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MezmerizePLZ   United States. Dec 10 2013 17:29. Posts 2598 | | |
10/20 Bellagio game 9 handed. Villain is BB 10k deep, hero covers
Villain is not a reg in these games, but seems like a somewhat straight forward, somewhat decent but not especially creative player. probably not quite used to playing 10k deep as he has won a few decent pots lately. he bought in for maybe 5k or so.
Hero is delt Kc3c in the CO, villain is BB.
folds to Hero who makes it 60 w/ Kc3c, sb call, villain call in BB
Flop 457r, They both check I bet 140 with bdfd + gutshot, overcard. Villain is only caller. turn Qc, he checks i bet 380, he makes it 1200.
I did not expect him to slowplay 86 on flop very often, I think most of his value range is Q7/Q5 type hands. I decide to go big and try to move him off 2pair. I make it 2900, he calls after tanking for about a minute. river 9d, he chks I put him allin for about potsize 6.5k or something.
How often do villains fold Q5 Q7 here? i think he will have 68 & sets some small % of time, but I could see him folding 44 or 55 occasionally. I did not expect many turn folds. I could just call turn with FD + gutshot maybe with some river bluffjams if he bets and I felt inclined.
Too bold? or just the right amount of spice?
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NMcNasty   United States. Dec 10 2013 18:34. Posts 2039 | | |
The thing is if he's scared of calling with 2pair he might have been scared to raise it in the first place. Also he might have folded turn. Preflop and flop aren't even really autocalls.
I prefer call turn / re-evaluate river. |
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YoMeR   United States. Dec 10 2013 19:12. Posts 12435 | | |
Since villain is up I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up with the nuts here more often than not.
But that might be another reason why we'd bluff him in the first place... live players love to protect their wins. So I'd say generally we'd have more fold equity vs the 2pair non-nut type hands. |
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Skoal   Canada. Dec 10 2013 19:58. Posts 460 | | |
he got spicy with 86 and theres nothing u can do, cold deck |
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PoorUser   United States. Dec 11 2013 05:52. Posts 7471 | | |
just the right amount of spice
think its more likely to see him show up with some turned draw rather than q5/q7 though (something like 4x/5x/6x/7x/8xcc) doubt you run into 86 because when someones playing this deep when they usually dont, i think you'll see the 4b jam on turn pretty much always. |
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locoo   Peru. Dec 11 2013 08:29. Posts 4561 | | |
because of your description it seems he is the type of player that doesnt like to get into marginal situations, so I think q5 and q7 arent gonna be in his range much either preflop or on his turn raising range. I guess q7 could be sometimes but given that it should be suited and if 7 isnt c theres even more combos of a single set than that particular hand and when we think he can have 86o sometimes it gets ugly.
So that leaves us w q7, sets and straights, not a pretty range for you so Id just call turn and hope to improve.
That said i'm not used to playing this deep so I'd prob play it like im 250bb deep which is the stnd for me. |
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AndrewSong   United States. Dec 11 2013 09:02. Posts 2355 | | |
| On December 11 2013 07:29 locoo wrote:
because of your description it seems he is the type of player that doesnt like to get into marginal situations, so I think q5 and q7 arent gonna be in his range much either preflop or on his turn raising range. I guess q7 could be sometimes but given that it should be suited and if 7 isnt c theres even more combos of a single set than that particular hand and when we think he can have 86o sometimes it gets ugly.
So that leaves us w q7, sets and straights, not a pretty range for you so Id just call turn and hope to improve.
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thewh00sel   United States. Dec 11 2013 10:39. Posts 2734 | | |
I like it, agree with PU about him just ripping turn with 86 and sets a high percentage and probably turned some sort of draw himself and was trying to hit it. Certainly could see a hero fold of bottom set as well on the river. |
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Smuft   Canada. Dec 11 2013 12:50. Posts 633 | | |
kimchi aint shit in comparison level of spiciness imo.
Our blockers are working against us, blocking none of his value combos but a bunch of his semi bluffing combos -> easy turn flat to realize equity. Kind of catastrophic here when you get shoved on and don't realize your 20~25% equity
| On December 10 2013 16:29 MezmerizePLZ wrote:
Villain is not a reg in these games, but seems like a somewhat straight forward, somewhat decent but not especially creative player.
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Leads me to believe he doesn't have Q5o/Q7o in his range pre and even Q5s/Q7s being maybe called/maybe not. Perhaps he was feeling a bit spicy himself being up 5k and decided to call them but I don't think so.
| On December 11 2013 04:52 PoorUser wrote:
think its more likely to see him show up with some turned draw rather than q5/q7 though (something like 4x/5x/6x/7x/8xcc). |
Agree some turned equity is more likely than Q5/Q7 but holding K3cc here we block a bunch of those combos making value hands more likely.
interesting all the live players like it and all the internet players dont |
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Skoal   Canada. Dec 11 2013 13:01. Posts 460 | | |
no one folds a suited queen in that spot pre in live game, r u out of ur mind |
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YoMeR   United States. Dec 11 2013 19:42. Posts 12435 | | |
| On December 11 2013 11:50 Smuft wrote:
kimchi aint shit in comparison level of spiciness imo.
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Dec 12 2013 17:11. Posts 7292 | | |
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Dec 12 2013 17:14. Posts 7292 | | |
I mean... absolutely if you think he folds Q7, 44, 55 here. You almost never see 86 since most people rip it over the turn raise. Totally dependent on the villan imo. If you've been running really good and showing down a lot of nut hands then I think this is probably a good spot to get super sick
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Dec 12 2013 17:17. Posts 7292 | | |
It's fine even if you get called. No one at that table will ever believe you in the future when you do actually have it lol. |
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TimDawg   United States. Dec 16 2013 03:54. Posts 10197 | | |
Enjoyed this thread, would love to see more hands like this posted |
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him check raising the turn should be considered a leak and exploitative, unless he check calls flop with the nuts to balance his range but who does that? would have been nice to see you take advantage of that. |
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