new series: True Detective - Page 8

Not really had much of a look in this thread, but saw all episodes, thought they all were entertaining, fun, and a little different, don't think there was a single episode that I didn't like.

Awesome show xD

If something is good, its worth rewatching, I'll never rewatch true detectives, shit sucked
only parts of the show I liked: woody, glorious tits and ass, action scenes, but there were too few of them

Yeah it was out of character but the guy is in a self destructive spiral and was nearly killed by a maniac with a knife and was in a coma, I dont think its unreasonable to think he can have a "slip" in those weakened moments

and not to mention, if there is anything rust is its contrarian. the moment marty gave a dark answer rust felt the need to challenge it.

People looking for solved mysteries on this show are symptom of serise like Lost where they had to fill the Show with red herrings or useless visual clues to try to give more depth to a lacking script/plot.

Breaking Bad also suffered from this "omg he always uses stuff from the people he kills, omg hes wearing/not wearing the hat". Its just fanservice, it doesnt make the plot any more interesting. True Detective its a good show, no idea why people were expecting some kind of sixth sense revelation at the end.

BTW the darkness dialog at the end is copy pasted from an Alan Moore comic called Top Ten (google it, easy to find the pages im talking about). The whole point is that they didnt stop the whole cult, IT DOESNT MATTER, they did what they had to do and stopped the one they could. They arent superheroes they are just (true)detectives. They solved the case of Dora Lange.

And in the end thats what matter, they put their little star in the sky. No matter the vastness of the darkness / cult they still did their thing, so no matter what theres still more stars/ good.

Forget about him being stabbed,being in a coma and etc., not that those things don't matter. However him actually going into a short state of weakness only shows how strong his character really is , shows the capabilities of his will and etc.
Most people automatically connect crying to a baby and its weaknesses and that's where the problem comes. If Rust wasn't capable of that last moment he'd be somewhat of a sociopath and his character would actually lose epicness

Nice point Spitfiree, that moment of weakness really shows how much he has to control himself all the time, otherwise we could think he is just a insensitive (even if interesting) person.

Edit: insensitive, not senseless

feel like this thread has a much higher % of bulgarians than the rest of the site. BULGARIA WHY U LOVE TRUE DETECTIVE SO MUCH

I didn't mind the crying, it was well done and it somewhat saved the whole scene by making it more emotional. I guess it felt like for the finale the writer decided to give Rust's character the finger by reducing his crushing pessimistic certainty (the one that was torturing him for years) to a matter of mere -and easily disposable- opinion, through a near death metaphysical experience. That's what makes the character seem weak (throughout all these years), not the crying. I mean clearly the show wants to end on a brighter note, but to do so it makes Rust appear far less awesome and smart. The car talk about choice etc that I mentioned in my earlier post also gave me the feeling that the show was somewhat faking it's philosophical and psychological profundity, but maybe I'm asking too much

In my defense, they certainly set the bar very high with their earlier episodes

Still a great series overall, will def check season 2

More unrealistic would be if Rust didnt show emotions in all the show. Two scenes show that he is human: when he fucks martins wife and when he cried.

On March 13 2014 09:07 Daut wrote: feel like this thread has a much higher % of bulgarians than the rest of the site. BULGARIA WHY U LOVE TRUE DETECTIVE SO MUCH

Because it's awesome? :D

great show so far, starts off a little slow, but gets v good v fast. Just saw the episode where they go to the ghetto, there was a 2-3 min continuous shoot scene with non stop action, v impressive

On March 12 2014 18:28 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2014 16:58 Fayth wrote: because rust had some emotions instead of being an empty vessel? more like because he went completely out of character. meh where is Loco, I want to see what he thinks about the ending

I felt the same as you about the hospital scene, and what made it really unconvincing for me is precisely what Daut just wrote about with the light vs dark. While a pessimist isn't immune to transcendental experiences (Cioran himself had a few episodes of 'mystical ecstasy'), they don't end up lying to themselves after them. Of course, maybe he was just entertaining Marty by deceptively saying that "the light is winning", but Cohle shouldn't be saying something like that even if it's not heartfelt (or precisely because it isn't heartfelt, he was always brutally honest).

I also don't feel like Rust wasn't showing any emotions previous to this. He was acting very stoically, but since he needed to be intoxicated all the time, it's quite obvious he was having a tough time with his emotions. Also lebowski, this wasn't the first time he was out of character. Spouting that Eternal Reccurence nonsense as if it were a fact is completely outside of character. Nietzsche's idea was something to be entertained, not accepted as truth. I knew this would happen before even starting the show since I read interviews with Pizzolatto. Knowing that he wasn't an antinatalist himself, and the fact that he said that people should be wary of pidgeonholing Rust before seeing his full development, I had a feeling they'd do some kind of Schopenhauer-Nietzsche clash with the life-affirmation winning out in the end.


I might write more about it all later, I'm very short on time right now. Btw, there was a scene on his antinatalism that was unfortunately deleted: (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/13/watch-true-detective-s-rust-cohle-break-up-with-his-gf-in-this-deleted-scene.html)

Finished the season. I don't think it's as great as everyone makes it seem. 9.5 on IMDB? Ehhh, don't think so. As bad ass as episode 4 was, it was almost all filler, which is pretty shitty in an 8-episode season. And I started to lose interest when the questioning / narrating stopped at end of episode 6. I don't even remember what happened in episode 7 at all. The finale was okay. I thought the serial killer villain reveal was lame. The way Rust described this guy in the first couple of episodes was intriguing but it just ended up being an incestuous crazy hill billy.

The acting was top notch, specifically from Woody Harrelson.

I wish the finale ended with both Rust and Marty dying (after the killer was shot in the head) as they would both have closure on this 17-year-long case but they paid a price for chasing so deep and for so long. Their bodies wouldn't be found but the serial killer would have finally been brought down. They would be unsung heroes.

On March 18 2014 08:52 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2014 18:28 lebowski wrote:   On March 12 2014 16:58 Fayth wrote: because rust had some emotions instead of being an empty vessel? more like because he went completely out of character. meh where is Loco, I want to see what he thinks about the ending I felt the same as you about the hospital scene, and what made it really unconvincing for me is precisely what Daut just wrote about with the light vs dark. While a pessimist isn't immune to transcendental experiences (Cioran himself had a few episodes of 'mystical ecstasy'), they don't end up lying to themselves after them. Of course, maybe he was just entertaining Marty by deceptively saying that "the light is winning", but Cohle shouldn't be saying something like that even if it's not heartfelt (or precisely because it isn't heartfelt, he was always brutally honest). I also don't feel like Rust wasn't showing any emotions previous to this. He was acting very stoically, but since he needed to be intoxicated all the time, it's quite obvious he was having a tough time with his emotions. Also lebowski, this wasn't the first time he was out of character. Spouting that Eternal Reccurence nonsense as if it were a fact is completely outside of character. Nietzsche's idea was something to be entertained, not accepted as truth. I knew this would happen before even starting the show since I read interviews with Pizzolatto. Knowing that he wasn't an antinatalist himself, and the fact that he said that people should be wary of pidgeonholing Rust before seeing his full development, I had a feeling they'd do some kind of Schopenhauer-Nietzsche clash with the life-affirmation winning out in the end. I might write more about it all later, I'm very short on time right now. Btw, there was a scene on his antinatalism that was unfortunately deleted: (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/13/watch-true-detective-s-rust-cohle-break-up-with-his-gf-in-this-deleted-scene.html)

I knew it
btw, in that link with the deleted scene the author says that the scene "demystifies Rust, and surely would have added fuel to the claims that True Detective is misogynistic"
wtf?
crazy feminists seeing conspiracies everywhere?

On March 23 2014 10:16 TheHuHu3 wrote: Finished the season. I don't think it's as great as everyone makes it seem. 9.5 on IMDB? Ehhh, don't think so. As bad ass as episode 4 was, it was almost all filler, which is pretty shitty in an 8-episode season. And I started to lose interest when the questioning / narrating stopped at end of episode 6. I don't even remember what happened in episode 7 at all. The finale was okay. I thought the serial killer villain reveal was lame. The way Rust described this guy in the first couple of episodes was intriguing but it just ended up being an incestuous crazy hill billy. The acting was top notch, specifically from Woody Harrelson.

Completely agree, I mean looking back to the first few episodes the killer is made to appear to be very sophisticated and highly intelligent and possibly connected to the case. I definitely do not understand the reasoning for having the killer being some random half retard

Colin Farrel and Vince Vaughn? lol gg

Who would have thought Mcconaghey (sp) and Harrelson would have killed it like that? I sure didn't. I never thought Matt or Woody had it in them before they destroyed it with this show.

I'm excited to see Vaughn put in a serious role.

On March 25 2014 16:33 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 23 2014 10:16 TheHuHu3 wrote: Finished the season. I don't think it's as great as everyone makes it seem. 9.5 on IMDB? Ehhh, don't think so. As bad ass as episode 4 was, it was almost all filler, which is pretty shitty in an 8-episode season. And I started to lose interest when the questioning / narrating stopped at end of episode 6. I don't even remember what happened in episode 7 at all. The finale was okay. I thought the serial killer villain reveal was lame. The way Rust described this guy in the first couple of episodes was intriguing but it just ended up being an incestuous crazy hill billy. The acting was top notch, specifically from Woody Harrelson. Completely agree, I mean looking back to the first few episodes the killer is made to appear to be very sophisticated and highly intelligent and possibly connected to the case. I definitely do not understand the reasoning for having the killer being some random half retard

It seemed to me that there were more people involved in this, he was just the one who did the dirty work