UFC 162: Silva vs Weidman - Page 16

On July 07 2013 23:38 Stim_Abuser wrote: A lot of people are so results orientated and retarded. Silva has reasons for dropping his hands. He is a counter striker, and him dropping his hands eggs people in to trying to hit him so he can do what he does best. He's done it against several of the best fighters in the world and clowned them. He is the goat, and he accomplished much of that by fighting that way. Also having his hands really low helps him with his TDD, a LOT. Silva's antics were designed to make Weidman try to strike with him instead of try to take him down, and it worked. Weidman just did an amazing job and staying composed and firing off good combos and moving in and out so Silva couldn't counter him. Also LOL at it looking fishy, Silva's eyes roll into the back of his head. Yea, I'm sure he purposefully got a concussion. Ridiculous. Weidman won every second of that fight pretty much. Silva landed like 2 leg kicks total in that fight. Weidman dodged a lot of his punches, and landed a lot of big shots other than the KO shot. Weidman dominated that fight. It was just not some lucky punch that was only due to Silva showboating.

so, if there's a rematch, do you think that Weidman line will come as he's favorite ??? lol

I don't know about betting Weidman in a rematch b/c you won't be getting 2:1 and shit, so fukk that. weidman and pinnacle can go fukk themselves if that's the case and i'll just bet on one of the thiagos or decoy silvas vs some random white guy or some shit getting +odds and shit

On July 08 2013 00:23 drone666 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 23:38 Stim_Abuser wrote: A lot of people are so results orientated and retarded. Silva has reasons for dropping his hands. He is a counter striker, and him dropping his hands eggs people in to trying to hit him so he can do what he does best. He's done it against several of the best fighters in the world and clowned them. He is the goat, and he accomplished much of that by fighting that way. Also having his hands really low helps him with his TDD, a LOT. Silva's antics were designed to make Weidman try to strike with him instead of try to take him down, and it worked. Weidman just did an amazing job and staying composed and firing off good combos and moving in and out so Silva couldn't counter him. Also LOL at it looking fishy, Silva's eyes roll into the back of his head. Yea, I'm sure he purposefully got a concussion. Ridiculous. Weidman won every second of that fight pretty much. Silva landed like 2 leg kicks total in that fight. Weidman dodged a lot of his punches, and landed a lot of big shots other than the KO shot. Weidman dominated that fight. It was just not some lucky punch that was only due to Silva showboating. so, if there's a rematch, do you think that Weidman line will come as he's favorite ??? lol

Hard to say, I hope not. Probably be around even money though.

People need to realize if Silva keeps his hands up he's just going to be way easier to take down. Him keeping his hands up isn't like some giant improvement for him, probably a downgrade vs a grappler like weidman.

Unless Weidman Gasses, Silva gon be in trouble.

On July 08 2013 00:19 Target-x17 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 10:39 PuertoRican wrote:   On July 07 2013 04:18 Target-x17 wrote: rewatched the knockout looks like silva got ko'ed by the old flicker jab and alot of over confidence. Basicly he thought his quick second right was his left hand and didnt think he had a huge left hook avaliable Look at Anderson's feet position when Weidman barely touches his chin. He's standing square in front of him instead of in a striking stance. He basically forgot or just miscalculated his steps and assumed he wouldn't get chased any further. Im sure that played a factor but the second fast off balance right hand jab in arow ( his last punch before the big left that ended it) made anderson think that was his left so he didnt think an overhand left was even possible so fast thats why he was so open. Was a pretty good combo

THIS.

Actually the analysis that Daut posted predicted this fight and said Anderson was very vulnerable to left/left or right/right combos since he is always rolling side to side, and he did, Weidman threw two rights and he dodged to the opposite side and Weidman caught him.

Crazy analysis I dont think Weidman did it on purpose actually his 2nd right was a silly backfist

Stim_Abuser your opinion is also biased. People aint mad because Silva lost, nor that he lost cause his guard is down ... thats his style, whats annoying is the guy purposely clowned around in absolutely retarded spots and practically didnt fulfil his duties of actually fighting. He did deserve to get knocked the fuck out like that because of that tho

On July 08 2013 03:59 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 00:23 drone666 wrote:   On July 07 2013 23:38 Stim_Abuser wrote: A lot of people are so results orientated and retarded. Silva has reasons for dropping his hands. He is a counter striker, and him dropping his hands eggs people in to trying to hit him so he can do what he does best. He's done it against several of the best fighters in the world and clowned them. He is the goat, and he accomplished much of that by fighting that way. Also having his hands really low helps him with his TDD, a LOT. Silva's antics were designed to make Weidman try to strike with him instead of try to take him down, and it worked. Weidman just did an amazing job and staying composed and firing off good combos and moving in and out so Silva couldn't counter him. Also LOL at it looking fishy, Silva's eyes roll into the back of his head. Yea, I'm sure he purposefully got a concussion. Ridiculous. Weidman won every second of that fight pretty much. Silva landed like 2 leg kicks total in that fight. Weidman dodged a lot of his punches, and landed a lot of big shots other than the KO shot. Weidman dominated that fight. It was just not some lucky punch that was only due to Silva showboating. so, if there's a rematch, do you think that Weidman line will come as he's favorite ??? lol Hard to say, I hope not. Probably be around even money though. People need to realize if Silva keeps his hands up he's just going to be way easier to take down. Him keeping his hands up isn't like some giant improvement for him, probably a downgrade vs a grappler like weidman. Unless Weidman Gasses, Silva gon be in trouble.

yea, so Weidman dominated the fight, Silva was clowning because he was getting frustrated, and the new odds will be even or Silva will be the favorite ?? lol, makes no sense at all
I was going to propose you a bet if you said that Weidman would come as a favorite, but you chickened out after your in depth analysis

awesome video, I think it fits here in the discussion

Chris Weidman: $48,000 (includes $24,000 win bonus)
def. Anderson Silva: $600,000

Frankie Edgar: $240,000 (includes $120,000 win bonus)
def. Charles Oliveira: $21,000

Tim Kennedy: $90,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus)
def. Roger Gracie: $50,000

Mark Munoz: $84,000 (includes $42,000 win bonus)
def. Tim Boetsch: $37,000

Cub Swanson: $58,000 (includes $29,000 win bonus)
def. Dennis Siver: $33,000

Andrew Craig: $24,000 (includes $12,000 win bonus)
def. Chris Leben: $51,000

Norman Parke: $30,000 (includes $15,000 win bonus)
def. Kazuki Tokudome: $8,000

Gabriel Gonzaga: $58,000 (includes $29,000 win bonus)
def. Dave Herman: $23,000

Edson Barboza: $46,000 (includes $23,000 win bonus)
def. Rafaello Oliveira: $14,000

Brian Melancon: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus)
def. Seth Baczynski: $16,000

Mike Pierce: $56,000 (includes $28,000 win bonus)
def. David Mitchell: $10,000

Now, the usual disclaimer: The figures do not include deductions for items such as insurance, licenses and taxes. Additionally, the figures do not include money paid by sponsors, which can oftentimes be a substantial portion of a fighter's income. They also do not include any other "locker room" or special discretionary bonuses the UFC oftentimes pays. They also do not include portions of the pay-per-view revenue that some top-level fighters receive.

For example, as previously reported, UFC officials handed out additional $50,000 UFC 162 bonuses to Weidman ("KO of the Night") and Swanson, Siver, Edgar and Oliveira ("Fight of the Night").

In other words, the above figures are simply base salaries reported to the commission and do not reflect entire compensation packages for the event.

Rematch seems so meh to me. I'd much rather still see Anderson take some time off and try and reboot his legacy in one of the superfights.

If there's a rematch and Anderson wins we're just right back where we were, except with a less spectacular champion.

If there's a rematch and Weidman wins, no one is surprised this time and Anderson is done.

I just don't see it being exciting either way.

Some sick fights I'd like to see: Dominick Cruz vs Renan Barao, Gray Maynard Vs Frankie 3, Cain vs Werdum

Silva appears to be out for a split second there in the first round.

Rewatching the fight a couple of times you start to realize how little Silva did in that fight, all the showboating and he managed to land a couple of leg kicks.

in before silva rego wierdum and pwn him with a flurry of punches in rematch.

Look at Jon Jones' face at 1:39.

That's the face you have after you lose millions in a split-second.

Pretty good article on Weidmans striking in that fight by the very good striking analysis Jack Slack. Pretty crazy how that super ugly back handed jab was so effective and was such a great set up for the KO

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1695987-ufc-162-how-chris-weidman-killed-the-king

On July 08 2013 17:40 HaiVan wrote: Silva appears to be out for a split second there in the first round. Rewatching the fight a couple of times you start to realize how little Silva did in that fight, all the showboating and he managed to land a couple of leg kicks.

Whoa.... that's actually really crazy, he went out for a split second there it looked like

On July 08 2013 19:01 PuertoRican wrote: Look at Jon Jones' face at 1:39. That's the face you have after you lose millions in a split-second.

ROFL that is definitely the face of losing a huge bet for sure

UFC 165 Jon Jones vs Alexander Gustafsson official

On July 08 2013 14:45 RaiNKhAN wrote: Some sick fights I'd like to see: Dominick Cruz vs Renan Barao, Gray Maynard Vs Frankie 3, Cain vs Werdum

Hasn't Maynard and Edgar already fought 3 times?

Hey Stim_Abuser, thanks for the link! Basically a more sophisticated written Version of my comment

Before the fight:

On July 05 2013 21:43 FiSheYe wrote: Anyone knows how a KO win is defined in betting? Is a Ko and TKO in betting the same? So there is like Winning by decision/submission/tko or does it just say "won in time" and "won by decision" ? Sounds absurd but it just crossed my mind that nobody gives Weidman a non submission winning chance. I mean Chael couldn't win vs Anderson in 5rounds even tho he threw like 200 punches. But lets say Weidman gets the same positions and ground and pounds and actually does damage against Anderson, isn't that like +2000 or so? :D Might not be a bad bet to make if the odds are good, as I think there is a small chance that if Weidman wins, it could also be by ko/tko

Directly after the fight

On July 07 2013 11:05 FiSheYe wrote: Great fight by Weidman. I don't know why people make this a fluke win or a discussion about antics on one hand and getting lucky on the other. Weidman dominated Round 1 from the beginning but the leg lock attempt was a bit too much old school grappling (questionable move from dominant position) and let him lose a decent position, giving Anderson a comeback chance for the round. Silva became more and more dangerous at the end of the round and I felt Weidman getting in serious danger. All in all I would give that round 10/9 to Weidman, but it was getting close. In Round 5 Anderson seemed to be able to keep it standing and Weidman struggled to handle Anderson's style, if he would want to stand and trade, he would have to come up with something to fight back. Anderson was in his comfort zone and it looked as if Weidman was as mesmerized and might fall victim á la Okami/Forrest and many others. Somehow Weidman came up with this beautiful combination and very unpredictable strikes. Anderson is so used to a certain reaction by his opponents, but those punches were extremely unorthodox and Weidman caught him with a devestating one. If you look at the .gif, there is basically no way you would predict that kind of striking combination, it's weird and counterintuitive. I think Weidman has just better hands than most people give him credit for, his movement and technic is nowhere near a Anderson Silva's... But he is effective and is constantly improving and after Uriah Hall, Mark Munoz and now the ex Champion, one has to acknowledge that Weidman has a pretty decent stand up game.