UFC 162: Silva vs Weidman - Page 2

On June 18 2013 19:15 RaiNKhAN wrote: go spurs!

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I agree with PR
Weidman has a good background in wrestling and grappling, but if you watch all his fights, he isn't taking people down effortless, like Sonnen does
I do believe Sonnen is a much better MMA wreslter then Weidman, the difference is that Weidman can finish if he can take Silva down

On June 18 2013 19:15 RaiNKhAN wrote: ^ holy fuck that was way too much effort. sigh go spurs!

I'm not really sure if responding to your long winded post in detail is worth it, since it's clear we won't see eye-to-eye on this fight. Also, I'm not the type to post an essay on why I think various fighters will win, especially when the facts are already out there for someone who's widely considered the #1 pound for pound MMA fighter in the world, so I guess this is a moral victory for you. The only thing I will say is that I don't agree with your post, and good luck with your pick.

weidman has a better chance than chael to beat anderson. not that its for sure >25% or anything, but at least hes not drawing dead like maia, bonnar, okami, forrest, leites or like bisping, stann, wand, boetsch, lombard would be

On June 18 2013 21:00 Daut wrote: weidman has a better chance than chael to beat anderson. not that its for sure >25% or anything, but at least hes not drawing dead like maia, bonnar, okami, forrest, leites or like bisping, stann, wand, boetsch, lombard would be

Wait till after the fight and you might be adding weidman to the list

Why does everyone think Weidman doesnt stand a chance? I mean unless Anderson wasnt trying vs Chael Sonnen the first fight Id say Weidman has a shit load of outs to beat Anderson.

Andersons wrestling just isnt there. Yeah he has subs but against a wrestler its pretty tough. Especially a wrestler who knows jiu jitsu. If anderson gets taken down, I see weidman passing too mount pretty easily.

On June 18 2013 22:54 nerdonpoker wrote: Why does everyone think Weidman doesnt stand a chance? I mean unless Anderson wasnt trying vs Chael Sonnen the first fight Id say Weidman has a shit load of outs to beat Anderson. Andersons wrestling just isnt there. Yeah he has subs but against a wrestler its pretty tough. Especially a wrestler who knows jiu jitsu. If anderson gets taken down, I see weidman passing too mount pretty easily.

you have it slightly backwards. anderson has no shot to sub weidman from the bottom. but he can definitely stop takedowns. but youre right about weidman being able to pass to mount. if he had the position chael did on anderson in their 2nd fight with 3 minutes left he probably finishes the fight with a sub. of course as someone said, i dont think his mma wrestling is as functional as chaels and he is less likely to have that position at that point in the round

at 185 i think vitor and weidman are the only people with a non trivial shot to beat anderson. i dont know exactly what the percentages are, but i assume weidman is somewhere between 15 and 35. i dont think this is 90/10 like some people think, nor do i think anderson is in over his head here. anderson is the clear favorite and is probably going to TKO weidman in the 2nd like he does to everyone, but weidman can win by sub for sure or take it deeper into the fight. surprised how strongly people feel about this fight when its comparable to previous anderson fights but add in a much better submission ability on the ground for his opponent.

I wanted to bet on Weidman but line is closer than I thought it would be.

It's a bit surprising that Anderson is pretty much unanimously considered #1 P4P, yet Jones seems to be a much heavier favorite in his fights recently in arguably a tougher division.

On June 18 2013 23:46 NMcNasty wrote: I wanted to bet on Weidman but line is closer than I thought it would be. It's a bit surprising that Anderson is pretty much unanimously considered #1 P4P, yet Jones seems to be a much heavier favorite in his fights recently in arguably a tougher division.

not to mention, anderson is more beatable. jones is a fighter without any weakness. he really seems straight up unbeatable at 205

We were 40 seconds or something like that, away from seeing Chael become the Light Heavyweight Champion by default, as JJ's toe was barely hanging on and the referee didn't notice it.

Even though JJ's toe will be healed by the time he fights Gustafsson later this year, it would be interesting if Gustafsson stomped on JJ's toes while they were clinched against the fence. I don't remember a fight ever ending via foot stomps, but it's worth a shot!

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Fuck manu ginobili pos rigged

On June 18 2013 09:58 handbanana21 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 09:54 whamm! wrote: This will be another bader vs jon jones. I cant count how many times i wished silva would get beat up since like 2008. Hes just too good he makes tough guys look like shit. Baders wrestling was negated by jon jones amazing wrestling. anderson silva has 0 wrestling. Not even close to comparable

Anderson Silva has 0 wrestling? lol Not that bonnar is a superb wrestler but Silva out-wrestled him and made him look like a child pulling on his leg, only because he doesnt come from a wrestler background or isnt his forté, it doesnt mean he has 0 wrestling, he has a insanely good takedown defense.

On June 19 2013 02:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 09:58 handbanana21 wrote:   On June 18 2013 09:54 whamm! wrote: This will be another bader vs jon jones. I cant count how many times i wished silva would get beat up since like 2008. Hes just too good he makes tough guys look like shit. Baders wrestling was negated by jon jones amazing wrestling. anderson silva has 0 wrestling. Not even close to comparable Anderson Silva has 0 wrestling? lol Not that bonnar is a superb wrestler but Silva out-wrestled him and made him look like a child pulling on his leg, only because he doesnt come from a wrestler background or isnt his forté, it doesnt mean he has 0 wrestling, he has a insanely good takedown defense.

just curious but do people actually factor in these joke opponents when figuring out how good someone like silva is? If these guys played the best competition all the time I think we could more accurately assess how good someone like silva is in each department, but from what I can see they are treating this just like a boxing career where they pad their stats/record by fighting people they simply will not lose to.

“He’ll be just fine,” said Duncan of Ginobili and his 8 turnovers. “He’ll blame himself and put it on himself. That just makes him more aggressive and more ready to play the next one


Fuck.

On June 19 2013 05:00 whamm! wrote: “He’ll be just fine,” said Duncan of Ginobili and his 8 turnovers. “He’ll blame himself and put it on himself. That just makes him more aggressive and more ready to play the next one Fuck.

ya ruff game for spurs users. i didnt see the end but some angry ppl

On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both.

have you really watched any weidman's fight? they were all convincing wins. not saying he will beat anderson, but it's not a case of non sense hype... its legit hype imo.

On June 19 2013 10:51 ilbh wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both. have you really watched any weidman's fight? they were all convincing wins. not saying he will beat anderson, but it's not a case of non sense hype... its legit hype imo.

the only convincing win was against Munoz
he won a split decision in a very close fight vs Maia, all the other fighter he fought were really bad

His fight vs Maia he took on very short notice and spent most of the time cutting weight the week before the fight. He looked visibly sluggish after the 1st round because of that. Maia isn't really an easy win either... especially on short notice.

On June 19 2013 12:31 drone666 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2013 10:51 ilbh wrote:   On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both. have you really watched any weidman's fight? they were all convincing wins. not saying he will beat anderson, but it's not a case of non sense hype... its legit hype imo. the only convincing win was against Munoz he won a split decision in a very close fight vs Maia, all the other fighter he fought were really bad

Not to mention, the fight against Maia was a weird one... Maia had a full camp, but he gassed really early. Weidman was a late replacement, and he gassed too. I don't remember Maia gassing like that before, I'm not sure if he was sick or had an injury. Either way, it's hard to really take anything away from that fight, as neither guy dominated the other.

Munoz is his biggest win, and Munoz got his previous #3 ranking by beating lower level opponents, similar to how Roy Nelson was ranked #5/#6 the other day.

he still showed great cardio, wrestling skills, ground skills, good submission... are you guys really not hyped for the fight? you even made the thread one month earlier lol
imo it's justified hype, silva is still the favorite but weidman can win... he is the toughest fighter to challenge silva in years...