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TimDawg    United States. Oct 22 2013 04:08. Posts 10144

Hand is from when I recently played at Commerce Casino in LA. Stakes are 5/10 NLHE, $500-$1500 buy in.

Villain is a younger asian girl who seems regish. She has been doing some fishy stuff like open limping MP with suited junk (94s) but seems to be somewhat competent. So we also have a bit of history before the hand in question.

In said hand, I 3bet her HJ open + BT (fish) flat in the SB w 9cTc, she and BT both call.

I 2 barrel and check/call everything off after she shoves river on a

9h4c5cJcQh board

(she had QsQd)

Afterwards she seemed pretty frustrated and tilted...

A weird hand played out not too long after this where EP raised to $30, she 3bet from MP to $105, I cold called in the CO with AdKs, EP 4bet to $400ish and she insta ships about $1500 (I fold) and EP folds.

Anyway, on to the hand in question....

I have JhJs on the BT

Villain: ($2270)
Hero: Covers

She open limps in MP for $10,

Folds to me on the BT and I raise to $50

The BB (unknown) flats and she calls as well.

Flop: Th4s5s (Pot: $160)

Ck, Ck, I bet $120

Fold, she doesn't think very long and raises to $420

I call.

Turn: Th4s5sQc (Pot: $1000)

She tanks for a decent amount of time and bets $800 with $1000 remaining (I cover).

What do we do?

My thoughts on the flop was that she is probably c/r'ing lots of draws, random air, nut flush draw, pair + flush draw and sets. So against that range I decided to call and just jam over good turns. The Qc seems to be one of those good turns. So should I go ahead with my plan and jam it in? Or call/call? Any arguments for doing anything differently with my reads?

Thanks in advance for the responses,

Tim

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handbanana21   United States. Oct 22 2013 13:35. Posts 2991

Ship seems to be the best option. Calling is just too meh, the river can get ugly real fast. Given youve seen her limp 94s before, you know its not completely pp heavy, which should make your decision easier.


locoo   Peru. Oct 22 2013 15:19. Posts 4465

Yeah I agree just shove, if she had you beat is was from the flop anyway that Q changes very little

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thewh00sel    United States. Oct 22 2013 16:39. Posts 2716

looks like she's trying to commit herself with a combodraw, and given her passivity in the 3b pot with QQ on the 9 high board I think she's weighted more to draws than huge hands. Agree that you should get it in now otherwise you end up just getting ch/folds on rivers when she misses, paying off sets and paying off when she hits.

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YoMeR   United States. Oct 22 2013 16:54. Posts 12338

If she limp/calls 94s she can also have all the combos of T4s/T5s/ and even some 45o which makes this decision closer than you'd think imo. So against a range of 44/55 T4s T5s 45s and prob ~half the combos of 45o and all the combos of the big draws it seems pretty close, especially on the flop.

That said if you peel the flop and turn bricks like that then ship looks good. This would be one of those spots that if someone seems solidish then I'd ship if they are stuck and fold if they are up kinda thing...I really think this is super close

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NMcNasty    United States. Oct 22 2013 18:05. Posts 1780

I think I shove too, but you really gotta be sure she has air in her range. If its just flush draws and sets I think you gotta fold. The Qs flush draws got there.


JohnnyBologna   United States. Oct 22 2013 18:48. Posts 1384


  On October 22 2013 15:39 thewh00sel wrote:
looks like she's trying to commit herself with a combodraw, and given her passivity in the 3b pot with QQ on the 9 high board I think she's weighted more to draws than huge hands. Agree that you should get it in now otherwise you end up just getting ch/folds on rivers when she misses, paying off sets and paying off when she hits.



some of the stuff in this post doesnt make sense. she would be trying to commit herself with made hands as well playing deep. also her playing her qq passively makes her more likely to go nuts with draws? but yes she is doing this with a lot of draws.

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n0rthf4ce    United States. Oct 22 2013 19:41. Posts 8118


  On October 22 2013 15:54 YoMeR wrote:
If she limp/calls 94s she can also have all the combos of T4s/T5s/ and even some 45o which makes this decision closer than you'd think imo. So against a range of 44/55 T4s T5s 45s and prob ~half the combos of 45o and all the combos of the big draws it seems pretty close, especially on the flop.

That said if you peel the flop and turn bricks like that then ship looks good. This would be one of those spots that if someone seems solidish then I'd ship if they are stuck and fold if they are up kinda thing...I really think this is super close

think this is spot on

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MezmerizePLZ    United States. Oct 23 2013 04:49. Posts 2559

Make sure to look into her eyes for 1-2 minutes before deciding


TimDawg    United States. Oct 23 2013 04:51. Posts 10144


  On October 23 2013 03:49 MezmerizePLZ wrote:
Make sure to look into her eyes for 1-2 minutes before deciding


lol I did actually do this but probably not for that long

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napoleono   Romania. Oct 23 2013 06:08. Posts 764

Result?


thewh00sel    United States. Oct 24 2013 00:59. Posts 2716


  On October 22 2013 17:48 JohnnyBologna wrote:
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some of the stuff in this post doesnt make sense. she would be trying to commit herself with made hands as well playing deep. also her playing her qq passively makes her more likely to go nuts with draws? but yes she is doing this with a lot of draws.

I'm saying she's likely imbalanced. People who play overpairs slow tend to be more weighted to draws when try go nuts in my experience.

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Oct 24 2013 06:19. Posts 7291

I bet smaller on flop. As played I shove. She sounds like a button clicker, so I don't fold these hands vs button clickers.

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Daut    United States. Oct 24 2013 09:45. Posts 8712


  On October 22 2013 15:54 YoMeR wrote:
If she limp/calls 94s she can also have all the combos of T4s/T5s/ and even some 45o which makes this decision closer than you'd think imo. So against a range of 44/55 T4s T5s 45s and prob ~half the combos of 45o and all the combos of the big draws it seems pretty close, especially on the flop.

That said if you peel the flop and turn bricks like that then ship looks good. This would be one of those spots that if someone seems solidish then I'd ship if they are stuck and fold if they are up kinda thing...I really think this is super close



this was my thought as well. would be real worried about all the smaller 2 pairs. not sure what i do at this stack depth. if this was all in i call it off/was all in on flop already, but with another 100bb behind im not so sure

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n0rthf4ce    United States. Oct 24 2013 14:45. Posts 8118


  On October 23 2013 03:49 MezmerizePLZ wrote:
Make sure to look into her eyes for 1-2 minutes before deciding

dont think this is that important. People in that spot usually avoid eye contact or even if they don't they usually don't give away too much. 1-2 minutes is a long time and I think most of the time you're just wasting everyone's time.

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chris   United States. Oct 24 2013 15:27. Posts 5498

maybe mouth the words 'i love you' when looking into her eyes

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YoMeR   United States. Oct 24 2013 19:31. Posts 12338


  On October 23 2013 23:59 thewh00sel wrote:
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I'm saying she's likely imbalanced. People who play overpairs slow tend to be more weighted to draws when try go nuts in my experience.



That seems like backward logic to me...someone who passively plays a monster hand then turns around and starts going ape shit with a weaker hand? I rarely see these types of players myself...maybe your sample size is only vs wierdos? O_o

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chris   United States. Oct 24 2013 20:54. Posts 5498

@yomer - this happens a lot with live players

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chris   United States. Oct 24 2013 20:54. Posts 5498

i think their logic is something like "i have a big pair, im so strong, i hope they dont fold" and with draws its "i have a draw, i should go apeshit and hope they fold...if they dont, at least i have a draw"

its weird

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MezmerizePLZ    United States. Oct 24 2013 21:41. Posts 2559


  On October 24 2013 13:45 n0rthf4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +

dont think this is that important. People in that spot usually avoid eye contact or even if they don't they usually don't give away too much. 1-2 minutes is a long time and I think most of the time you're just wasting everyone's time.


you just wait till the next time i see you
ima stare you down for FIVE minutes in a $60 pot.


 
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