UFC 162: Silva vs Weidman

Date: Saturday, July 6th
Preliminary Card (Facebook): 18:00 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST Facebook stream
Preliminary Card (FX): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card Time (Fuel TV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
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Main Card (PPV)

Anderson Silva (33-4) vs Chris Weidman (9-0) (weight)
Frankie Edgar (15-4-1) vs. Charles Oliveira (16-3) (weight)
Tim Kennedy (15-4) vs. Roger Gracie (6-1) (weight)
Dennis Siver (21-8) vs. Cub Swanson (19-5) (weight)
Mark Munoz (12-3) vs. Tim Boetsch (16-5) (weight)

Preliminary Card (FX)

Chris Leben (22-9) vs. Andrew Craig (8-1) (weight)
Norman Parke (17-2) vs. Kazuki Tokudome (12-3-1) (weight)
Edson Barboza (11-1) vs. Rafaello Oliveira (16-5) (weight)
Gabriel Gonzaga (14-7) vs. Dave Herman (21-5) (weight)

Preliminary Card (Facebook)

Seth Baczynski (18-9) vs. Brian Melancon (6-2) (weight)
Mike Pierce (16-5) vs. David Mitchell (12-2) (weight)

Other

- Also, co-featured on the card was expected to be a bout between top featherweight contenders Ricardo Lamas and Chan Sung Jung; however on June 14, it was announced that Jung had been pulled from the Lamas bout and would replace an injured Anthony Pettis to face Jose Aldo on August 3, 2013 at UFC 163.
- Ricardo Lamas is still an uncertainty for this card.
- A bout between Thiago Silva and Rafael Cavalcante, briefly linked to this event, was moved to UFC on Fuel TV: Nogueira vs. Werdum.
- John Makdessi was expected to face Edson Barboza at the event; however, Makdessi, pulled out of the bout citing an injury and was replaced by Rafaello Oliveira.
- Shane del Rosario was originally scheduled to face Dave Herman at the event; however, del Rosario was forced off the card due to injury and replaced by Gabriel Gonzaga.

Anderson > Weidman
Edgar > OliveOil (I'm not betting Edgar at all, I have my money on OliveOil because he's dangerous and he's +425!!!)
Gracie > Kennedy
Swanson > Siver
Boetsch > Munoz
Craig > Leben
Parke > Tokudome
Barboza > OliveOil
Gonzaga > Herman
Baczynski > Melancon
Pierce > Mitchell

Shouldn't Kennedy be able to sprawls and brawl vs Gracie? Dude's pretty good. Not sure about Parke over Tokudome. However, don't know much about them so whatever.

sooooo Pettis vs Aldo isnt happening ? damn i was looking forward to that

lol weidman sub only +450, there go my plans

Andrew craig over leben imo.

On June 17 2013 17:20 Daut wrote: lol weidman sub only +450, there go my plans

I made a comment about it 6 hours or so in the other thread. Guess you have better things to do than to check LP.net every hour on the hour.

I put $15 on Weidman via submission at +630. I'll be using it as a hedge to my Anderson bets.

I also have separate props on OliveOil (+975) and Swanson (+610) via submission. OliveOil is crafty on the ground, and if he were to beat Edgar, it'd most likely be by submission. Swanson could strike with Siver, however, I have a good feeling he'll take it to the ground as soon as possible and win from there.

I am betting a lot of parlays and Anderson will be in all of them.

My Anderson Silva fanboy ness can not handle the excitement of the rape he is about to put on Weidman. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

Besides that, this card is super deep and there are many many fights I want to see, both main card and prelim. I'm fascinated by the Edgar fight as well as some of the fighters with strong records but small fight sample size. (Craig/Gracie)

I think whoever wins the fight will make it look easy, either Silva toys with Weidman for a round then decides to end the fight in a flashy tko. Or Weidman wrestlefucks him into a submission. Id say 75/25 Silva, but this is deffinately the most exciting Silva fight in like forever.

Overall a solid 8/10 card.

On June 18 2013 05:31 HaiVan wrote: I think whoever wins the fight will make it look easy, either Silva toys with Weidman for a round then decides to end the fight in a flashy tko. Or Weidman wrestlefucks him into a submission. Id say 75/25 Silva, but this is deffinately the most exciting Silva fight in like forever. Overall a solid 8/10 card.

I agree on it being the only exciting Silva fight in like forever but 75/25 are you kidding me? This is at least 90/10.

On June 18 2013 07:00 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 05:31 HaiVan wrote: I think whoever wins the fight will make it look easy, either Silva toys with Weidman for a round then decides to end the fight in a flashy tko. Or Weidman wrestlefucks him into a submission. Id say 75/25 Silva, but this is deffinately the most exciting Silva fight in like forever. Overall a solid 8/10 card. I agree on it being the only exciting Silva fight in like forever but 75/25 are you kidding me? This is at least 90/10.

You seen weidman fight? Andersons biggest weakness is his takedown defense and lack of submission from the bottom game. Weidman is just as good as a wrestler as chael, and he actually does damage from top position. Anderson has been lucky with table draw in fights his whole ufc career. Most fights vs bjj guys/stand up guys who have no wrestling. This is a very dangerous fight for him. id go as far as saying 60/40 for silva just cuz hes the GOAT. But this is a TERRIBLE matchup for him.

Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys.

The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both.

On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both.

your post is pretty stupid. look at silva's last five fights since his debacle @ Abu Dhabi:

sonnen #1, Belfort, Okami, Sonnen #2, bonnar

None of these guys are as good as weidman and I believe the betting line, if anything, is a reflection of anderson hype. The guy has won all of his fights in recent memory in a glorifying fashion, and any/every joe schmoe is gonna look at -260 and unload because its a 'sick price.' If the markets really thought he would stomp weidman then this would have opened much higher around -400 which would imply around an 80% chance of victory as most of the people in this thread think it is.

This is silva's first real opponent in the last three years and given how the markets aren't completely sure of weidman's skill it leads me to believe they think he really will win this fight by setting the line this low compared to public expectations

Weidman is pretty good but he got to the top in a much easier fashion than a lot of other challengers. The only serious wins he has is against Maia (if you even want to consider that given how he shat it up at the end of his MW fighting) and Munoz. Weidman hard lucksacked out of having to fight Vitor who I think would have dominated him pretty hard.

This will be another bader vs jon jones. I cant count how many times i wished silva would get beat up since like 2008. Hes just too good he makes tough guys look like shit.

On June 18 2013 09:54 whamm! wrote: This will be another bader vs jon jones. I cant count how many times i wished silva would get beat up since like 2008. Hes just too good he makes tough guys look like shit.

Baders wrestling was negated by jon jones amazing wrestling. anderson silva has 0 wrestling. Not even close to comparable

On June 18 2013 09:20 RaiNKhAN wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both. your post is pretty stupid. look at silva's last five fights since his debacle @ Abu Dhabi: sonnen #1, Belfort, Okami, Sonnen #2, bonnar None of these guys are as good as weidman and I believe the betting line, if anything, is a reflection of anderson hype. The guy has won all of his fights in recent memory in a glorifying fashion, and any/every joe schmoe is gonna look at -260 and unload because its a 'sick price.' If the markets really thought he would stomp weidman then this would have opened much higher around -400 which would imply around an 80% chance of victory as most of the people in this thread think it is. This is silva's first real opponent in the last three years and given how the markets aren't completely sure of weidman's skill it leads me to believe they think he really will win this fight by setting the line this low compared to public expectations

You know nothing Jon Snow...

Apparently you aren't aware that Silva's line is where it's at due to the fact that he's facing a wrestler, not because Weidman is seen as the next big thing. Wrestlers have always made Silva's line considerably lower than usual. You can go check past lines for that fact. And if you think Weidman is going to wrestle-fuck Silva like Sonnen did, you probably aren't aware that their styles of wrestling aren't the same, especially how they shoot and their aggressiveness.

Also, you assume Weidman is better than Vitor and whomever else without actually seeing him fight great fighters. You're basically one of the Weidman dick riders who I was referring to in my previous post. You assume Weidman can do all these amazing things without actually seeing him do it vs. anyone worth a piss. Weidman could go on to beat Silva, but to even assume he has what it takes just by going off his credentials on paper isn't smart.

On June 18 2013 10:16 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 09:20 RaiNKhAN wrote:   On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both. your post is pretty stupid. look at silva's last five fights since his debacle @ Abu Dhabi: sonnen #1, Belfort, Okami, Sonnen #2, bonnar None of these guys are as good as weidman and I believe the betting line, if anything, is a reflection of anderson hype. The guy has won all of his fights in recent memory in a glorifying fashion, and any/every joe schmoe is gonna look at -260 and unload because its a 'sick price.' If the markets really thought he would stomp weidman then this would have opened much higher around -400 which would imply around an 80% chance of victory as most of the people in this thread think it is. This is silva's first real opponent in the last three years and given how the markets aren't completely sure of weidman's skill it leads me to believe they think he really will win this fight by setting the line this low compared to public expectations You know nothing Jon Snow... Apparently you aren't aware that Silva's line is where it's at due to the fact that he's facing a wrestler, not because Weidman is seen as the next big thing. Wrestlers have always made Silva's line considerably lower than usual. You can go check past lines for that fact. And if you think Weidman is going to wrestle-fuck Silva like Sonnen did, you probably aren't aware that their styles of wrestling aren't the same, especially how they shoot and their aggressiveness. Also, you assume Weidman is better than Vitor and whomever else without actually seeing him fight great fighters. You're basically one of the Weidman dick riders who I was referring to in my previous post. You assume Weidman can do all these amazing things without actually seeing him do it vs. anyone worth a piss. Weidman could go on to beat Silva, but to even assume he has what it takes just by going off his credentials on paper isn't smart.

Had to quote everything individually for you since you can't read nor have any clue what you are talking about

Apparently you aren't aware that Silva's line is where it's at due to the fact that he's facing a wrestler, not because Weidman is seen as the next big thing. Wrestlers have always made Silva's line considerably lower than usual.

Wrong. Demian Maia and Chael Sonnen #1 were both +575/-850 and +375/-450 respectively which are both significantly higher than +230/-260. In his rematch with Chael it dropped to ~+200 Chael purely from public over-reaction and hype from match #1 where all he did was lay on top of him for the entire fight. so that negates your argument.

And if you think Weidman is going to wrestle-fuck Silva like Sonnen did, you probably aren't aware that their styles of wrestling aren't the same, especially how they shoot and their aggressiveness.

Nope. Wrong again. Never said or even cared about any of this non-sense. Silva's time is coming and now he's fighting someone much more dangerous than any of the previous ass clowns he faced in the past.

Also, you assume Weidman is better than Vitor and whomever else without actually seeing him fight great fighters.

Wrong again. This the UFC. Not the NBA, MLB, or NHL where there is enough data and previous history on the players to determine where the line should be. You will never have a total clear picture of what is going to happen so for you to point out the flaw that Weidman lacks experience vs all of Silva's past opponents is moot since there isn't enough time or data for this to happen in UFC due to long lay-offs after each fight.

You're basically one of the Weidman dick riders who I was referring to in my previous post. You assume Weidman can do all these amazing things without actually seeing him do it vs. anyone worth a piss.

Since when has not fighting anyone 'worth a piss' stopped fighters from creating upsets? Remember shane carwin? Similar odds vs Frank Mir to the current Weidman/Silva fight and he pounded his fucking head in.

Anderson Silva is my favorite MMA fighter. There is no doubt about it. He is the only guy I will voluntarily watch without gambling on and that says a lot because I could give two shits about sporting events if i'm not wagering. I knew you were directing your passive-aggressive comments about ufc hype train at me because that's the kind of weak jackass you are lol.

Simply put, I don't like burning money so I'm siding with weidman because I firmly believe weidman takes this and it shoudn't be any higher than 2:1 odds. The reputation of Silva doesn't play into this line IMO as much as it is his resilience to someone find a way to win. The only problem here is that he is fighting someone who is way more prepared than any of his previous guys who all took the fight for the $$$ and not because they are capable of taking him out at near 50/50 probability.

Weidman could go on to beat Silva, but to even assume he has what it takes just by going off his credentials on paper isn't smart.

Obviously as predicted you end your garbage post with something like this to relieve you of any thrashing when Silva ends up losing as a big favorite. This just shows you're scared lol.

I never said anything about Weidman's past credentials, and you assuming so shows you don't know how to read. I pointed out time and time again that this has everything to do with me reading the market and what I have seen in the past with all fighters/general trends. Keep on plucking at your juvenile UFC Hype Train talk as if it has any application at all to me

^ holy fuck that was way too much effort. sigh

go spurs!

On June 18 2013 19:15 RaiNKhAN wrote: go spurs!

this

I agree with PR
Weidman has a good background in wrestling and grappling, but if you watch all his fights, he isn't taking people down effortless, like Sonnen does
I do believe Sonnen is a much better MMA wreslter then Weidman, the difference is that Weidman can finish if he can take Silva down

On June 18 2013 19:15 RaiNKhAN wrote: ^ holy fuck that was way too much effort. sigh go spurs!

I'm not really sure if responding to your long winded post in detail is worth it, since it's clear we won't see eye-to-eye on this fight. Also, I'm not the type to post an essay on why I think various fighters will win, especially when the facts are already out there for someone who's widely considered the #1 pound for pound MMA fighter in the world, so I guess this is a moral victory for you. The only thing I will say is that I don't agree with your post, and good luck with your pick.

weidman has a better chance than chael to beat anderson. not that its for sure >25% or anything, but at least hes not drawing dead like maia, bonnar, okami, forrest, leites or like bisping, stann, wand, boetsch, lombard would be

On June 18 2013 21:00 Daut wrote: weidman has a better chance than chael to beat anderson. not that its for sure >25% or anything, but at least hes not drawing dead like maia, bonnar, okami, forrest, leites or like bisping, stann, wand, boetsch, lombard would be

Wait till after the fight and you might be adding weidman to the list

Why does everyone think Weidman doesnt stand a chance? I mean unless Anderson wasnt trying vs Chael Sonnen the first fight Id say Weidman has a shit load of outs to beat Anderson.

Andersons wrestling just isnt there. Yeah he has subs but against a wrestler its pretty tough. Especially a wrestler who knows jiu jitsu. If anderson gets taken down, I see weidman passing too mount pretty easily.

On June 18 2013 22:54 nerdonpoker wrote: Why does everyone think Weidman doesnt stand a chance? I mean unless Anderson wasnt trying vs Chael Sonnen the first fight Id say Weidman has a shit load of outs to beat Anderson. Andersons wrestling just isnt there. Yeah he has subs but against a wrestler its pretty tough. Especially a wrestler who knows jiu jitsu. If anderson gets taken down, I see weidman passing too mount pretty easily.

you have it slightly backwards. anderson has no shot to sub weidman from the bottom. but he can definitely stop takedowns. but youre right about weidman being able to pass to mount. if he had the position chael did on anderson in their 2nd fight with 3 minutes left he probably finishes the fight with a sub. of course as someone said, i dont think his mma wrestling is as functional as chaels and he is less likely to have that position at that point in the round

at 185 i think vitor and weidman are the only people with a non trivial shot to beat anderson. i dont know exactly what the percentages are, but i assume weidman is somewhere between 15 and 35. i dont think this is 90/10 like some people think, nor do i think anderson is in over his head here. anderson is the clear favorite and is probably going to TKO weidman in the 2nd like he does to everyone, but weidman can win by sub for sure or take it deeper into the fight. surprised how strongly people feel about this fight when its comparable to previous anderson fights but add in a much better submission ability on the ground for his opponent.

I wanted to bet on Weidman but line is closer than I thought it would be.

It's a bit surprising that Anderson is pretty much unanimously considered #1 P4P, yet Jones seems to be a much heavier favorite in his fights recently in arguably a tougher division.

On June 18 2013 23:46 NMcNasty wrote: I wanted to bet on Weidman but line is closer than I thought it would be. It's a bit surprising that Anderson is pretty much unanimously considered #1 P4P, yet Jones seems to be a much heavier favorite in his fights recently in arguably a tougher division.

not to mention, anderson is more beatable. jones is a fighter without any weakness. he really seems straight up unbeatable at 205

We were 40 seconds or something like that, away from seeing Chael become the Light Heavyweight Champion by default, as JJ's toe was barely hanging on and the referee didn't notice it.

Even though JJ's toe will be healed by the time he fights Gustafsson later this year, it would be interesting if Gustafsson stomped on JJ's toes while they were clinched against the fence. I don't remember a fight ever ending via foot stomps, but it's worth a shot!

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Fuck manu ginobili pos rigged

On June 18 2013 09:58 handbanana21 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 09:54 whamm! wrote: This will be another bader vs jon jones. I cant count how many times i wished silva would get beat up since like 2008. Hes just too good he makes tough guys look like shit. Baders wrestling was negated by jon jones amazing wrestling. anderson silva has 0 wrestling. Not even close to comparable

Anderson Silva has 0 wrestling? lol Not that bonnar is a superb wrestler but Silva out-wrestled him and made him look like a child pulling on his leg, only because he doesnt come from a wrestler background or isnt his forté, it doesnt mean he has 0 wrestling, he has a insanely good takedown defense.

On June 19 2013 02:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 09:58 handbanana21 wrote:   On June 18 2013 09:54 whamm! wrote: This will be another bader vs jon jones. I cant count how many times i wished silva would get beat up since like 2008. Hes just too good he makes tough guys look like shit. Baders wrestling was negated by jon jones amazing wrestling. anderson silva has 0 wrestling. Not even close to comparable Anderson Silva has 0 wrestling? lol Not that bonnar is a superb wrestler but Silva out-wrestled him and made him look like a child pulling on his leg, only because he doesnt come from a wrestler background or isnt his forté, it doesnt mean he has 0 wrestling, he has a insanely good takedown defense.

just curious but do people actually factor in these joke opponents when figuring out how good someone like silva is? If these guys played the best competition all the time I think we could more accurately assess how good someone like silva is in each department, but from what I can see they are treating this just like a boxing career where they pad their stats/record by fighting people they simply will not lose to.

“He’ll be just fine,” said Duncan of Ginobili and his 8 turnovers. “He’ll blame himself and put it on himself. That just makes him more aggressive and more ready to play the next one


Fuck.

On June 19 2013 05:00 whamm! wrote: “He’ll be just fine,” said Duncan of Ginobili and his 8 turnovers. “He’ll blame himself and put it on himself. That just makes him more aggressive and more ready to play the next one Fuck.

ya ruff game for spurs users. i didnt see the end but some angry ppl

On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both.

have you really watched any weidman's fight? they were all convincing wins. not saying he will beat anderson, but it's not a case of non sense hype... its legit hype imo.

On June 19 2013 10:51 ilbh wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both. have you really watched any weidman's fight? they were all convincing wins. not saying he will beat anderson, but it's not a case of non sense hype... its legit hype imo.

the only convincing win was against Munoz
he won a split decision in a very close fight vs Maia, all the other fighter he fought were really bad

His fight vs Maia he took on very short notice and spent most of the time cutting weight the week before the fight. He looked visibly sluggish after the 1st round because of that. Maia isn't really an easy win either... especially on short notice.

On June 19 2013 12:31 drone666 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2013 10:51 ilbh wrote:   On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both. have you really watched any weidman's fight? they were all convincing wins. not saying he will beat anderson, but it's not a case of non sense hype... its legit hype imo. the only convincing win was against Munoz he won a split decision in a very close fight vs Maia, all the other fighter he fought were really bad

Not to mention, the fight against Maia was a weird one... Maia had a full camp, but he gassed really early. Weidman was a late replacement, and he gassed too. I don't remember Maia gassing like that before, I'm not sure if he was sick or had an injury. Either way, it's hard to really take anything away from that fight, as neither guy dominated the other.

Munoz is his biggest win, and Munoz got his previous #3 ranking by beating lower level opponents, similar to how Roy Nelson was ranked #5/#6 the other day.

he still showed great cardio, wrestling skills, ground skills, good submission... are you guys really not hyped for the fight? you even made the thread one month earlier lol
imo it's justified hype, silva is still the favorite but weidman can win... he is the toughest fighter to challenge silva in years...

On June 19 2013 04:49 RaiNKhAN wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2013 02:34 Baalim wrote:   On June 18 2013 09:58 handbanana21 wrote:   On June 18 2013 09:54 whamm! wrote: This will be another bader vs jon jones. I cant count how many times i wished silva would get beat up since like 2008. Hes just too good he makes tough guys look like shit. Baders wrestling was negated by jon jones amazing wrestling. anderson silva has 0 wrestling. Not even close to comparable Anderson Silva has 0 wrestling? lol Not that bonnar is a superb wrestler but Silva out-wrestled him and made him look like a child pulling on his leg, only because he doesnt come from a wrestler background or isnt his forté, it doesnt mean he has 0 wrestling, he has a insanely good takedown defense. just curious but do people actually factor in these joke opponents when figuring out how good someone like silva is? If these guys played the best competition all the time I think we could more accurately assess how good someone like silva is in each department, but from what I can see they are treating this just like a boxing career where they pad their stats/record by fighting people they simply will not lose to.

Nobody has referred to Bonnar as having 0 wrestling, most people would probably describe him as an "ok" wrestler, he is one weight class above silva and yet silva outwrestled him like a child, how on earth saying Silva has 0 wrestling makes sense, he has one of the best takedowns defense in MMA, period.

Hard to give an accurate assessment for Weidman since we haven't seen a ton of him. We don't know how he reacts when he's in trouble, we don't know how much heart he has really, don't know how his cardio will be in 5 rounds, don't know how he will deal with an elite striker, how good his chin is etc. He can be anywhere from 20% to 35-40% imo depending on certain unknown factors.

On paper though definitely the biggest threat Anderson has faced in the UFC.

The way he grapple raped Munoz was pretty amazing.

Words cant convince you guys so yeah listen to forrest lol

One of the largest factors playing into weidman's victory will be silva's age and unavoidable decline. Every year he gets older and now the caliber of his opponent is tougher than before. I cannot see how this is good for silva compared to if he fought weidman four+ years ago

Actually I think Silva has looked better than ever recently. His wins over Sonnen 2, Okami, Belfort, and finishing Bonnar whos never been finished. He's shown no signs of slowing down, actually the opposite imo.

"I think" this is Baal's favorite video.

On June 21 2013 19:02 Baalim wrote:

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that video is so unreal good

Why make the thread so early, the waiting is driving me nuts lol.

I need me some top level mma soon damn it.

On June 23 2013 16:49 HaiVan wrote: Why make the thread so early, the waiting is driving me nuts lol. I need me some top level fighting soon damn it.

On June 19 2013 21:26 PuertoRican wrote: "I think" this is Baal's favorite video.

the most unrealistic part about this video is that they tried to make the cote and maia fights seem exciting.

puerto xDDD dont do this, i love elky

I'd bet the house on Elky if they fought again. Elky is ripped right now.

On June 24 2013 12:43 JonnyCosMo wrote: I'd bet the house on Elky if they fought again. Elky is ripped right now.

But can he stop a head kick?

When I originally took Raszi over Elky, I made my bet knowing Raszi would be the skinnier of the two, but would also have the reach advantage.

Raszi used his reach well and was more technical, while Elky got caught up in brawling with his fists.

On June 24 2013 12:43 JonnyCosMo wrote: I'd bet the house on Elky if they fought again. Elky is ripped right now.

that would be like betting on cub swanson at even money vs aldo if they fought again

Elky's problem wasnt conditioning or strenght, he simply was way inferior skill wise, tbh way worse than I expected and Lex is huge and seemed way more comfortable overall.

can someone please make a .gif of raszi's knockout kick ? I find it quite amusing lol

Wrestling alone wont get fighters any belts. George and jbj both have clearly the best striking and timing as well. Weidman is gonna be out cold real quick in this one

Am I the one of the few who think that Weidman has a serious chance to win?

His wrestling might not be as perfect for double leg takedowns as Chael's is but Weidman is much better in submissions.
His Standup is much better than Chael's and he is as agressive and driven as Sonnen.

When I look at all the fighters Silva fought, there is Dan Henderson who might have had a shot but was overwhelmed. Then there was Vitor Belfort who could have posed problems for Silva but we didn't get to that point due to the beautiful frontkick....
And there was Chael Sonnen, who dominanted Anderson for 5 rounds and lost because of his weak submission defense.
In the 2nd fight he was owning Anderson again but then slipped in round 2.
Now imagine a younger version of Chael with a little less good wrestling when it comes to takedowns but much better submissions/submission defense and better hands. There is a decent chance Silva could get dominated again and even submitted.

Lets look at Weidmans important fights:
-He fought Uriah Hall and KOed him in big fashion when his hands were just in the beginning
-He completely outgrappled/outwrestled Tom Lawlor and put him to sleep
-He lost 32pounds on 11days notice vs Damian Maia who is on a title run himself and beat him even tho the weight cut/ and the short camp was a big factor
-He finished Mark Munoz in a way that still makes me look away on the video footage because it's too violent.
Munoz was only finished once by Hamill and that was early on in his career.

GSP believes Weidman will win, his BJJ coach John Donaher said that he has barely ever seen anyone who learns quicker than Weidman. Weidman fought in a BJJ tournament with little to no practise at all as a white belt and submitted all 13 opponents to win the tournament. Even Roger Gracie (arguably #1 in BJJ) says that Weidman can submit him and is dangerous on world class lvl. He wrestled with Phil Davis and Ryan Bader who both fight a weight class above nowdays and won. Weidman has this nice-guy gsp-ish personality of being extremely friendly and soaking up knowledge; gathering the right ppl around him and having a balanced and focused personality. Haven't seen anyone as driven and as fearless in a while and my gut feeling is rarely wrong.

I wanted to place a big bet on weidman if he would have been +400 or so, but all these fighter-hype-videos kinda make the line more balanced and there are dangers, too...

Now lets talk about why I think this is a dangerous bet to make at +200-250:
-He was seriously injured and this is his first shoulder injury even tho he wrestled on a very high level before. He has recovered but who knows if he really is 100% by the time he walks into the octagon
-I see all this high potential of a future title winner but is he good enough right now? Ray Longo and Weidman are very good friends and I am sure Longo is a great trainer.. but can he compete with the workout a GSP, Cain Velasquez, Anderson SIlva or Jon Jones gets in on a daily basis? Is he really pushing himself/getting pushed to that level yet?
-How good is Anderson right now? I think Khan is exaggerating a lot, Silva is still the GOAT even tho I believe Jon Jones is the better fighter.

Tbh I believe Weidman is the most dangerous fighter that Anderson Silva has faced, but I am just not sure if he is healthy/skilled enough to claim that titel yet. In 2 Years Weidman will be much better and Silva will be on a serious age-related decline so this is the best time for Anderson to fight.

If you have a source for +300 to bet on I would be interested

Nobody is arguing Weidman isn't a great fighter.

It's just that Anderson finds a way to humiliate everyone.

^ the line isn't set b/c of ufc-hype related stuff. if that were the case then an enormous amount of sharp money would have pounded the line way back up to where it should have been if that were the case. As is, the line has and still is hovering in mid 200s range. seriously that was one of the dumber things PR has ever said MMA related lol

fisheye I like weidman here a lot but the points you make about not feeling too good about only getting +230ish are strong. fights like these hardly ever offer great prices when so much attention is brought onto it that it allows line makers to be oh so accurate

Hey Puerto Rican, just saw your video and it basically sums up what I posted (haven't seen it before tho).
I am just saying I think a healthy 100% Weidman has a 30-40% chance of winning, maybe more.
It comes down to health, how he handles the pressure (which he seemed to do well but you never know) and if he is able to overcome adversity against Silva, as this is a different kind of adversity than he has faced in wrestling/past mma bouts.

K40Cheddar, I do agree but tbh most fighters that Anderson fought were overhyped or a mismatch.
Damian Maia could have had a chance but his wrestling was too weak back then and might not be on the right level even right now. Weidman has this different aura tho, Chael had it and Jones has it. Velasquez, too.. That look in their eyes where you see the determination and the focus combined with their track record...Never being beaten might make him less hesitant and therefor he could get put to sleep, but on the other hand he will go forward and be as agressive as a man who never felt the pain of defeat inside the ring. If Silva cannot knockout/hurt Weidman early I doubt he will be able to win in 5 rounds. This could be Chael 2.0

Rainkhan I am a total betting fish. Made maybe 3 bets lifetime and won like 3k (soccer).
I thought the lines are

comparable to how Betfair works, depending on who bets on what and that psychology is a big part...

Damn I wish the lines were different but +230 just seems not like a great bet with these unknown factors
Haven't been as excited about a Main Event since JDS vs Velasquez!

fisheye i agree with you almost 100%. if you want to bet on weidman, your best bet is to just wait it out. brazilians always get bet really really hard right before the fight and the line on weidman will probably close at +280

at this point im probably not gonna bet the fight. maybe will bet anderson by TKO and weidman by submission cause i think one of those 2 things will happen almost always.

thinking about it some more, this might be the best fight to try and use some mathematical reasoning to figure out how often certain results happen. i.e. we can guess based on previous fights how often weidman gets a takedown in round 1, how often he gets the submission after that takedown, how much those percentages go down by round and the % anderson finishes him over any given amount of time standing.

I like, "Weidman/Silva won't start round 3" at -115. It's much better than "under 2.5 rounds" at -155.

Weidman's 2 decisions in the UFC were when he took short notice fights; those fights were against Sakara and Maia. Sakara was Weidman's first fight in the UFC.

Anderson's 4 fights in the UFC that started round 3 were against Leites, Maia, Cote, and Sonnen; three of those guys are grappler's with sub-par or no striking at all, during the time. The fight against Cote only lasted 39 seconds into round 3. Also, Anderson's other 12 fights in the UFC ended in the 1st or 2nd round.

wait.. since when was Sonnen dominating fight 2 till he slipped?

Silva was dominating him easily and then he tried a retarded spinning elbow (wtf) and slipped and looked up on Silva with a face of fear, watch it again he might as well tapped before silva pounced with that knee.

On June 26 2013 20:22 Baalim wrote: wait.. since when was Sonnen dominating fight 2 till he slipped? Silva was dominating him easily and then he tried a retarded spinning elbow (wtf) and slipped and looked up on Silva with a face of fear, watch it again he might as well tapped before silva pounced with that knee.

Here's Silva vs. Sonnen #2, in case you guys wanted to watch it again (might need to login to view it): http://www.fights4all.com/anderson-si...-chael-sonnen-ii-video_9ad9bab7a.html

Here's some of his other matches: http://www.fights4all.com/search.php?keywords=Anderson+Silva&btn.x=0&btn.y=0

I just want to clarify that I wasn't talking about Silva/Weidman winning in comparison to the betting line but instead wanted to make a point that even though Weidman is a great prospect and I agree with all his excellent skills some sort of magic is gonna happen and Silva is gonna do his voodoo shit that he always does.

And you guys realize his first fight against Sonnen he had a broken rib right? 2nd Chael fight was a rape fest.

Silva fights greatest threats each year if you listen to rogan or white.

On June 26 2013 20:22 Baalim wrote: wait.. since when was Sonnen dominating fight 2 till he slipped? Silva was dominating him easily and then he tried a retarded spinning elbow (wtf) and slipped and looked up on Silva with a face of fear, watch it again he might as well tapped before silva pounced with that knee.

?

Chael had him down for most of round 1 and got mount. Super easy Chael round.

Round 2 nothing happened other than Silva stuffing a couple of Chael takedowns by grabbing Chaels shorts. Then came the missed elbow slip and finish. Silva hadn't done anything significant in that fight up until that point IIRC.

^ I guess you forgot that Anderson repeatedly rubbed the vaseline off his face and was rubbed his arms and chest prior to the match starting. Yves Lavigne saw this and had to rub Anderson down with a towel after they finished doing the face-off in the center of the cage. Keith Kizer and Lorenzo Fertitta also saw it, as well as Rogan mentioning it on the stream as it happens.

Even with his cheating, I'm still taking Anderson over Weidman. (would be funny to see a DQ for some random shit though)




This image only shows the first rubs, he also rubs his face 2-3 times while facing the camera directly, but you need to watch the fight video for that: http://www.fights4all.com/anderson-si...-chael-sonnen-ii-video_9ad9bab7a.html

On June 26 2013 23:11 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2013 20:22 Baalim wrote: wait.. since when was Sonnen dominating fight 2 till he slipped? Silva was dominating him easily and then he tried a retarded spinning elbow (wtf) and slipped and looked up on Silva with a face of fear, watch it again he might as well tapped before silva pounced with that knee. ? Chael had him down for most of round 1 and got mount. Super easy Chael round. Round 2 nothing happened other than Silva stuffing a couple of Chael takedowns by grabbing Chaels shorts. Then came the missed elbow slip and finish. Silva hadn't done anything significant in that fight up until that point IIRC.

this. chael had mount for i believe 2 minutes and silva neutralized him there. he was close to locking up an arm triangle if i remember right but silva just held on tight and chael rode out the round. anyway, if weidman got that position with that much time left, he would be near 50% to get the sub i think

I was browsing some Weidman stuff on youtube and came across this one, sick armbar:

Yea I think Weidman has a decent chance. Don't like the betting lines though.

I'm thinking of betting Kennedy over Gracie and Boetsch over Munoz. First one as a decent favourite and 2nd one as a slight underdog. Any thoughts?

Kenndy decisioned Jacare who's probably a lot like a better version of Gracie when it comes to MMA and Boetsch has looked like a monster lately except for the last fight while I haven't been impressed by Munoz.

On June 26 2013 23:11 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2013 20:22 Baalim wrote: wait.. since when was Sonnen dominating fight 2 till he slipped? Silva was dominating him easily and then he tried a retarded spinning elbow (wtf) and slipped and looked up on Silva with a face of fear, watch it again he might as well tapped before silva pounced with that knee. ? Chael had him down for most of round 1 and got mount. Super easy Chael round. Round 2 nothing happened other than Silva stuffing a couple of Chael takedowns by grabbing Chaels shorts. Then came the missed elbow slip and finish. Silva hadn't done anything significant in that fight up until that point IIRC.

wut... i dont even remember the mount lol, need to watch it again.

Jeah Chael rocked round 1 and round 2 was Chael trying to get a takedown but getting stuffed.. Until he slipped the round was pretty open and then Silva unleashed his deadly hands and Chael just couldn't handle it.. Chael won a total of 6 rounds, lost 1 round in 2 fights. If Chael had better submission defense and submissions himself he might be #1 at 185. He looked like a toy vs Jon Jones, and thats scary. Imagine a guy that can wrestle with Chael and take HIM down, has more reach, better submissions/submission defense and godly standup and on top of that transitions almost as good as GSP -> Jon Jones

No matter who wins Weidman vs Silva, I don't believe the winner is even 40% to win vs Jones

Btw. is any of you Anderson Fanboys interested in a direct bet vig free?

K40Cheddar or so ?

I like dusty's thinking on looking @ other fights as well. id make other picks but that never ends well

pick of the card: weidman +200 or higher. i see this closing lower than the +236 it currently is at

If I'm wrong I'll draw a picture of a man tipping his hat on MSpaint

On June 27 2013 02:42 FiSheYe wrote: Btw. is any of you Anderson Fanboys interested in a direct bet vig free? K40Cheddar or so ?

I'm not an Anderson fan-boy, but I'll put $100 on him to beat Weidman.

Do you use PayPal? I assume you don't have a Wells Fargo bank account since you're European.

On June 27 2013 02:42 FiSheYe wrote: Btw. is any of you Anderson Fanboys interested in a direct bet vig free? K40Cheddar or so ?

Not an Anderson fanboy either, infact ive been rooting for his oppenents since like forever, but i might be interested in a smallish (~100$) vig free bet.

What would the vig free odds look like?

Saw someone else post this pic of Anderson vs. Carlos Newton.

Sweet KO to say the least.

The line is insanely low right now. But I would be interested in betting Weidman at +250 even tho it seems like a bad bet, who is in ?

What exactly did you mean by vig free? I assumed you meant you wanted to bet Anderson/Weidman straight up, as in "even odds." If you aren't giving even odds on Silva, then I will just continue betting Anderson at 5dimes, where his ML is -240, and his KO/TKO prop is -140.

Right now, you can get Weidman at +218 on Pinnacle. Also, Weidman's line will get better as the fight gets closer, mostly on fight day, because a lot of people always bet Anderson at the last minute.

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Grumble, this thread being at the top made me think I had mistaken the date and it was THIS week instead of next

On June 28 2013 21:29 PuertoRican wrote: What exactly did you mean by vig free? I assumed you meant you wanted to bet Anderson/Weidman straight up, as in "even odds." If you aren't giving even odds on Silva, then I will just continue betting Anderson at 5dimes, where his ML is -240, and his KO/TKO prop is -140. Right now, you can get Weidman at +218 on Pinnacle. Also, Weidman's line will get better as the fight gets closer, mostly on fight day, because a lot of people always bet Anderson at the last minute. ----------

Vig is rake or juice.. . O.o

On June 28 2013 23:41 JonnyCosMo wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2013 21:29 PuertoRican wrote: What exactly did you mean by vig free? I assumed you meant you wanted to bet Anderson/Weidman straight up, as in "even odds." If you aren't giving even odds on Silva, then I will just continue betting Anderson at 5dimes, where his ML is -240, and his KO/TKO prop is -140. Right now, you can get Weidman at +218 on Pinnacle. Also, Weidman's line will get better as the fight gets closer, mostly on fight day, because a lot of people always bet Anderson at the last minute. ---------- Vig is rake or juice.. . O.o

Ah, okay, thanks for the clarification. I never really used the term "vig" when I used to play poker, and, it's never used in MMA betting afaik.

As far as "juice" goes, I always say that "you don't have to worry about the juice if you ain't payin' it." I assumed that Fisheye was offering even odds on Anderson/Weidman, which then I would obviously take him up on his offer.

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UFC 162 Factgrinder: The Wrestling of Chris Weidman

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/6/28/...rinder-the-wrestling-of-chris-weidman

not even weidman's mom would offer even odds on the fight. if a line is -100/-120, the vig free line is about -108, so both guys get a better line than they would otherwise

On June 29 2013 01:57 Daut wrote: not even weidman's mom would offer even odds on the fight. if a line is -100/-120, the vig free line is about -108, so both guys get a better line than they would otherwise

nothing is ever -100, however sometimes pinnacle will hang juice on both sides of MMA fights such as -101/-116 or -106/-106 as the similar likes of these. it would be +100/-120 in your example which yields the vig free line of +109/-109. in the twoplustwo sportsbetting threads we would use the link below to get the pinnacle vig free line on a bet. if both sides were juiced as -106/-106 or -101/-116 like above, then both bettors would ignore the juice and take their sides at +100 each since it benefits both of them to bet at even money vs each other instead of taking -101 or -116 on the sportsbook themselves.

http://0vigcalc.150m.com/calc.htm

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 29 2013 01:57 Daut wrote: not even weidman's mom would offer even odds on the fight. if a line is -100/-120, the vig free line is about -108, so both guys get a better line than they would otherwise

Oh, I think I understand now.

This sounds like the "reduced juice" program that 5dimes offers to every member. Reduced juice lines for UFC events are available 1-2 days before the start date, depending on the UFC card. I use the reduced juice line for a decent amount of my bets.

Guess I'll pass on Fisheye's offer then.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1687489-killing-the-king-anderson-silva

great article on anderson's possible weaknesses standing

Rainkhan: Not sure if you have seen it, but might be interesting to you as betting maniac

People often ask me about my thought process when picking MMA fights...

I tell them that I wait to see what RainKhan bets, then bet the other side

Cosmopolis, taking the opposite of any punter's picks will yield a negative expectation in the long run as betting lines are set to yield a breakeven % at picking while losing to the vigorish.

Though misguided as you may be here, I am thoughtfully concerned at your increase in angerism towards one "rainkhan" at this moment in time.

I wanna bet on Anderson vig free... $100ish too. Not cuz i love the odds but cuz i want a sweat.

anyone?

On June 29 2013 09:52 Daut wrote: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1687489-killing-the-king-anderson-silva great article on anderson's possible weaknesses standing

loved the Analysis but who in the fuck has that skillset that will force silva to be worried about the takedown and exploit those minor holes in the striking, the few wrestler that would force silva to fight off stance dont have the striking to do what he advices and viceversa.

On June 30 2013 19:15 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 09:52 Daut wrote: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1687489-killing-the-king-anderson-silva great article on anderson's possible weaknesses standing loved the Analysis but who in the fuck has that skillset that will force silva to be worried about the takedown and exploit those minor holes in the striking, the few wrestler that would force silva to fight off stance dont have the striking to do what he advices and viceversa.

But but... Weidman elbow-KO`ed the amazing Mark Munoz! His striking is obviously on par or better than Anderson's...

Weidman is going to show everyone that his striking is top notch, and exploit the holes in Anderson's striking-game that nobody else in the UFC has been able to do.

By the way, did you know that Anderson is OLD? I bet you weren't aware how old Anderson is, and that this is the fight where he will finally slow down and get taken out.

sarcasm-o-meter blew up

Silva can loose and its only if he gets wrestlefucked, but there is no fucking way that somebody is going to exploit his rolling by throwing combinations with the same arm ffs.

Actually if you see Okami he throws many jab-jab combos and Silva rolls left/right but still dodges it effortelessly even when he is rolling on the opposite side he should.

The guy says that Silva easily exploited Belfort's pumping style striking well, Belfort is probably the 2nd best striker in middle weight and if he is easily exploited by Silva who in the fuck is going to exploit silva in the standup, a professional boxer only.

On June 30 2013 20:16 Baalim wrote: sarcasm-o-meter blew up Silva can loose and its only if he gets wrestlefucked, but there is no fucking way that somebody is going to exploit his rolling by throwing combinations with the same arm ffs. Actually if you see Okami he throws many jab-jab combos and Silva rolls left/right but still dodges it effortelessly even when he is rolling on the opposite side he should. The guy says that Silva easily exploited Belfort's pumping style striking well, Belfort is probably the 2nd best striker in middle weight and if he is easily exploited by Silva who in the fuck is going to exploit silva in the standup, a professional boxer only.

I plan to be betting $2 across the board on all of my 27 MMA picks and MMA parlays. 5dimes has all the current lines up to date. weidman is dead money, anderson silva is GOAT

God damnit just when i thought Silva was going to win Khan roots for him, he is doomed now

Still think Silva may lose here, can't wait to see this fight

Lol the Weidman hype train is even bigger than the Dan Hardy hypetrain before the GSP fight.
Back then a lot of people thought Hardy has a legit chance.
I was like no fucking way Hardy doesnt even belong in this fight and has zero outs !

Now even at my Gym half the MMA fighters suddenly think Weidman will win >-<
I say Silva by KO

But i hope for Weidman
Just dont see it happening

On July 01 2013 08:18 PplusAD wrote: Lol the Weidman hype train is even bigger than the Dan Hardy hypetrain before the GSP fight. Back then a lot of people thought Hardy has a legit chance. I was like no fucking way Hardy doesnt even belong in this fight and has zero outs ! Now even at my Gym half the MMA fighters suddenly think Weidman will win >-< I say Silva by KO But i hope for Weidman Just dont see it happening

Dude, there is a world of difference between the skill levels of Hardy and Weidman.

Hardy had a somewhat decent standup and nothing else really, Weidmans bjj and wrestling are legit as fuck, his standup is not bad either, he probably couldnt hang with Silva standing for a long period of time, but he has a decent chance of taking him down and subbing him.

Baalim, with correct odds I would be willing to bet against you. Maybe someone neutral gives us a vig free line that seems fair and we can agree on it ? Throwing in some money might juice it up for me, but with current odds I am not interested in betting big on Weidman anymore.

On July 01 2013 08:58 HaiVan wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 08:18 PplusAD wrote: Lol the Weidman hype train is even bigger than the Dan Hardy hypetrain before the GSP fight. Back then a lot of people thought Hardy has a legit chance. I was like no fucking way Hardy doesnt even belong in this fight and has zero outs ! Now even at my Gym half the MMA fighters suddenly think Weidman will win >-< I say Silva by KO But i hope for Weidman Just dont see it happening Dude, there is a world of difference between the skill levels of Hardy and Weidman. Hardy had a somewhat decent standup and nothing else really, Weidmans bjj and wrestling are legit as fuck, his standup is not bad either, he probably couldnt hang with Silva standing for a long period of time, but he has a decent chance of taking him down and subbing him.

Lol

Ofc Weidman is much better than Dan Hardy...
That wasnt my point.

My Point is that Anderson Silva is still much better than Weidman
And should be a hughe favourite.
But the Hypetrain for Weidman has gotten out of control .... he is like +200 currently
And every 2nd Person i know thinks Weidman has a solid chance to win.

Silva comes of 4 spectacular KO wins and has looked better than ever he is undefeated for years and probably the best mixed martial artist P4P
Silva is just unreal good.

Weidman has only fought 2 good guys so far

Weidman has a great chance to win. MMA is all about styles, and this is about as bad of a match-up for Anderson as Chael was. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised at a Weidman by decision result. If he can get a takedown in 3 of the 5 rounds he'll basically win those rounds caz Anderson has never shown any chance of getting up off his back once he is down there. All he does is try to stall and hope the ref stands them up. We'll know if Weidman is a -300 favorite or a +1000 dog after the first round imo, If Anderson can stuff enough takedowns and keep it on the feet, like the second round of his second fight w Chael, then Weidman is fucked. The most over-hyped part of this fight is people thinking Weidman will have a prayer of a chance at standing with Anderson.

I think Weidman will be able to land atleast 3 takedowns in this 5 round fight. And that's why Weidman has won my bet.

On July 01 2013 08:18 PplusAD wrote: Lol the Weidman hype train is even bigger than the Dan Hardy hypetrain before the GSP fight. Back then a lot of people thought Hardy has a legit chance. I was like no fucking way Hardy doesnt even belong in this fight and has zero outs ! Now even at my Gym half the MMA fighters suddenly think Weidman will win >-< I say Silva by KO But i hope for Weidman Just dont see it happening

lol what people do you discuss MMA with? It was pretty much universal agreement that Dan Hardy was drawing nearly dead in that fight save a super lucky punch.

Pretty surprised Lyoto gave no prediction. Wonder if he's butthurt that Anderson pretty much picked Jones to beat him.

On July 01 2013 12:37 FiSheYe wrote: Baalim, with correct odds I would be willing to bet against you. Maybe someone neutral gives us a vig free line that seems fair and we can agree on it ? Throwing in some money might juice it up for me, but with current odds I am not interested in betting big on Weidman anymore.

well its pretty simple, we just meet halfway pinnacle odds, to make it simple i wanna bet enough to book $100 if Silva wins, let me know if you agree or somebody else wants to.

On July 01 2013 18:23 Stim_Abuser wrote: Pretty surprised Lyoto gave no prediction. Wonder if he's butthurt that Anderson pretty much picked Jones to beat him.

If a brazilian didnt blindly root for his countryman theres gotta be something else going on for sure.

Only Andrew Craig opened with a good line, everything else seemed kind of one sided. I missed the Craig opening line though.

By the way, the odds/line chart above automatically updates. I know some people have said, "I thought I saw Leben at -150 earlier..."

On July 01 2013 18:44 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 12:37 FiSheYe wrote: Baalim, with correct odds I would be willing to bet against you. Maybe someone neutral gives us a vig free line that seems fair and we can agree on it ? Throwing in some money might juice it up for me, but with current odds I am not interested in betting big on Weidman anymore. well its pretty simple, we just meet halfway pinnacle odds, to make it simple i wanna bet enough to book $100 if Silva wins, let me know if you agree or somebody else wants to.

FYI halfway isnt really halfway.

example. suppose an outrageous scenario where one fighter is +100 and the other is -900. the "midpoint" of these is +/- 500. however, fighter A is 50% to win based on the line and fighter A is 10% to win based on the other line, thus. the midpoint of these % is 30%, which corresponds to +/- 233. to find vig free line you have to do it in this method, not just by cutting the difference in half

No one thought Dan Hardy had a chance. Vegas had him as a huge dog to GSP.

On July 01 2013 20:19 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 18:44 Baalim wrote:   On July 01 2013 12:37 FiSheYe wrote: Baalim, with correct odds I would be willing to bet against you. Maybe someone neutral gives us a vig free line that seems fair and we can agree on it ? Throwing in some money might juice it up for me, but with current odds I am not interested in betting big on Weidman anymore. well its pretty simple, we just meet halfway pinnacle odds, to make it simple i wanna bet enough to book $100 if Silva wins, let me know if you agree or somebody else wants to. FYI halfway isnt really halfway. example. suppose an outrageous scenario where one fighter is +100 and the other is -900. the "midpoint" of these is +/- 500. however, fighter A is 50% to win based on the line and fighter A is 10% to win based on the other line, thus. the midpoint of these % is 30%, which corresponds to +/- 233. to find vig free line you have to do it in this method, not just by cutting the difference in half

I knew it wasnt exact, but thanks for clarifying it

chris leben is my favorite fighter to watch

Daut, thanks for explaining, could you provide a fair line as well please?

for fair line - input the odds for both lines - add the total % together - then find the line that adds half the extra % to each

http://www.sbrforum.com/betting-tools/odds-converter/

yeah convert the american odds to % to win and we settle mid point of the %.

This bet is open for anyone, lots of Weidman fanboys not taking this bet, wtf is going on guys

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^ The UFC is really trying their best to promote Anderson/Weidman...

Smart move, obviously. A lot of people are going to be butt-hurt when Weidman loses.

im curious if Anderson got tagged with that hook cuz it looks too late to dodge : p

Do you think these fighters are nervous 3 days prior to the fight?

On July 04 2013 00:42 liedarkhorse wrote: Do you think these fighters are nervous 3 days prior to the fight?

facepalmjaypeg.

On July 04 2013 00:42 liedarkhorse wrote: Do you think these fighters are nervous 3 days prior to the fight?

Some fighters said they get nervous, but they feel fine once they are walking to the cage or once they step foot into the cage.

None of them are scared to fight or get hit, but they probably get nervous about losing; especially nowadays where the UFC isn't afraid to cut anyone after a loss because they have a big roster of fighters.

Fast forward to 28:20 of the video. Anderson lets Weidman hold the belt with him.