Quran, nobody told these guys to shoot anyone, Allah doesn't need you to protect him.
Any real Muslim felt saddened by the events just like any normal person, and I, and my family felt extremely angered that they would use our beautiful religion to condone their acts of brutal savagery.
Another sad note will be the pain, and possible death innocent people will face in the future due to the actions of these people.
I am grateful everyday, I have lived a long and so far prosperous life, and I have seen some shit, and I have been abused over the internet, and in person; believe me when I tell you, hating someone is very easy, it is those that succumb to this hate that go and hurt innocents. I believe attributing these guys to Islam is like attributing the actions of the psychotic Anders Breivik to Europe, or Norway or Christianity. It is illogical, and some of you, I'm sorry to say, may come from countries, cultures, or backgrounds who support ignorant views similar to those of the shooters, and it is this type of ignorance which continues to the spin the wheel of ignorance, hate, and pain which when it spins out of control hurls its power and ugliness into innocent people with sad and devastating results.
Rip to those who died, and my condolences to their families.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Islam is a violent religion and muslims are completely fine with murder.
Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves, and they have the obligation to defend it. The punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia law is capital punishment. This is because Muhammad said to kill whoever insults a prophet.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jan 10 2015 20:15. Posts 6374
I'm not saying they are perfect at all, i'm merely saying their state of consciousness as a whole as a nation is just years ahead. They're tearing out hatred/fear out of people, they think in ways of deeds being optimal in long term progress and good for the nation. Not saying they re purposely using propaganda in animes, but its become a part of the culture, to eradicate hatred/fear in ways where you acknowledge it and use it for good, not just ignore it just as the majority of us. There s much work to be done in terms of women rights there, but there are is much to learn about the same in the West as well, the West is quite hypocritical considering that topic.Apart from that i'm not quite educated enough on the theme about their overall economical state and such
@dogmeat
The very fact that you label islam as violent is enough for me to completely ignore the rest of your post. I'm not even that well-read on the topic, but such ignorance beats even me. Anyways i still read it, you base your argument on people fighting over different points of view, which is partly true however very debatable and completely out of topic. As I've already said "terrorists" don't just blindly think "oh these guys don't like Allah i should go kill them", they were living under constant pressure and fear of death from bombing,starvation,plain brutality,etc. by the western countries, they are practically living in their homelands under the governance of someone completely unknown to them, who is militarily superior and wants the resources of their lands, they are seeing the same things happen to their closest friends and family. Excuse me if I think that I myself would go and blow random brains out if i went through something like that. Of course that same group of people end up terrorizing the very people they originally claimed to defend which is fucking ridiculous, but that's bound to happen when someone intellectually dominant sees and opportunity and exploits the mass. That's the first kind of "Terrorist" organizations. The second are organizations funded by those very military superior nations used for geopolitical war, don't believe me ? Start researching the topic, or if you are too lazy watch a 5.5hrs movie series http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1321865/?ref_=nv_sr_1 director is speculating with many of the conversation of the movie, but the global idea is real and he did a tremendous research on Carlos and how his "nobel" cause is actually led by different world powers to serve their own interests
On January 10 2015 15:53 soberstone wrote:
Fuck Islamic extremists. Kill them all.
You seem like the kind of person who if your government says they want to go to war with another Mid-east country, due to "terrorists", would blindly say "fuck yeah its about time". Well played american media, well played
wat? terrorist from charlie were born in france, so wtf are you even sayin?
have you read quran and hadith? im sure you didnt so again, why are you even bothering me with you uneducated opinions?
ban baal
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FullBRing Philippines. Jan 10 2015 22:43. Posts 581
It is exactly this kind of retard ( soberstone, Cloud87 ) that scares me about what is going to happen next in France.
I mean when i am reading his uneducated and full of hate reactions to those events that are not even happening in his country, im quite worried about what is going to happen, and is happening in France now.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jan 10 2015 22:59. Posts 2225
On January 08 2015 06:19 whamm! wrote:
but the crusades was much, much worse. and the old testament if fucked up as well.
people throughout history have used ideology as a means to justifiy mass murder...Religion...racism...nationalism etc etc.
They are all equally dangerous and stupid if put in the wrong hands. But a lot of those ideas at it's core (Communism, Islam, Christianity etc) are all great on paper.
i have to agree very quickly with dogmeat, Abrahamic religions are terrible on paper
ideas are not equally dangerous. secular liberalism is just as dangerous as Islam? just as dangerous as fascism?
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
On January 10 2015 21:43 FullBRing wrote:
It is exactly this kind of retard ( soberstone, Cloud87 ) that scares me about what is going to happen next in France.
I mean when i am reading his uneducated and full of hate reactions to those events that are not even happening in his country, im quite worried about what is going to happen, and is happening in France now.
Well I could say the same about you. If you believe Islam is not brutal and dangerous you are uneducated and full of shit. Cultures are not equal. Religions are not equal. People are not equal. All we are supposed to have equal is rights and that's about it. You talk about education, but denying that some cultures are downright stupid for our age and dangerous is a symptom of deep ignorance.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jan 10 2015 23:49. Posts 6374
On January 10 2015 21:43 FullBRing wrote:
uneducated
hi bro, have you read quran and hadith? i believe you havent... and you should, good stuff
On January 10 2015 14:13 Stat.Quo wrote:
Anybody who blames Islam for what those guys did in France, or what any radical does in the "name" of Islam is an idiot.
The worst thing you can do as a Muslim is kill someone. Not God, not prophet Muhammad, not the Quran, nobody told these guys to shoot anyone, Allah doesn't need you to protect him.
Any real Muslim felt saddened by the events just like any normal person, and I, and my family felt extremely angered that they would use our beautiful religion to condone their acts of brutal savagery.
Another sad note will be the pain, and possible death innocent people will face in the future due to the actions of these people.
I am grateful everyday, I have lived a long and so far prosperous life, and I have seen some shit, and I have been abused over the internet, and in person; believe me when I tell you, hating someone is very easy, it is those that succumb to this hate that go and hurt innocents. I believe attributing these guys to Islam is like attributing the actions of the psychotic Anders Breivik to Europe, or Norway or Christianity. It is illogical, and some of you, I'm sorry to say, may come from countries, cultures, or backgrounds who support ignorant views similar to those of the shooters, and it is this type of ignorance which continues to the spin the wheel of ignorance, hate, and pain which when it spins out of control hurls its power and ugliness into innocent people with sad and devastating results.
Rip to those who died, and my condolences to their families.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Islam is a violent religion and muslims are completely fine with murder.
Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves, and they have the obligation to defend it. The punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia law is capital punishment. This is because Muhammad said to kill whoever insults a prophet.
Im quoting this, to save myself time "Peace and violence in the Qur'an and the life of the Prophet
All killing, fighting, war and even administration of law and order involve some type of violence. However, the "Wild Wild West" did not earn the United States a reputation for violence; the two World Wars - the most violent and the worst killings in human history - did not earn the West in general and Europe in particular a reputation for violence either. The virtual decimation of the Indian people in the United States did not make the country barbaric or uncivilized. The European colonization that ravaged, exploited and dehumanized various parts of Asia and Africa, including the Muslim world, did not make Europe any less civilized. The Spanish Inquisition and the Crusade did not make Christianity violent and barbaric. Even the organized torching of Muslims in India by a Hindu mob does not make Hinduism a burning example of violence and barbarism. Yet, these days there are people who would like to identify Islam and the Prophet Muhammad as violent or symbol of violence."
dogmeat Czech Republic. Jan 11 2015 01:38. Posts 6374
nice way to answer without actually adressing anything whats wrong with islam...
all these things happened and nobody is proud about them (most of your quote is exaggerated for bigger persuasive effect but i wont bother arguing with you, which is probably your goal )... on the other hand theres 1.5bil ppl worshipping murderer, thief and pedophile as their prophet.
On January 10 2015 14:13 Stat.Quo wrote:
Anybody who blames Islam for what those guys did in France, or what any radical does in the "name" of Islam is an idiot.
The worst thing you can do as a Muslim is kill someone. Not God, not prophet Muhammad, not the Quran, nobody told these guys to shoot anyone, Allah doesn't need you to protect him.
Any real Muslim felt saddened by the events just like any normal person, and I, and my family felt extremely angered that they would use our beautiful religion to condone their acts of brutal savagery.
Another sad note will be the pain, and possible death innocent people will face in the future due to the actions of these people.
I am grateful everyday, I have lived a long and so far prosperous life, and I have seen some shit, and I have been abused over the internet, and in person; believe me when I tell you, hating someone is very easy, it is those that succumb to this hate that go and hurt innocents. I believe attributing these guys to Islam is like attributing the actions of the psychotic Anders Breivik to Europe, or Norway or Christianity. It is illogical, and some of you, I'm sorry to say, may come from countries, cultures, or backgrounds who support ignorant views similar to those of the shooters, and it is this type of ignorance which continues to the spin the wheel of ignorance, hate, and pain which when it spins out of control hurls its power and ugliness into innocent people with sad and devastating results.
Rip to those who died, and my condolences to their families.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Islam is a violent religion and muslims are completely fine with murder.
Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves, and they have the obligation to defend it. The punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia law is capital punishment. This is because Muhammad said to kill whoever insults a prophet.
Im quoting this, to save myself time "Peace and violence in the Qur'an and the life of the Prophet
All killing, fighting, war and even administration of law and order involve some type of violence. However, the "Wild Wild West" did not earn the United States a reputation for violence; the two World Wars - the most violent and the worst killings in human history - did not earn the West in general and Europe in particular a reputation for violence either. The virtual decimation of the Indian people in the United States did not make the country barbaric or uncivilized. The European colonization that ravaged, exploited and dehumanized various parts of Asia and Africa, including the Muslim world, did not make Europe any less civilized. The Spanish Inquisition and the Crusade did not make Christianity violent and barbaric. Even the organized torching of Muslims in India by a Hindu mob does not make Hinduism a burning example of violence and barbarism. Yet, these days there are people who would like to identify Islam and the Prophet Muhammad as violent or symbol of violence."
So how does this relate to what I said? People do not decide for war, their leaders do. It's not written in my constitution that I have to conquer the world and make everybody else think as I do and obey my unreasonable laws. But guess what's written in the quran.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jan 11 2015 02:11. Posts 2225
well if it says that on islamicity.com it must be true
that quote puts me in the mind of the army guy from 28 days later
This is what I've seen in the four weeks since infection. People killing people. Which is much what I saw in the four weeks before infection, and the four weeks before that, and before that, and as far back as I care to remember. People killing people. Which to my mind, puts us in a state of normality right now.
he didn't know what he was talking about either
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jan 11 2015 02:36. Posts 6374
Arson attack at German paper that ran Charlie Hebdo cartoons
dogmeat I love how you try to solidify your arguments saying stuff you obviously haven't done yourself and stating facts that don't even matter. I'm done with this
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jan 11 2015 16:07. Posts 6374
good call, you only polluted the thread with your unfounded opinions on terrorism
ban baal
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TalentedTom Canada. Jan 12 2015 22:44. Posts 20070
On January 11 2015 00:38 dogmeat wrote:
nice way to answer without actually adressing anything whats wrong with islam...
there's a lot wrong with religion in general. Catholics used to do stupid shit 300+ years ago, today they are relatively tame. Islam is a younger religion, who seems to be going through the stupid shit phase, and currently on the world hotseat as a result. Although from what I've read (not much) it seems more oppressive then others, esp towards women, however thinking about it, catholics have oppressed women for a long time as well, esp pre 1900
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same
United States. Jan 07 2015 18:21. Posts 2039
