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HungarianGOD   . Jan 20 2014 23:04. Posts 407

Max buy-in is 100 bigblinds, so usually my stack is between 1-200 BBs. Game is 10-handed. From button or cutoff, in full-ring my standard raising range is approximately

2-bet range: A6+, 35s+, 34s+ Axs, K9s+ KJ+, 22+
3-bet range: AJ+, 45s+, Axs+, KQ+, 99+

First of all in a 10 handed game my 3 betting range might be a bit loose (and would be happy about feedback for that). However, I wanted a couple opinions about adjustments to the range based on there being weaker players. I think I'm 3-betting pretty light for 10-handed, and also have a very large portion of my 3-betting range being bluffing range (ie. the suited connectors and the suited aces).

Like many live players, most of these guys are quite bad and are calling my 3 bets with hands such as KJ and suited garbage because they really like seeing flops. They probably call too much on the flop as well and pay off more than they should, but I don't think they are making bad calls on the flop near to the same extent as they are making bad preflop calls. Because of this, I was thinking I should remove a lot of my 3-bet bluffing range since my 3-bets are being called more than they should, maybe take out half of my suited connectors and suited aces and move them to my late position calling range. Though it would be very exploitable, perhaps I should remove the bluffing portion of my range altogether unless I know for a fact I'm playing against opponents good enough to exploit that?

Anyway, do you think my standard late position ranges are too wide for 10-ring, and do you think such range adjustments would be +EV?

As always, thanks in advance for your feedback.

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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 21 2014 00:48. Posts 8567

your 2-bet range from CO/BTN doesn't look too loose, but it does look poorly formulated. listing "35s+ and KJ+" comparatively, you are way over-valuing low SC's/gappers and undervaluing hands that can make a decent top or middle pair. it's not necessarily that you can't open 35s from the BTN (it depends on the players i guess), but you should consider stuff like J9o, K8o, Q9o, etc. way higher value in those spots.

for your 3-bet range, it shouldn't be static without giving consideration to which position originally opens and how many callers there are.

but yes, if they are calling way too many 3-bets with crap and also calling too much on flop, then just 3-bet your value hands.

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HungarianGOD   . Jan 21 2014 12:54. Posts 407

Yeah, perhaps you are right about it the 2-bet range being poorly formulated. As for 3-betting range, I do give consideration to which position was initial raiser, I just didn't want to over-complicate the post.

As far as 2-betting goes, stuff like K8o seems super dangerous to me in a 10 handed game, because equal and slightly better kings seem just the kind of stuff people would be happy to limp-call with. Like, it seems with K8o I would really like to see people fold to my flop raise, but when it gets called it's harder to know where I'm at, and if I'm planning to take down the pot by stealing on a later street, I may as well do that with 35s instead since I have the possibility of flopping a huge made hand or a draw to semi bluff. Maybe K8 is better than I think it is. I feel uncomfortable raising with K8, and then betting a flopped king for value on a board that's not super wet. Maybe I would plan on bet flop, check turn, and decide river based on board/opponent bet sizing.


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 21 2014 13:44. Posts 8567

oh, i thought you were referring to the hands you raise from CO/BTN when the pot is unopened. if you're talking about when there's limpers then it is indeed a little different and should probably pass on the K8 Q9 type stuff (although if a loose player limps in CO or HJ or something without any other limpers, i would still iso with those hands).

in that case i think including stuff like 35s/45s is probably a bit too loose, but i don't have much experience with live fullring.

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YoMeR   United States. Jan 21 2014 21:07. Posts 12344

seems like your range is too loose in general. I'd tighten up significantly

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HungarianGOD   . Jan 22 2014 09:01. Posts 407

You think something more along the lines of this then for a 10-handed game? I just get kind of bored waiting for hands -_-

2-bet range: AT+, 45s+ Axs, KTs+ KQ, 22+
3-bet range: AQ+, 50% of 45s and Axs (so all black cards or something depending on day)+, TT+

And I would move AJ, KQ, and other half of suited connectors/aces into my late position flatting range if the pot was already opened


NMcNasty    United States. Jan 30 2014 14:52. Posts 1800

Live poker is so player dependent you really shouldn't have a fixed range at all. There are nits that won't even raise AQ or 99. Others might raise A2o from middle position.

Online you need ranges to make things easy for your brain while you're 8 tabling, but with live poker you'll have plenty of time and energy to treat each situation differently.


YoMeR   United States. Feb 03 2014 21:28. Posts 12344


  On January 22 2014 08:01 HungarianGOD wrote:
You think something more along the lines of this then for a 10-handed game? I just get kind of bored waiting for hands -_-

2-bet range: AT+, 45s+ Axs, KTs+ KQ, 22+
3-bet range: AQ+, 50% of 45s and Axs (so all black cards or something depending on day)+, TT+

And I would move AJ, KQ, and other half of suited connectors/aces into my late position flatting range if the pot was already opened



vs a table full of unknowns i'd probably construct a range something like this..

EP: 22+ AJs+ AQo+ TJs+ (might throw in some sooted connecters like T9s+ or even KTs if there's huge fish in the blinds/game is tight etc)

MP: 22+ 78s+ JTs+ A9s+

LP: 22+ 45s+ 87o+ A2s+ A5o+

btn range: generally top ~50% of hands...generally any 2 sooted cards that isn't like T2s...although i do open that sometimes vs nits.

sb vs bb range i'm pretty straight forward and tight unless again bb is some exploitable fish. (which is the case a huge %)

I'm sure i'm missing a few hands but this is a general ball park range. I'm probably a bit tighter in ep/UTG than what i listed here unless the game allows.

if you play much looser than this without good reason then you are probably being a spewbox.

If you construct a superior range than the table that's reasonably loose and not too crazy then you'll just probably end up crushing assuming you don't have huge tilt issues and decent postflop play.

eZ Life.Last edit: 03/02/2014 21:30

 





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