new series: True Detective

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2356777/?ref_=nv_sr_2



Main 2 characters are played by Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, names speak for themselves. Gloomy, dark and magnificent scenery with interesting and well made characters.
First I was worried, I dont need another serial killer bs with dexter, hannibal and the others. But this looks different. So far there are 2 eps out, I think they worth a watch. Wonder what you think.

Going to check it out later.
3 good 'investigation' movies:
-the secret in your eyes
-memories of murder
-mother (madeo)

last two movies are korean.

have watched first episode, was slow but very intriguing. feels like a good show to watch week to week rather than waiting to marathon. excited to watch 2nd episode later today.

to give you an idea, it reminds me of a much more realistic version of hannibal. going to be awesome

This show is the nuts

On January 20 2014 17:24 4TM wrote: This show is the nuts

+1

Amazing show, HBO delivers again

looks good .. downloading it thx for sharing

Pretty good so far.

HBO is in a league of its own when it comes to top tier TV shows.

definitely gonna watch this

boobs

awesome. It does remind me of hannibal

Matthew McConaughey is great

gotta agree with this, soo many good TV shows during the last 8 years or so. http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jan/15/billy-bob-thornton-tv-movies-fargo

Thanks for the recommendation. Show seems awesome so far.

sherlock is the only true detective!!

Really like it.

It really does remind of Hannibal which pisses me off since Hannibal was fucking terrible plot-wise, sophisticating it to the point where it was completely illogical

GOAT tits episode 2

On January 21 2014 17:18 Daut wrote: GOAT tits episode 2

+1

You guys obviously didn't see The Wolf Of Wall Street :D

What a pos ^that was

I think this is the first show which brings antinatalist themes to television. One of the detectives is a pessimist who has read his Schopenhauer and his Zapffe quite clearly from this scene:

+ Show Spoiler +

Too bad the other detective is insufferable. Looking forward to watching this once I'm done with The Wire.

Loving this show so far. Big fans of McConaughey and Harrelson

I think it has tons of potential

On January 21 2014 23:39 Loco wrote: I think this is the first show which brings antinatalist themes to television. One of the detectives is a pessimist who has read his Schopenhauer and his Zapffe quite clearly from this scene: + Show Spoiler + Too bad the other detective is insufferable. Looking forward to watching this once I'm done with The Wire.

I think it's great that Harrelson plays a completely different character, this ought to spice things up. How boring would it be if it was just a guy saying " I respect that"

Haven't really looked much into this show besides this thread and watching it but I'm curious as to where they are gonna go with it. Eventually the McConaughey & Harrelson interview bit is going to run out of rope and they both seem too old/out of the loop to really turn back into the main characters without flashbacks.

On January 21 2014 17:18 Daut wrote: GOAT tits episode 2

hah alexandra daddario is naked on TV a lot.

just google alexandra daddario nude and thank me later... after you've washed your hands.

On January 22 2014 08:24 Stim_Abuser wrote: Haven't really looked much into this show besides this thread and watching it but I'm curious as to where they are gonna go with it. Eventually the McConaughey & Harrelson interview bit is going to run out of rope and they both seem too old/out of the loop to really turn back into the main characters without flashbacks.

I think the show is supposed to be an anthology. But we'll have to wait and see i guess .

On January 20 2014 15:50 Raidern wrote: -memories of murder

i really recommend watching this movie.

On January 20 2014 15:50 Raidern wrote: Going to check it out later. 3 good 'investigation' movies: -the secret in your eyes -memories of murder -mother (madeo) last two movies are korean.

just quoting as a reminder to myself

On January 22 2014 06:01 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2014 23:39 Loco wrote: I think this is the first show which brings antinatalist themes to television. One of the detectives is a pessimist who has read his Schopenhauer and his Zapffe quite clearly from this scene: + Show Spoiler + Too bad the other detective is insufferable. Looking forward to watching this once I'm done with The Wire. I think it's great that Harrelson plays a completely different character, this ought to spice things up. How boring would it be if it was just a guy saying " I respect that"

Sure, they shouldn't both have the same personalities, but it doesn't mean they should be polar opposites... in that scene Woody just seems like the typical Pollyanna imbecile who doesn't like to think very much. He's not challenging his conclusions or anything, just saying "people don't want to hear that shit man, they don't think like that". As if he didn't know it. That scene bothers me because (and you probably guessed this) I'd feel annoyed if someone insisted that I open up and show my true colors and then dismiss me like that. People say they value honesty, but if you're not the type of person who's gonna tell them they're getting up in the morning for a good reason, they'll quickly demonstrate that they don't. I'm hoping he's not as bad as he is in that scene overall.


+1 to "Memories of Murder". Pretty good movie.

On January 22 2014 22:33 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2014 06:01 lebowski wrote:   On January 21 2014 23:39 Loco wrote: I think this is the first show which brings antinatalist themes to television. One of the detectives is a pessimist who has read his Schopenhauer and his Zapffe quite clearly from this scene: + Show Spoiler + Too bad the other detective is insufferable. Looking forward to watching this once I'm done with The Wire. I think it's great that Harrelson plays a completely different character, this ought to spice things up. How boring would it be if it was just a guy saying " I respect that" Sure, they shouldn't both have the same personalities, but it doesn't mean they should be polar opposites... in that scene Woody just seems like the typical Pollyanna imbecile who doesn't like to think very much. He's not challenging his conclusions or anything, just saying "people don't want to hear that shit man, they don't think like that". As if he didn't know it. That scene bothers me because (and you probably guessed this) I'd feel annoyed if someone insisted that I open up and show my true colors and then dismiss me like that. People say they value honesty, but if you're not the type of person who's gonna tell them they're getting up in the morning for a good reason, they'll quickly demonstrate that they don't. I'm hoping he's not as bad as he is in that scene overall. +1 to "Memories of Murder". Pretty good movie.

he certainly looks like an idiot in that scene... I would have thought you'd enjoy this as a wink from the writers (regarding a religious man's objections to pessimism); regardless, it seemed to me as a realistic dialogue between such people. A traditional guy like that could only react emotionally to such a subject, this was definitely an annoying behavior, but a great scene imo

I would of enjoyed it more if he [Matt McConaughey] had said something with some more bite to close it up. I think it would have been slightly more effective and realistic than his stern resignation. Woody played his role to perfection, I'm actually pretty sure this is how he thinks irl.

Woody Harrelson s a strong supporter of the conspiracy about the illuminati and has been a face to that "community" in a few different movies that i've seen and basically one of the public faces to protect those claims.

Awesome stuff. The show is very consistent, high level every episode.

On January 27 2014 05:26 Defrag wrote: Awesome stuff. The show is very consistent, high level every episode.

Couldn't agree more. All 3 episodes have delivered on a very high level so far.

I think something important to consider regarding Loco's criticism is that if everyone liked Schopenhauer it'd make for a boring as shit TV-show. That stuff is not entertaining unless used to provoke some guy who doesn't believe in it.

Very solid series so far. The contrast between the two main characters is entertaining, the back n forth narrative is cool and I also like the slow build up storywise...but I forecast that shit's about to hit the fan and action starts moving faster. The whole look of the show reminds me a little bit on David Fincher's Zodiac. 9.5/10 so far imo.

3rd ep was too slow for me but looks like the 4th is going to be very action packed.

Also the very end of last ep was really creepy and gave me the chills...

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/0...-the-weird-secrets-of-true-detective/

An interview about the literary and philosophical influences of Pizzollato for this show (mainly, the character of Cohle). Great to see some of my favorite writers in there as I expected.

i think this show is really good, but it moves a little slow. if you appreciate drama and character development, you will be okay. if you need gun fights and explosions, you will be disappointed.

i give it a 3.5 / 5

i agree with timmy dawg about the 3rd ep.

that guy with the machete and gas mask wandering around has a good omen.

also, how awesome is it that matthew mcConaughey is named one of the sexiest men alive, but woody harrelson is the one big pimpin in the show. also, the present time character he plays is all nasty. hard to believe any woman would be attracted to that. the makeup jobs are done well, i think

No episode tonight? Such tilt.

side note: the writer nic pizzollato is the brother of a poker player. he was an MTT player back in the day named capnjackpot i think

On February 03 2014 02:25 Stim_Abuser wrote: No episode tonight? Such tilt.

fuck you superbowl

http://truedetectiveconversations.tumblr.com/

great show

On February 05 2014 23:20 Daut wrote: http://truedetectiveconversations.tumblr.com/

Lol that's pretty good. This is what I feel like I'm hearing when watching the scenes where they just talk to each other riding around

great episode, love the dark atmosphere

it's going to be interesting to see what they do for season 2, if they continue doing interviews/flashbacks..

episode 4 delivered

Not sure about the action-scene, felt kinda unreal, which is a contrast from the rest of the show.

Yea wasn't a big fan of this one, still good though. Thinking the next one might be better.

not sure about this weeks episode, everything kind of slow paced for 3 episodes then Cohle goes crazy.

Thought it was a good episode overall but a bit over done. I mean how many people are going to die in that shoot out? He just randomly stumbles upon a complete shit show to create action

I fucking loved it.

^^All these swedes never been to the hood in the dirty South...nom sayin?

Loved this scene. Felt like something you would see in a movie not a TV show. Really impressive camera work and coordination, such that it caught me off guard tbh.

at 2:33 did Mcconaughly just shoot that guy?

On February 12 2014 10:42 JosephCalgary wrote: at 2:33 did Mcconaughly just shoot that guy?

First time I saw this, that's what I thought too

After watching it over and over, I think he grabs the shotgun the biker guy has (who it looks like is about to shoot McCon) and while he pushes it away, biker guy shoots simultaneously and pops black guy

Am I the only one in love with the opening sequence ?
Seriously it gives me goose bumps

Great tv series and it has the best opening song in a while (matches perfectly with the series IMO)

How can you link the song without the video ? oO

vimeo

Fuck that scene was so intense. Didn't realise it was one complete take. Amazing. Really love the style of this, and cant wait for more!

I thought this actor was fantastic

http://vimeo.com/84017154
@ 26 seconds, my brother and I watch this show together and he says hes going to make that retard praising the lord his avatar on pokerstars.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-obama-tv-true-detective-game-of-thrones-20140213,0,2060421.story#axzz2tG126rgS
Its cool to know Obama is watching these shows

On February 13 2014 17:28 Chewits wrote: Fuck that scene was so intense. Didn't realise it was one complete take. Amazing. Really love the style of this, and cant wait for more!

Not sure if thats actually true. I think they threw in some clever cuts that made it seem more intense e.g. panning the camera to the sky to see a chopper then returning.

On February 13 2014 22:09 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2014 17:28 Chewits wrote: Fuck that scene was so intense. Didn't realise it was one complete take. Amazing. Really love the style of this, and cant wait for more! Not sure if thats actually true. I think they threw in some clever cuts that made it seem more intense e.g. panning the camera to the sky to see a chopper then returning.

No it was one complete take. They put in possible edit points if they had to edit it, but they didnt need to. They also did it 7 times and this run was perfect. Read more here; http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1722001/true-detective-long-take.jhtml

On February 13 2014 19:30 JosephCalgary wrote: I thought this actor was fantastic

Dats Eli Thompson from Boardwalk Empire!

A+ episode, A+ final scene. reminded me of the single take opening scene from boogie nights but with a dark action sequence it was so much more powerful

AhhhMazzing. Seriously I have never liked a show this much.

this and house of cards probably the best series running in the moment

On February 16 2014 10:53 Daut wrote: A+ episode, A+ final scene. reminded me of the single take opening scene from boogie nights but with a dark action sequence it was so much more powerful

Can you give cliffs as to what the last scene meant? Is this "yellow king" guy giving MM clues as to where to look for him or something?

They really don't spoon feed you the details in this show, i'm finding myself having to re-watch scenes to understand them. Good show,

Also +1 on someone explaining the final scene.

I think it's implied that the Governor tittle or whatever is involved.

1) Chole asks woody harrelson did he ever wonder why the task force was so eager to take the case. The task force was assigned by the governor. Who took interest in the case early.

2) The school where Chole was in at the final scene where he found the stick art stuff that was at the crime scene is an old school that was funded by the governor.

I'm not sure if the yellow king is giving clues or if they're maybe trying to plant a seed in the viewers mind that Chole might be the killer. Hard to tell.

I'm sure there are a bunch of really good breakdowns on the internet, but I'm honestly trying to avoid them. Apparently there is a fictional poem or something that this is possibly based off of, and the last thing I want to do is have this show spoiled by people who have read it and put hours into breaking it down & it's relation to the show. This show is simply way to good for me to mess with the viewing experience with anything beyond speculation from others who simply watch the show as well.

my immediate thought on the final scene was that every suspicion the two black detectives had is true. MM is behind the murders and is orchestrating everything.

its either that or he has been tracking the yellow king (someone high up in law enforcement?) for 8+ years closely and is always 1 step behind. thats how he was in the area of the lake charles murder.

which theory is correct is anyone's guess. i think this is the kind of episode that is better to rewatch after we see the 6th episode cause rewatching it now wont give us a better idea on whats going on

i read two reviews online and they seem to care less about the whodunnit aspect than the storytelling and ramblings of MM. one point i saw brought up in both articles is that cohle's picture of the universe in m-theory is a metaphor for viewers watching his show. we are on the outside looking in at all the pieces of this story that we can rewatch over and over again and although we do watch the show in a linear fashion, we can basically look from the fourth dimension into his three dimensional life and see him at any point in time. its a very Slaughterhouse Five type view of the universe.

fucking love the show, I'm already tilted the season's gonna end in like 2 months

+ Show Spoiler +

i think its ok to post spoilers in here (as long as you dont have inside info on what happens in future episodes).

i dont really think MM is the killer. they just framed it that way and its what jumps out at you. think its far more likely he just became obsessed with the case and did nothing but track it for years.

but as to your point above, IF he is the killer he likely did it for the same reason he kills. to feel alive in some way.


the main reason i dont believe MM is the killer is that he was carrying his "tax man" book when he walked into the house. seemed more like he was investigating not orchestrating.

No way MM is the original killer unless he has some schizophrenia-ish syndrome similar to Tyler Durden, or maybe brainwashed/hypnotized in some way by the Yellow King or whatever. But I highly doubt that.

I would say it's a slight chance he did the latter killing in an effort to draw the attention of the original killer...but it's still far-fetched imo.

My guess is that some supernatural forces are in play.

Great episode, was not expecting what happened in Reggies house. Do we know who the 2 guys interviewing are? Are they FBI or just police? I would be amazed if MM is killer. I think he becomes obsessed with the case and starts trying to solve it himself. As Duat points out above the Yellow King could refer to someone in high authority. Its all really good. I may have to watch this episode later again lol

Also the reason MM is perhaps being very cryptic about the present is because he maybe is close to solving it, and these 2 have been influenced by someone to go after MM to stop him solving it.

Looking forward to next week!

On February 17 2014 12:22 HotChip wrote: No way MM is the original killer unless he has some schizophrenia-ish syndrome similar to Tyler Durden, or maybe brainwashed/hypnotized in some way by the Yellow King or whatever. But I highly doubt that. I would say it's a slight chance he did the latter killing in an effort to draw the attention of the original killer...but it's still far-fetched imo.

i think youre almost certainly right about the original killings, but would not be at all surprised if he did later killings for any reason. think of it this way: a joyless man that thinks the human race should pursue its own extinction starts drinking heavily, disappears for 8 years and is spouting off nonsense that he heard from reggie ledoux 17 years before "time is a flat circle". not to say its likely he killed people, but dont think its at all far fetched.

My guess is that some supernatural forces are in play.

this is extremely far fetched though. not pizzolatto's style. think he wants to keep everything realistic.

The show reminds me of Frailty with mcconaughey, It starts off with him being questioned by a cop, the story gets told through flashbacks..same gloomy feel, and in the end you discover + Show Spoiler +

that movie is probably the reason he got chosen for this show.

On February 17 2014 12:22 HotChip wrote: My guess is that some supernatural forces are in play.

that would pretty much ruin the whole series

Great episode. Really delivered. Can't wait for next one.

Cool show, I think neither of the two leads is the original or new killer. The new killer is probably the girl they rescued, and the original one someone related to the governor and that religious muckety muck.
Another good show right now is Banshee, its a bit less brainy and more on the fun side, they also share a few actors with this show.

I don't get what the detective said to marty:
Rianne Olivier wasn't one of ledoux's, she was one of his

wtf ?

On February 18 2014 12:18 drone666 wrote: I don't get what the detective said to marty: Rianne Olivier wasn't one of ledoux's, she was one of his wtf ?

He's suggesting to Marty ( woodey ) that Detective Chole is the killer, and that the girl Chole found that was killed in a similar manner to the girl they found in the woods with the deer antlers was a girl Chole killed a long time ago. He's implying Chole killed both and that Chole was using her to fake a connection to ledoux so that Chole could frame lidoux for the murders he ( Chole ) committed.

I explained that terribly, but I hope it helps :D.

On February 17 2014 17:43 Daut wrote: this is extremely far fetched though. not pizzolatto's style. think he wants to keep everything realistic.

Indeed, a very good point. Certainly hope youre right on this one.

Who cares about the killer ... its how MM's character goes through things that makes the show interesting. Its the complex paradox of tense principles and dark psychology he created after going through hell. The producer & director is a genius. I only hope that they don't drag the series into the pit after running out of legitimate story line, or that the story line actually turns out to something like in "The Mentalist" with some high ranked mastermind

My theory is MM isnt the killer, he eventually gave up on the case thus becoming so pitiful, there s no reason for him to the killer and be a total social outcast ( obv his way of thought kind of puts him there, but he was still useful as a cop). This being said, I think this is the first time ever any series challenged my perception of stuff and actually persuaded me to pick up some books the main character read that make him "a genius "

Scizo theory is flooded with flaws, there s no way no one noticed he s a scizo for such a long time ( obv. if we take scizo as a multi personality disorder which most people think it is ), he would be aware of it himself considering how aware is he about things altogether. The possibility of him having scizo in its true definition or any other mental illness would be exactly 0% logical.

On February 18 2014 12:34 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2014 12:18 drone666 wrote: I don't get what the detective said to marty: Rianne Olivier wasn't one of ledoux's, she was one of his wtf ? He's suggesting to Marty ( woodey ) that Detective Chole is the killer, and that the girl Chole found that was killed in a similar manner to the girl they found in the woods with the deer antlers was a girl Chole killed a long time ago. He's implying Chole killed both and that Chole was using her to fake a connection to ledoux so that Chole could frame lidoux for the murders he ( Chole ) committed. I explained that terribly, but I hope it helps :D.

thanks, makes sense now
but it's weird because how Cohle would know that an old girl that he killed, had a psicho boyfriend who was cellmate of the boyfriend of the second victim
seems impossible that he forged all those evidences

http://io9.com/the-one-literary-reference-you-must-know-to-appreciate-1523076497

article which explains "the yellow king". basically, the yellow king was a play within a fictional 1895 story (yo dawg i heard you like stories, so i put a story in your story) which was said to cause people to go mad just from reading even a few lines of it because it revealed awful incomprehensible truths about the universe.

author of the article also says that he thinks a move into the realm of the supernatural is possible. i still dont see it, but clearly he has experience with this genre and might know better. but i suspect his goal is to show that the actual universe we live in is a dark and terrifying place and can show this without the use of supernatural forces.

reminds me of a lawrence krauss talk: http://youtu.be/EjaGktVQdNg?t=42m36s

not sure if it fast forwards automatically, but if not, go to the 42 minute 30 second mark and watch the last 10 minutes for his vonnegut quote followed up by his picture of the future of the universe.

http://www.wekeeptheotherbadmenfromthedoor.com

Probably the least great episode of the series, but still very good TV. Bummed we only got two more hours of this.

Feels like this episode lost some depth which is what highlights the show
I can easily see this going into 3 to 4 seasons show , but I really hope they dont fuck it up. The comparison with "reading a novel" from the site above is spot on, but they can easily fall from that wagon

eagerly awaiting the next episode.

for those who might want some new tv, i suggest justifed. Justified is the greatest show/move/anything i have ever seen. i lived in a place just like the setting for the story.

yellowking theories

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2014/02/true-detective-theories/

should we know who that guy was with the grass cutter? hadnt got scars on his face cant be the main guy

only one ep left..

On March 03 2014 04:49 dnagardi wrote: should we know who that guy was with the grass cutter? hadnt got scars on his face cant be the main guy only one ep left..

Yup, he's deffinately part of the cult. He was the same guy that was mowing the grass at that closed school back in 95.

Matthew McConaughey Oscar acceptance speech for best actor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deNAilnDY4I
"First off I want to thank God, hes graced my life with opportunities that are not of a human hand, when you got god you've got a friend and that friend is you"
Do you guys really think this God Freak is going to play the atheist without supernatural forces coming into play at the end of the script?

The Oscar acceptance speech is part of the "true detective" script, he is just playing you all.

should we know who that guy was with the grass cutter? hadnt got scars on his face cant be the main guy
only one ep left..


Only if You watch it on web page with 60x200 resolution I guess. Whole right down part of the chin is covered with scars, You were expecting a guy with half of face missing? Everyone in the small country side would notice such guy. This fellow clearly has scars when You watch the close-up from camera. Kids imagination , cmon spaghetti face, of course drawing from Rast`s is something 10 year old scared kid would see.
My guess is - green ears? Fucker had his headphones from cutting grass on, when he was chasing that poor child. Also the fellow from first episode who is carying the deer crown girl is pretty fat, and has slow movement, not mentioning his clothes - pretty same as the fkin grass cutter suite. That would be my guess, of course plenty of people involved in this shit, but he might be the guy who is the crayziest of them all.

that just doesnt seem right, hes a little fish and had scenes of 15secs altogether in the whole series? they cant just make up a random character at the end and boom hes the villain

i got a feeling either marty or rust is the main evil

For me people are thinking to much about signs and shit, pls keep in mind that all things that they were showing are from the past, marty saying about" everything under his nose" and people saying that it might be rust - he was sayin about romance with that bitch and wife at home, everything in last ep is current, they met again - nothing matters now, it is simple as that. Only shock will be part played by his father in law - as his daughter seen somewhere rape, and signs - at grandfather`s house obv, maybe video tapes or some shit. For sure gov is involved, ledoux and 2nd fellow were as well, that makes 3, spaghetti monster/grass cutting fucker with scars is also a 4th one - 5th will be marty`s father in law and that is it.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Finale delivered

kinda clicheish and happy ending but good final ep. Very solid series it was.

they say season2 will be with totally new characters and landscape. looking forward to it.

The finale was a minor let-down for me...but still a very solid series overall. Hard to live up to the major hype.

haha so whats up with the signs? lol, director just pissed all over audience in my opinion, people were looking at pictures on walls, marty`s daughter theories were pointless ( which is pretty sad!), re-watching the episodes, this is the biggest wank of finales , maybe dexter was worse, i really thought that they are going to come up with something more than fkin freak leaving in an abonded house, with death father and all day raping his own ugly fkin women, cmooon, series was really good, but finale not even close, meeeeeeeeeeh

^agreed. It was alright, but I'm left feeling somewhat disappointed.

On March 10 2014 11:58 suited_mess wrote: haha so whats up with the signs? lol, director just pissed all over audience in my opinion, people were looking at pictures on walls, marty`s daughter theories were pointless ( which is pretty sad!), re-watching the episodes, this is the biggest wank of finales , maybe dexter was worse, i really thought that they are going to come up with something more than fkin freak leaving in an abonded house, with death father and all day raping his own ugly fkin women, cmooon, series was really good, but finale not even close, meeeeeeeeeeh

did you seriously just compare the finale of this to Dexter...?

wtf is wrong with you?

On March 10 2014 13:44 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2014 11:58 suited_mess wrote: haha so whats up with the signs? lol, director just pissed all over audience in my opinion, people were looking at pictures on walls, marty`s daughter theories were pointless ( which is pretty sad!), re-watching the episodes, this is the biggest wank of finales , maybe dexter was worse, i really thought that they are going to come up with something more than fkin freak leaving in an abonded house, with death father and all day raping his own ugly fkin women, cmooon, series was really good, but finale not even close, meeeeeeeeeeh did you seriously just compare the finale of this to Dexter...? wtf is wrong with you?

yep, I did, because I felt the same,and I hate typical happy endings, Rast was dark, and then became crying fkin faggot, what happened to the guy who was beating the shit out of the people, and breaking them mentally on police station, cmon, such change is good for twilight saga, not True Detective`s finale episode. They gave us nice treat whole time, but they ended it up with empty box. Everyone was expecting some shock , but hey nooo.. guy went to be a carpenter on fkin alaska, cheap Wolverine plot. I would rather see both detectives dying, than this cheesy shit at the end.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs...ointing-finale-of-true-detective.html

this one is exactly what I mean, so many good points in the article, too many loose ends, and to many shit that people were thinking that this might be clue - ended up as pointless things just there to make series more dark, without any explanation or sense, aaahhhh im so fkin angry at this finale , ok im gonna stop, but cmon!!!!! how they could ruin such good series!!aaaaaaaaa

You're fucking stupid if you think crying makes him seem weak. Wont even bother to comment on the rest

Finale could've been a bit better indeed, but was good overall

now you gonna looks for some second dept? i wrote that before, that all signs were blsht, but I lied to myself, and actually believed that it might be something more, was wrong and right at the same time, it just does not go with itself, and i will not comment on this cheesy star stories as well... admit it, fked up badly at the end

Honestly I think the series went down in quality, but still enjoyable.

Felt they did not know how to end the last few episodes.

i kinda feel the same suited_mess, there was really so much more in the final, also in the main villain

Please either burn suited_mess alive or ban him.

On March 10 2014 17:15 chris wrote: Please either burn suited_mess alive or ban him.

I don't wanna be banned or burned alive but I kinda agree with suited_mess here. I thought this was the best TV show I've seen. At times I was hoping to bust the Sunday donkaments more quickly so I could go to bed earlier so I could download the new episode first thing in the morning.

However, the ending was truly a disaster, did they randomly decide to change the writers for the last episode?

L'chaim fatass

I am disappointed. Imo this show had the greatest 3 starting episodes and sooo much potential - such good character development, superb acting and writing. And than went downhill... English is not my first language (I did not get all conversations on 100%) and I might have missed something but can you please help:

- wtf is the Yellow King? So much emphasis on this throughout the series but no clarification?
- who did the prisoner (who later killed himself or got killed) called? They tracked it to a phone boot on some weird place and were convinced that he wasn't calling his lawyer. Were the chief sheriff into that?
- wtf is Carcosa? Is it just the shown place where the main villain performed his rituals and killed kids?

Thanks in advance

You can read all about those questions in the previous pages.

You guys have way too high expectations about TV. If I had to choose between chasing the villain for 2-3 seasons or something ( like the mentalist ) or just cutting it down to a few eps and not clarifying all the signs I def choose 2nd scenario. Plus too much boo-hoo about the loose ends that were left. If Season 2 is with the same characters going after the network of sickos they ll have plenty of time to explain everything. Yes the Finale was somewhat rash, but so what. It was obvious from the very beginning that they probably didnt have big enough budget to complete a full normal series season length (16-24eps) considering 2 of the best actors past years are playing in it.
You want a challenge? Go pick up a book - a movie/serie will almost never that to you ( only thing that i felt challenging at any point was "Mr. Nobody" ) and if it does then you're most likely fucked.

obviously all that is going to be adressed on season 2 and this wont be the main guy, srsly you guys are retarded -_-

Except that season 2 will be with totaly different characters and case.

At least thats what the producer says:

Can you tell me anything at all about season 2?

Nic Pizzolatto: Okay. This is really early, but I'll tell you (it's about) hard women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation system.

On March 11 2014 03:24 enfant wrote: English is not my first language (I did not get all conversations on 100%)

http://www.subscene.com

On March 11 2014 04:07 Spitfiree wrote: You can read all about those questions in the previous pages.

I went through the previous pages but did not find anything specifically about the guy in the cell and the phone call. Browsing through the imdb board and reviews of the final episode, I see that many people are wondering the same things.
And yes, season 2 will be a completely new story so Baalim's post is very irrelevant.

If season 2 will include different story/characters/setting it will have to keep this YellowKing/BlackStars/Carcosa thing going imo. Too much loose ends if it doesn't and indicates sloppy writing. I mean, for a script writer it's easy to come up with a lot of weird and mysterious stuff in the screenplay, almost everybody can do that. A brilliant writer is able to take that shitstorm of mysterious clues and tie them together one by one so in the end everything makes sense to the (thinking) viewer, without making it too obvious. The Usual Supsects is the first example that pops into my head that has done this brilliantly.

True detective is about atmosphere and feelings.
If you want to watch a show about resolving mysteries watch scoobi-fucking-doo

Meeh the very end left me feeling the same I did when I watched LOST finale.

the yellow king is a story inside a play from 1900 which makes people go completely mad when they read it because of its horrifying truths about the world. and for some reason all of these guys in the secret cult have gone completely mad. so there is no real yellow king story, its just referenced from another story.

i dont know why so many of you are disappointed in the finale. sure they didnt get the entire cult, but the tuttle died (or was killed off) and its been 17 years. they got one of the main perpetrators which was good enough for marty and a more realistic result than pulling down an entire cult years after its done acting.

i was more mad about certain details in the finale, like for instance they find childress right after hes decided to kill his father, they chase him around a maze of a property where they could be ambushed at any moment instead of driving back to somewhere they could find cell reception and call for backup, or that they miraculously see a paint job years later and get lucky that the homeowner took the tax deduction and filled out the paperwork correctly? i just dont buy it all, but im ok with it for the purposes of the story.

think it was a great first season and wrapped up as nicely as it could. dont think season 2 will be as spectacular though, i think nic is being rushed to write a script whereas he had years to work on this.

cant believe you guys are comparing it to lost. Mig hit the nail on the head years ago in the lost thread when he condemned the writers for creating all these mysteries then solving them with some deus ex machina.

remember this?



true detective is about 2 partners who partially solved a case, one of them never fully gave up on the case because he was certain it went much deeper and after 15 years found more information leading to a high up government official and found the main killer. sure there were mysteries left unsolved, but they were never promised to be solved and they werent wrapped up in some really lame manner many seasons later.

if i ever wrote a series it would be very similar to the movie zodiac. the case my show centered around would likely go unsolved. if you guys never watched it, its really great.

Maze chase wasnt that bad, I thought so at first too, but considering the target they're chasing is fucking huge its not like he can move without making noises + Rust was cautious of traps, the ambush was the only thing that was surreal and the fact that he put a knife in his stomach and started pushing in upwards and he still survived ... gl with that. Chasing him was the only option too, Rust would've never given him the option to just run away, its not like he knows that there s no hidden exit on the other side. And if the Spaghettiman had ran away he would've practically lost 15 years of his life. Guy was a monster, but he knew how to keep a low profile

yep, but not spghettiman obv called to Jail? Or maybe he did, rape scene made by Marty`s daughter was a pointless scene right? which 9-10 year old girl on earth is playing "5 guys rape" without any influence from oustide? cheap shot, trans boy raped by group of men in the school in masks? I had to believe it was was Ledoux, and the fat guy ans spaghetti man over there? They had kids in their homes cuffed to fkin beds, meeh, ledoux was making these drugs to paralize kids for other guys, who? those who went without any harm. We got ours Marty says, of course to end up a story without further explanation, guys are givng away 15 years plus of life to catch guys, and they catched one sick bastard, but left all the reach rapists free? SO next day possibly they went again to fuck some kids. Then again exactly what guy in Jail says " rich guys playin in woods" cmon, so many things just left behind. As someone mentioned, they preapred us for nice ride, and it was until they picked up cables for fucker on a boat. Of course surroundings were great, I was in Louisiana state for 2 months, maybe that is why I loved this series so much, as I saw such places over there. Dark and great , and You can say last ep was good, but only when You did not see other 7 episodes with all tention. Also Marty and rust - that was the worst part, they had special bond thru 7 eps, Rust was just fkin with Marty, and in last ep they are like those two guys from a movie when they are fallin in love with old ladies, and their kids also fuck togehter, jack leemon is playin in this shit, do not now the title, Im done. 2 nd season will be totaly different plot, place , and actors what is most important, so no chance to get the answers for the questions we have, see ya and good night.

On March 11 2014 12:59 Daut wrote: if i ever wrote a series it would be very similar to the movie zodiac. the case my show centered around would likely go unsolved. if you guys never watched it, its really great.

QFMFT!


Whats up with oh noes but they didnt explain carcosa... oh he didnt get all the baddies... wtf dumbasses you want a Genkidama at the end so he kill all the badies so you can sleep at night? jesus christ its like you are unable to enjoy some actual good story instad of some prefabricated crap that they spoon it to the moronic audience that you are


Also keep bitching about all the "filler" episodes of the walking dead only because they didnt blow up a thousand of zombies or half the cast didnt die... oh but you will watch it again and keep bitching -_- /rant

On March 11 2014 21:10 waga wrote:

nice post my friend..

I would have 0 problems with the finale if they hadn't done the whole scene outside of the hospital. The actors handled it well but it was poorly written imo. Mcconaughey's character suddenly becomes an optimist that fully believes a near death metaphysical experience after a gazillion years of nihilistic anti natalism.
Earlier while they're talking inside the car "everyone always has a choice" instead of everyone being a puppet with no free will (and consciousness being an evolutionary mistake).

The light vs dark dialogue in the end - no matter how you choose to interpret it- would only bore a true anti natalist and I'm personally hoping the writer didn't mean evil vs good (in the hearts of men or whatever), because for anyone who has entertained the notion of nihilism as a personal philosophy these concepts are silly and it would require more than a bump on the head to start taking them seriously.

I mean, sure people can change etc but this felt so rushed that it's like they handed the script to someone who is clueless on everything that was going on in Rust's head and told him " finish this thing on a brighter note"

On March 12 2014 08:31 lebowski wrote: I would have 0 problems with the finale if they hadn't done the whole scene outside of the hospital. The actors handled it well but it was poorly written imo. Mcconaughey's character suddenly becomes an optimist that fully believes a near death metaphysical experience after a gazillion years of nihilistic anti natalism. Earlier while they're talking inside the car "everyone always has a choice" instead of everyone being a puppet with no free will (and consciousness being an evolutionary mistake). The light vs dark dialogue in the end - no matter how you choose to interpret it- would only bore a true anti natalist and I'm personally hoping the writer didn't mean evil vs good (in the hearts of men or whatever), because for anyone who has entertained the notion of nihilism as a personal philosophy these concepts are silly and it would require more than a bump on the head to start taking them seriously. I mean, sure people can change etc but this felt so rushed that it's like they handed the script to someone who is clueless on everything that was going on in Rust's head and told him " finish this thing on a brighter note"

the interesting part about the light/dark analogy is that the dark is clearly winning. sure everything was dark before gravity pulled together clouds of gases that became suns which shine brightly, but the universe is expanding but the total amount of stuff is staying the same, so the temperature of the universe is asymptotically approaching absolute zero as everything moves apart in a fairly uniform manner. DARK GONNA WIN RUST

I thought the ending was good. I think most people are disappointed because the first ~5 episodes were probably the best in TV history and the build up was so incredible that people were going to be disappointed almost no matter what happened. I do agree there was a lil bit of cheesiness in the finale but I'm ok with it.

Very good ending, not great though. Needed to be ~2 more episodes long.

wow some people are disappointed about the ending?

because rust had some emotions instead of being an empty vessel?

anyway I really enjoyed the entire season from beginning to finale

On March 12 2014 16:58 Fayth wrote: because rust had some emotions instead of being an empty vessel?

more like because he went completely out of character.
meh where is Loco, I want to see what he thinks about the ending

Not really had much of a look in this thread, but saw all episodes, thought they all were entertaining, fun, and a little different, don't think there was a single episode that I didn't like.

Awesome show xD

If something is good, its worth rewatching, I'll never rewatch true detectives, shit sucked
only parts of the show I liked: woody, glorious tits and ass, action scenes, but there were too few of them

Yeah it was out of character but the guy is in a self destructive spiral and was nearly killed by a maniac with a knife and was in a coma, I dont think its unreasonable to think he can have a "slip" in those weakened moments

and not to mention, if there is anything rust is its contrarian. the moment marty gave a dark answer rust felt the need to challenge it.

People looking for solved mysteries on this show are symptom of serise like Lost where they had to fill the Show with red herrings or useless visual clues to try to give more depth to a lacking script/plot.

Breaking Bad also suffered from this "omg he always uses stuff from the people he kills, omg hes wearing/not wearing the hat". Its just fanservice, it doesnt make the plot any more interesting. True Detective its a good show, no idea why people were expecting some kind of sixth sense revelation at the end.

BTW the darkness dialog at the end is copy pasted from an Alan Moore comic called Top Ten (google it, easy to find the pages im talking about). The whole point is that they didnt stop the whole cult, IT DOESNT MATTER, they did what they had to do and stopped the one they could. They arent superheroes they are just (true)detectives. They solved the case of Dora Lange.

And in the end thats what matter, they put their little star in the sky. No matter the vastness of the darkness / cult they still did their thing, so no matter what theres still more stars/ good.

Forget about him being stabbed,being in a coma and etc., not that those things don't matter. However him actually going into a short state of weakness only shows how strong his character really is , shows the capabilities of his will and etc.
Most people automatically connect crying to a baby and its weaknesses and that's where the problem comes. If Rust wasn't capable of that last moment he'd be somewhat of a sociopath and his character would actually lose epicness

Nice point Spitfiree, that moment of weakness really shows how much he has to control himself all the time, otherwise we could think he is just a insensitive (even if interesting) person.

Edit: insensitive, not senseless

feel like this thread has a much higher % of bulgarians than the rest of the site. BULGARIA WHY U LOVE TRUE DETECTIVE SO MUCH

I didn't mind the crying, it was well done and it somewhat saved the whole scene by making it more emotional. I guess it felt like for the finale the writer decided to give Rust's character the finger by reducing his crushing pessimistic certainty (the one that was torturing him for years) to a matter of mere -and easily disposable- opinion, through a near death metaphysical experience. That's what makes the character seem weak (throughout all these years), not the crying. I mean clearly the show wants to end on a brighter note, but to do so it makes Rust appear far less awesome and smart. The car talk about choice etc that I mentioned in my earlier post also gave me the feeling that the show was somewhat faking it's philosophical and psychological profundity, but maybe I'm asking too much

In my defense, they certainly set the bar very high with their earlier episodes

Still a great series overall, will def check season 2

More unrealistic would be if Rust didnt show emotions in all the show. Two scenes show that he is human: when he fucks martins wife and when he cried.

On March 13 2014 09:07 Daut wrote: feel like this thread has a much higher % of bulgarians than the rest of the site. BULGARIA WHY U LOVE TRUE DETECTIVE SO MUCH

Because it's awesome? :D

great show so far, starts off a little slow, but gets v good v fast. Just saw the episode where they go to the ghetto, there was a 2-3 min continuous shoot scene with non stop action, v impressive

On March 12 2014 18:28 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2014 16:58 Fayth wrote: because rust had some emotions instead of being an empty vessel? more like because he went completely out of character. meh where is Loco, I want to see what he thinks about the ending

I felt the same as you about the hospital scene, and what made it really unconvincing for me is precisely what Daut just wrote about with the light vs dark. While a pessimist isn't immune to transcendental experiences (Cioran himself had a few episodes of 'mystical ecstasy'), they don't end up lying to themselves after them. Of course, maybe he was just entertaining Marty by deceptively saying that "the light is winning", but Cohle shouldn't be saying something like that even if it's not heartfelt (or precisely because it isn't heartfelt, he was always brutally honest).

I also don't feel like Rust wasn't showing any emotions previous to this. He was acting very stoically, but since he needed to be intoxicated all the time, it's quite obvious he was having a tough time with his emotions. Also lebowski, this wasn't the first time he was out of character. Spouting that Eternal Reccurence nonsense as if it were a fact is completely outside of character. Nietzsche's idea was something to be entertained, not accepted as truth. I knew this would happen before even starting the show since I read interviews with Pizzolatto. Knowing that he wasn't an antinatalist himself, and the fact that he said that people should be wary of pidgeonholing Rust before seeing his full development, I had a feeling they'd do some kind of Schopenhauer-Nietzsche clash with the life-affirmation winning out in the end.


I might write more about it all later, I'm very short on time right now. Btw, there was a scene on his antinatalism that was unfortunately deleted: (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/13/watch-true-detective-s-rust-cohle-break-up-with-his-gf-in-this-deleted-scene.html)