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TimDawg    United States. Feb 18 2014 22:12. Posts 10157

This hand is from a home game I play regularly that is 5/5 with just about everyone straddling to 10 on the button and a lot of the time 15-25. At this point, it's late and the game is 4 handed with myself, two solid players to my left and a weak player to my right. Another weak player has just quit and the game is probably about to break very soon.

Villain is one of the competent players. He has a primarily live background. He is pretty solid and aggressive post flop but plays too loose preflop. We've played a bunch together and he views me as solid and very capable of bluffing and/or getting tricky in certain spots. In this particular session, we played one hand where I opened from the HJ, a weak player flats from the button and he 3 bets from the SB. I ended up 4 bet bluffing smallish and folding when he 5bet me fairly big. That's really the only relevant hand I can remember playing vs him but I guess he didn't really seem to be getting out of line preflop vs me in particular this session.

Stacks:
Villain: $4,200ish
Hero: covers

Surprisingly there is no straddle this hand, so Villain opens the CO to $25 with the blinds $5/$5 (this is his standard opening size), the weak player folds the button and I 3bet from the SB to $110 withKh Ks

BB folds and Villain takes a decent amount of time thinking, then 4bets to $310

I consider 5betting pre but end up flatting...

Flop is

Kc 9c 4d

Pot: $625

I check, Villain thinks a good bit and bets $335

I call.

Turn

Kc 9c 4d 3h

I check, Villain checks back pretty quickly.

River

Kc 9c 4d 3h 3d

Pot: $1295

I think for awhile and bet $1120


I felt pretty lost on certain streets on what the best play would be versus his range. Preflop is definitely debatable. I think his range when he 4bets in that spot is like AA/KK for sure. Not totally sure if he ever flats AK/QQ but it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't 4bet those hands very often. He does have some % of bluffs pre but in this particular spot, I think with current reads he's not light that often. Hands he could 4bet bluff with pre would be like random suited connectors/one-two gap suited type hands/Axs and then sometimes KQ/KJ/AJ type hands (he probably flats these hands more often though.

The flop I feel is pretty standard. I block all top pair type hands, I want to rep a wider range, he perceives a c/r as super strong I think and I want to let him continue bluffing if he is. Leading just seems weird and I don't think I ever really lead in this type of spot.

The turn is pretty interesting I think. On this turn, I think he will check back a lot of his draws, air and sometimes pot control hands like QQ/JJ and maybe some Kx. I assumed he would be betting AA/AK on the turn most of the time. With him checking the turn so often, it seems like a decent spot to lead maybe? I'm not sure what my sizing would be and what other hands I would do it with though. I think if I take this route, I could c/r some rivers or just bet some as well and get him to make more mistakes.

The river I also was a bit confused. I thought a c/r would just look insanely strong so I decided to just bet really big hoping he thought I was trying to get him to fold out his turn pot control hands. I could see an argument for betting small to induce a raise as well but I don't think he would be the type of player to raise with bluffs/for value that often.

Anyway what do you guys think? Comments on all streets appreciated.

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NMcNasty    United States. Feb 18 2014 23:15. Posts 1800

5 betting pre and check raising flop are both standard of course. Just cuz u 5bet doesn't mean you have to get it in for 800 bbs.

CRing flop is obviously strong but is he really laying down AA or even AK or his big combo draws?

I hate c/c flop then donking this turn. It might be ok but it's just a play I hate.

As played I just bet river a normal amount. I don't think it really matters but when my hand is severely underrepped I like my bets to look routine.


mnj   United States. Feb 19 2014 00:40. Posts 3848

i think i would jizz in my pants on the flop


YoMeR   United States. Feb 19 2014 06:26. Posts 12344

Because of the reads you have on him with his insanely strong range here I think check/raise on flop is best...we need to build the pot a billion beebs deep with the nuts. and it's hard to do that OOP so let's pump it to 900 on flop. ~1200 or so on turn and ship river imo.

if he folds turn or river w AA/AK face up (lol live poker) then in future spots we can probably force him to muck strong hands deep as well. etc etc.

eZ Life. 

MezmerizePLZ    United States. Feb 19 2014 13:20. Posts 2568

ur play is fine and probably the best line IMO. I would go smaller on the river, around 800. 5betting pre and c/mr flop are considerations, but I wouldn't c/r the flop with this hand very often, would have to have a game time read


PoorUser    United States. Feb 20 2014 09:33. Posts 7342

would play the same but ~825 on river

Moneys gotta go in here 

TimDawg    United States. Mar 26 2014 02:01. Posts 10157

forgot to post results but...

he ended up tanking for a good 5+ min and calling with AA lol

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Rapoza   Brasil. Mar 26 2014 07:06. Posts 1611

Isnt overbet river a good option?

Given preflop play and his turn check, he might put you in AK that is trying to fold a split.

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GoldRush   United States. Apr 09 2014 15:25. Posts 1025

rapoza thats why he got a call lol.

this line is good, not stacking off 800bb deep pre, keep his bluff range in, i would be c/r'ing this board and looking to win stacks.

i'd c/r 355 to 945, bomb 1.25k turn jam riv


GoldRush   United States. Apr 09 2014 15:26. Posts 1025

im check raising a pretty wide range of clubs Kx, AAx, and bluffs that think hes FOS and theres 2bi in the pot so yah, c/r bet bet is by far the best line here imo postflop, pre perfect.


Fraser   Canada. Apr 13 2014 13:46. Posts 4605

I was never very good at deepstack poker, but it seems to suck that you're potentially getting stacked here on lots of low flops vs a 3 barrel all-in, but when your dream board hits you get less than half his stack.


TimDawg    United States. Apr 23 2014 19:53. Posts 10157


  On April 13 2014 12:46 Fraser wrote:
I was never very good at deepstack poker, but it seems to suck that you're potentially getting stacked here on lots of low flops vs a 3 barrel all-in, but when your dream board hits you get less than half his stack.


Yes, I was thinking exactly this after the hand. Live regs play a lot more pot control/nitty when super deep for most part it seems

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tehduper   Canada. Oct 28 2014 10:23. Posts 26


  On February 20 2014 08:33 PoorUser wrote:
would play the same but ~825 on river



that can't be right here. we have tons of bluffs and a very narrow range for value. a larger bet is more correct.


 





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